Is baptism needed for salvation?

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  • #376045
    Wakeup
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2014,12:56)
    Hi WU.
    There are no others saved from the jewish tribes sadly.
    A remnant


    Nick.

    There will be a great army of jews of all generations
    Chosen,and saved.

    wakeup.

    #376046
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    Any scriptures?

    #376050
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2014,13:09)
    Hi WU,
    Any scriptures?


    Nick.

    Ez.37.

    wakeup.

    #376052
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    So EZ 37 speaks of 'very many' in a valley.
    No numbers specified

    #376059
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2014,13:30)
    Hi WU,
    So EZ 37 speaks of 'very many' in a valley.
    No numbers specified


    Nick.

    Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are
    ***the whole house of Israel***:
    behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

    Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people,
    ***I will open your graves***,
    and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

    wakeup.

    #376060
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    So what does the whole house of Israel mean?
    Does it include the house of Judah or Benjamin?

    #376062
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU
    40.Jeremiah 23:3
    “Then I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply.

    #376064
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 03 2014,14:02)
    Hi WU
    40.Jeremiah 23:3
    “Then I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply.


    Nick.

    Of all the tribes according to their hearts.
    For God knows their hearts.

    wakeup.

    #376103
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick and Wakeup….. The Jews are only 1/13 th of the tribes of Israel  There are billions of Israelite's around this world, and Nick the scriptures Wakeup posted do show the “WHOLE HOUSE OF ISRAEL” will experience a  PHYSICALLY RESURRECTION. That is the plain truth.

    I have read studies on The Lost Sheep of the house of Israel who the disciples were sent to preach the kingdom of God to, they were scattered through out Europe and became known as the Anglo Saxons , the word Saxon means Sons of ISAAC  , the nations with the words ISH as there ending are Israelite nations,  Like  English, Irish, Scottish, Danish, Norish, Spanish. There are books written that show,the very Queen of England now sit on the Throne of King David , which will  be overturned back to Israel when Jesus returns, The countries of United States, England and Canada, Australia, New Zeland, Portugal ,  France, are nearly all Israelite countries. The descendants of Abraham have indeed became as the sand of the sea. IMO

    peace and love to you both and yours………………………………gene

    #376107
    kerwin
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    Quote (Wakeup @ April 02 2014,11:11)

    Quote (kerwin @ April 02 2014,02:59)
    Wakeup,

    Quote
    Kerwin.

    It is not a new teaching,but it has been misunderstood for thousands of Years.
    One that is born again is spirit;not flesh.
    The resurrection is when Mother Zion gives birth to all her children at once.
    She is spirit; and all born of the spirit will be born spirit.

    All born of water is flesh.

    wakeup.

    I can see the argument that flesh birth is a water birth, even though amniotic fluid is not literally water.  Our culture has called it water though I do not know if the Jewish culture of the First Century did.  

    I do know they taught of a new spirit when getting immersed as that is one reason they immersed themselves in water.  John seemed to have a variation where he immersed those who pledged a clear conscious before God instead of them immersing themselves but the basic forms were the same as mentioned in the Law.  Getting a new spirit is rebirth in spirit.


    Kerwin.

    Tell me:
    When the apostles were baptised in water;
    did they receive the Holy Spirit?

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    Paul is the only apostle that is recorded as being immersed in water after the new covenant came into force and he clearly stated that when he was in immersed his old self was immersed into the death of Jesus and when he arose he arose to a new self.

    I also know Paul was concerned when he learned that certain disciple of John the Baptist had not received the Spirit when immersed and so he immersed them again.

    #376114
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    Read Acts 19 carefully.

    The rebaptism was IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST as they had only had John's baptism .
    Then they received the Spirit by the laying on of hands.

    Baptism in any other form than in the name of Jesus Christ cannot lead to salvation.

    #376123
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I understand what you are saying but it does not answer WU's question.

    As far as I know there were no immersions in the name of Jesus before the new covenant was established.

    WU desired to know if the apostles received the Spirit when they were immersed in water.

    #376127
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    The Spirit was not given till Jesus Christ returned to his Father
    hence pentecost

    #376128
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    There is no recorded baptism in the Spirit occurring at water baptism except with Jesus Christ.

    #376129
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,
    The baptism Jesus received was John's.

    #376130
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Acts 4.12
    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    #376135
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2014,05:27)
    Hi,
    Acts 4.12
    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


    Nick.

    Do you believe that one is born again; at the day he has accepted Christ at water baptism?
    Or after he has lived in Christ during his years in Christ?

    wakeup.

    #376137
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    No baptism in water is the sign God requires of repentance[1peter 3]
    The vessel must be filled .

    #376140
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 04 2014,07:26)
    Hi WU,
    No baptism in water is the sign God requires of repentance[1peter 3]
    The vessel must be filled .


    Nick.

    Is it a yes or a no?

    wakeup.

    #376141
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WU,
    When we receive the Spirit of life we dwell in the heavenlies with Christ Jesus

    col3
    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    We rise with the Spirit

    Rom6
    Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

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