Is baptism needed for salvation?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Peter ensured the demands of God were met.
Would you have thought he was not obeying God?

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
The new covenant is in the blood of Jesus.
That blood was given and the covenant established in his death, not before.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,01:27)

Hi T, Peter ensured the demands of God were met. Would you have thought he was not obeying God?

Nick

that is you deduction

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,01:31)

Hi T, The new covenant is in the blood of Jesus. That blood was given and the covenant established in his death, not before.

Nick

what about the last super

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
At the last supper Jesus Christ showed in the breaking of the bread the breaking of his body and in the partaking symbolised the unity with him and one another, alive in him

[terraricca]

hi Nick

Mk 14:22 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take it; this is my body.”
Mk 14:23 Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it.
Mk 14:24 “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many,” he said to them.
Mk 14:25 “I tell you the truth, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.”

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
yes the thief had died before this proclamation too.

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,05:33)

Hi T, yes the thief had died before this proclamation too.

hi Nick

Jn 19:32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
Jn 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
Jn 19:34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

do you know why they broke the legs of the two thief's and not Christ

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
It was prophesied.

[terraricca]

nick

I was talking about the two thief's

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Is it appropriate to try to find exceptions to grasp instead of obeying the command of Jesus to be reborn of water and the Spirit?
Dan 7

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,08:18)

Hi T, Is it appropriate to try to find exceptions to grasp instead of obeying the command of Jesus to be reborn of water and the Spirit? Dan 7

Nick

I don,t have to lie about it ,

The two thief,s die after Christ not before as you said ,

And you did answered my questions but keep ignoring them why

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You are right there.
But they died under the old covenant.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,00:33)

IT IS YOUR DEDUCTION THAT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ' AND YET THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTIZE IN WATER ,CORNELIUS RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHOUT THE WATER BAPTISM ,AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENTILES IN ACT 15 DOES NOT MENTION THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT , BUT A CHANGE IN HEART IS REQUIRED ,THE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS REQUIRED ,TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS REQUIRED,THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IS REQUIRED, THE WORSHIP OF GOD IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT IS REQUIRED ; ALL THOSE ARE WELL CLEARLY EXPRESSED AND ARE ALL RELATED TO GOOD WORKS , WATER BAPTISM SEEMS TO BE FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST  AND FOR THE JEWS ,THE ONES THAT ARE INVITED INTO THE 144K CLASS

T,

Have you not read that King Saul received the Spirit?

1 Samuel 10:6
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

6 Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

Which covenant do you believe he was under?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,09:33)

Hi T, You are right there. But they died under the old covenant.

hi Nick

this is another of your deductions

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2014,10:10)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 03 2014,00:33) IT IS YOUR DEDUCTION THAT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ' AND YET THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTIZE IN WATER ,CORNELIUS RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHOUT THE WATER BAPTISM ,AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENTILES IN ACT 15 DOES NOT MENTION THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT , BUT A CHANGE IN HEART IS REQUIRED ,THE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS REQUIRED ,TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS REQUIRED,THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IS REQUIRED, THE WORSHIP OF GOD IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT IS REQUIRED ; ALL THOSE ARE WELL CLEARLY EXPRESSED AND ARE ALL RELATED TO GOOD WORKS , WATER BAPTISM SEEMS TO BE FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST  AND FOR THE JEWS ,THE ONES THAT ARE INVITED INTO THE 144K CLASS T, Have you not read that King Saul received the Spirit? 1 Samuel 10:6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 6 Then the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. Which covenant do you believe he was under?

K

and we know how he changed to his old self later right

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
You have a position to defend.
Truth will take a back seat

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 03 2014,22:48)

Hi T, You have a position to defend. Truth will take a back seat

Nick

are you expecting that I would accept all your quotes as bible truth

you are not Jesus ,you have yet to perform miracles

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Do we have to become our Lord before we can be listened to?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2014,02:52)

Hi T, Do we have to become our Lord before we can be listened to?

Nick

even the devil changes himself in a angel of light ,

yes scriptures remain the only thing that is truthful

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