Is baptism needed for salvation?

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  • #801790
    Ed J
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    Do tell me which Church does a valid water baptism?
    Is any Church that says: “in Jesus name” acceptable? (<– please answer)

    It is the heart of the believer which is acceptable. How could you not know that?

    Hi Miia,

    Are you getting like Nick? …THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION in the least!

    Why don’t you write blogs,
    forums (like this one) are designed for the members to “communicate” “with each other”
    and that entails answering each others questions. I hope I have made myself clear!

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #801791
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    You may choose to regard the disciples of Jesus as deceived in the demonstration of their obedience to the commands of Jesus shown in Acts.

    That is if you prefer your own opinion of what they were told to do and their reaction to that command.

    Otherwise Acts speaks against you.

     

    Why would you think that unbelievers doing anything including baptisms would relate to the work of Christ?

    #801792
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Surely you know that the denominations of men have no relationship to the body of Christ?

    They are divided and Christ is not divided.

    #801793
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Those in the church of the world have no authority to do anything in the name of Jesus.

    #801794
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Those in the whore think baptism is a magic ceremony that saves even infants.

    We do not follow magic.

    #801797
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Heb 6 1f tells us about the various basic foundations of faith including washings.

    Are you not yet ready to move on to higher things?

    #801801
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Gal 3

    For all of you who were baptizED into Christ have clothED yourself with Christ

    Perhaps your name is mentioned in scripture more often than we realisED

    Hi Nick,

    Did you answer my question?

    #801803
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    First I gave you a list of Churches in my area and asked which one is acceptable, and you did not answer ?
    Next, I asked if they say “in Jesus’ name” would any church be acceptable, once again you did not answer ??

    “Church of Christ” believes “water baptism” is necessary for salvation, and
    I think the “Seventh Day Adventists” believe “water baptism” is necessary.
    If they say “in Jesus Name” – are either of these Churches acceptable?

    Please Nick, if you are not going to answer my questions,
    I see no point in discussing anything with you.
    …can you at least try to answer ???

    Hi ED,

    You may choose to regard the disciples of Jesus as deceived in the demonstration of their obedience to the commands of Jesus shown in Acts.

    That is if you prefer your own opinion of what they were told to do and their reaction to that command.

    Otherwise Acts speaks against you.

    Why would you think that unbelievers doing anything including baptisms would relate to the work of Christ?

    Hi Nick,

    That is not an answer, try again.

    Ed J

    #801804
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    It seems that ticking boxes is the only way you can grasp things.

    You seem deaf to hearing spiritual things.

    Why is this?

     

    #801805
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    God appoints folk to roles in the kingdom and all the saved are called to baptise.

    But those not in the kingdom waste their time washing others.

    #801806
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Why do keep offering denominations as suitable to work in the body of Christ?

    #801807
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed,

    I believe Nick is saying that none of the denominations you named have a valid immersion in water as they do not teach the whole uncorrupted truth of Jesus Christ.

    #801808
    kerwin
    Participant

    Miaa,

    It is the heart of the believer which is acceptable. How could you not know that?

    Yes, but there is only one teaching of Christ and only fools and those that lack the ability to comprehend it reject it.

    Good point from 1 Peter.

    #801813
    terraricca
    Participant

    miia

    So, according to some members of this board, water is only to clean us and drink and will by no means save us.
    Not according to the good Saint Peter, (1Peter3:21) “Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience”

    1Pe 3:8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
    1Pe 3:9 Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
    1Pe 3:10 For,
    “Whoever would love life
    and see good days
    must keep his tongue from evil
    and his lips from deceitful speech.
    1Pe 3:11 He must turn from evil and do good;
    he must seek peace and pursue it.
    1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous
    and his ears are attentive to their prayer,
    but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”
    1Pe 3:13 Who is going to harm you if you are eager to do good?
    1Pe 3:14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear what they fear ; do not be frightened.”
    1Pe 3:15 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
    1Pe 3:16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
    1Pe 3:17 It is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
    1Pe 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
    1Pe 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
    1Pe 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
    1Pe 3:21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
    1Pe 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

    the baptism of water seems more like a study and understanding of the things tough by Jesus so that our souls can be saved ,for the water baptism Peter speak of is the waters of the flood ,for we all know water baptism does not save anyone but this will ;1Pe 4:1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin.
    1Pe 4:2 As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

    #801815
    kerwin
    Participant

    terraricca,

    Water baptism does not save you but it is a step needful to gain the counselor. Those that seek to live by the counselor at all times will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Jesus commanded the Eleven and through them all they made student-adherents of the Christ.

    Matthew 28:19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    In obey his commission to them they obeyed by immersing both Jews and Gentiles in water in the name of Jesus.

    #801816
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    It seems that ticking boxes is the only way you can grasp things.

    You seem deaf to hearing spiritual things.

    Why is this?

    Hi Nick,

    Sorry, that’s not an answer

    #801817
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    God appoints folk to roles in the kingdom and all the saved are called to baptise.

    But those not in the kingdom waste their time washing others.

    Hi Nick,

    That’s not an answer either

    #801818
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Why do keep offering denominations as suitable to work in the body of Christ?

    Nope, still no answer

    #801819
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed,

    I believe Nick is saying that none of the denominations you named have a valid immersion in water as they do not teach the whole uncorrupted truth of Jesus Christ.

    Hi Kerwin,

    Are you Nick’s ventriloquist?
    Why don’t you let Nick tell me that;
    that is, *IF* that is what Nick believes.

    You at least seem to grasp what I’m asking Nick.
    If you can indeed speak for Nick, then answer for him.

    ________________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #801820
    Ed J
    Participant

    hi Ed,

    If God commands we do things is that the time to try and work out why it is required?

    What ???

    Kerwin, want to have a go at this one?

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