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Hi Nick,
Are you qualified? Should I fly to Kiwi-land?
Short of that, what do you suggest?Kerwin, please feel free to speak for Nick on this one!
Because Nick seems to be purposefully avoiding my question._______________
God bless
Ed JEd,
Nick is speaking but you are not interpreting his words so I chose to serve as his translator.
Hi Kerwin,
Great! Then answer my question on Nick’s behalf
Ed,
I can sometimes translate what Nick says and if it is question to which I have heard is answer previously I can share what I have heard but I cannot say what I have not heard and even when I try my answer is subject to error. I actually wait for Nick to confirm my understanding or correct it.
Ed J,
He is staying just do what God says and do not ask questions. I do not agree in full as it sometimes needful to know the why.
Hi Kerwin,
You are doing a good job “serving as his translator”
My question, to him (OR to you) is, “what is acceptable?” .
He has not given an answer, but I have given him many choices.
I have asked him many times and many ways, BUT STILL NO-ANSWER ???You even know the question: WHAT IS “a valid immersion in water” ?
Can you please also “serve as my translator” and produce an answer ?_______________
God bless
Ed Jhi Ed,
If God commands we do things is that the time to try and work out why it is required?
What ???
Kerwin, want to have a go at this one?
Ed J,
(1)He is staying just do what God says and do not ask questions.
(2)I do not agree in full as it sometimes needful to know the why.Hi Kerwin,
1) Is that what that means?
2) Is it wrong for me to ask Nick what he considers acceptable?
…….(I ask you, because you are serving as his translator)Ed J,
I can speak only what I know or suspect is true.
I suspect that the person has to have obtained authority from God to immerse you in water.
I am more sure that you have to know the terms of the new covenant.
I am positive you must know Jesus is a human being that has not sinned even though tempted as is common to humanity and that he is now Lord of all things in heaven and on earth and serves a mediator between God and humanity.
I am positive you must know that Jesus chose to sacrifice himself for you and was resurrected in a physical body on the third day and ascended to heaven in that same body.
I am positive you must know Jesus speaks the word of God.
I am positive you must know God is all knowing, all righteous, does not lie, and other things.I am not a teacher and I am prone to mistakes so I may have forgotten something or have it wrong.
Nick disagrees with me on some of these things.
Ed,
Yes, that is what I believe his words mean.
You are free to ask question but always test your heart to see if it is with God or not.
Ed,
I am positive immersing anyone in water before they reach the age when they know in their what good and evil are is useless. The awareness of sins is necessary for repentance. I did not mention repentance in what is necessary but it is necessary.
Hi Nick,
You want to see my approach? OK …[b](Link to thread)[/b]
For those who believe water baptism is necessary for salvation,
what constitutes a valid water baptism?________________________Hi Everyone,
Nick has attempted to dodge (the essence of) this question for more than five times,
therefore this question is worthy to have a thread dedicated to getting answers._____________________
This in my approach,
do you like it?Hi Everyone,
Why the unwillingness to explain how something is to be done that is deemed to be necessary?
Nick is trying to be careful not to give any criteria, because then he cannot be wrong.
But the part he just doesn’t seem to get is, that neither can he be right either._____________________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Nick,What is the criteria for a valid water baptism?
In the next post I will show what Kerwin’s criteria is: Please put a “yes” next to each point
you consider necessary for a valid water baptism, and a “No” next to each point which is not; OK?Ed J,
I can speak only what I know or suspect is true.
(1)I suspect that the person has to have obtained authority from God to immerse you in water.
(2)I am more sure that you have to know the terms of the new covenant.
(3)I am positive you must know Jesus is a human being that has not sinned even though tempted as is common to humanity and (4)that he is now Lord of all things in heaven and on earth and serves a mediator between God and humanity.
(5)I am positive you must know that Jesus chose to sacrifice himself for you and was resurrected in a physical body on the third day and (6)ascended to heaven in that same body.
(7)I am positive you must know Jesus speaks the word of God.
(8)I am positive you must know God is all knowing, all righteous, does not lie, (9)and other things.I am not a teacher and I am prone to mistakes so I may have forgotten something or have it wrong.
Nick disagrees with me on some of these things.
Hi Nick,
Please put a “yes” next to each point you consider necessary for a valid water baptism,
and a “No” next to each point you consider not necessary for a valid water baptism; OK?1) “Yes” or “no” ?
2) “Yes” or “no” ?
3) “Yes” or “no” ?
4) “Yes” or “no” ?
5) “Yes” or “no” ?
6) “Yes” or “no” ?
7) “Yes” or “no” ?
8) “Yes” or “no” ?
9) Please do list them allOr you can simply explain what you consider to be the criteria for a valid water baptism.
Hi ed,
Why are you so confused?
Why not seek the answers in scripture?
Is it necessary to satisfy your need for intellectual boxes being ticked?
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