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Nick,
Jesus says that creations can be judged by their fruit but God judges who is saved and who is condemned.
Hi Ed,
There are commands to be obeyed.
But nothing can confine the Mercy of God.
Matt 25.31f is the mercy of God expressed towards those who HAVE NOT OBEYED the commands.
Nick
Hi ED,
We do not define for other what God expects of them.
But the scriptures for us specify the need to repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus.
yes but Paul as EDJ showed you in scriptures that Paul send to the gentiles did not baptised them but baptised Jews
“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say
that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas:
besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17: For Christ sent me not to baptize,
but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ
should be made of none effect.” (1 Corinthians 1:14-17)why did he baptised them only and no other ? and where they the only member in all of the churches that Paul supervised (visited)in his days
we now look at the baptism for the gentiles not for the Jews for that John the Baptist came ,I do understand that baptism is a public commitment to God
Terraricca,
Each sect was boasting because they were baptized by a particular individual and not all of them were baptized by Paul. None of them were boasting that they were not baptized. Their sin was sectarianism and boasting after the flesh. Paul was glad that few could use his actions as reason to sin.
The bottom line is that Jesus instructed his students to immerse all nations and teach them to obey everything he taught, which includes baptizing all nations.
He did not specify Jews but instead said “all nations”.
Hi Nick,
Is baptism not ‘a work’? And does the bible not say
we are not saved by works least any man should boast?_______________
God bless
Ed JHi ED,
Argue with God if you must.
The commands of God are righteous.
You must repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus
Hi Pierre,
And why did Paul say: “I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;”? (1 Cor 1:14)
I will put forth Shaool’s words in modern terms for you…
One will say: I’m a baptized Jehovah Witness.
And another will say I was baptized Pentecostal.
And another I’m baptized Baptist. Is Christ divided?
The eye cannot say to the hand ‘I have no need of you’ – or can they?_______________
God bless
Ed Jkw
The bottom line is that Jesus instructed his students to immerse all nations and teach them to obey everything he taught, which includes baptizing all nations.
so you baptised them first and then tell them what for they have been baptised into? so it would be also good to circumcise all men all nations it is a ritual so is water baptism ,a trap for the unbelievers
water baptism does not do anything for you if you do not follow ;JN 4:24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” and since water is not mention it is not needed ,just as it is not mention ;AC 15:19 “Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
AC 15:20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
AC 15:21 “For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
AC 15:22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas—Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,
AC 15:23 and they sent this letter by them,
“ The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.
AC 15:24 “Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,
AC 15:25 it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
AC 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
AC 15:27 “Therefore we have sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will also report the same things by word of mouth.
AC 15:28 “For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials:
AC 15:29 that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.”understand that I have nothing against baptism but let be careful for the reason you get baptised ;would you get baptised knowing the laws in North Korea ?
Hi Nick,
Can you explain the circumstances of your “water baptism” for me?
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God bless
Ed JEdj
I also see that like you say ,baptism as created what Paul was fighting against and wanted no part of it
If you want to argue against the bible then so be it. That’s your choice. Should we all listen to you people and not scripture? What will we then say?
Scripture says (Acts 10)
Gentiles Hear the Good News
34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. 36 As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all), 37 you yourselves know what happened throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John proclaimed: 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, 40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear, 41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. 43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. 45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Also, you use Paul in your defense.
Apparently Paul said“I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17: For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.” (1 Corinthians 1:14-17
Just because Paul himself did not baptize does not mean the commandment to be baptized is invalid. Not everyone has the job of baptizing. Paul was sent to preach the gospel.
Hi Nick,
(1)So if one is baptized as a Jehovah Witness, is that an acceptable “water baptism”?
Or (2) how about if one is baptized Mormon, is that an acceptable “water baptism”?
These are serious questions, and I expect you to answer respond to them as such.3. Roman Catholic?
4. Pentecostal?
5. Baptist?Please answer these five for me
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God bless
Ed JHi ED,
The water is not the issue.
It is explained in 1 peter 3 .
Repentance is the issue and folk do not know what this means.
Terrarica,
Why are you disagreeing with Jesus?
He is the one that tells his student-followers to immerse all nations not me. You know his words and you are tell him that immersing new follower-students does not mean anything.
Since he tells his people to do it there is a reason for it.
If you believe he knows what he is speaking of then you do it, just like the Eleven did.
Ed,
Your example is flawed as each of those that you mention teach a different doctrine and Scripture states if anyone teaches a different doctrine from which the Eleven preached let them forever be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
Hi ED,
They were cut to the heart and desperate for salvation.
False teachings have confused humanity and made folk complacent.
strangely enough Matthew 28;19 does not appear in the Hebrew version of Matthew gospel,and what is more strange is that the command is given to the apostles and yet they are the ones that mostly not doing the command ?
it is the circumcision of the heart and the baptism in the spirit that leads to everlasting life not the physical circumcision or water baptism that will give us those things
both the circumcision separate people and the baptism in water does also separate people and God does not create a division in the flesh but divide people from living in the flesh from those living by the spirit of truth, all those that live by the flesh will follow the division of water baptism but all those that live by the spirit of truth will be united by that same spirit ,it is impossible to do both for one create division and one create unity in truth,
look at all the religion today they all have their way of baptism by making disciples for their group and so are divided in the spirit of truth
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