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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 08 2014,23:31) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2014,22:41) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2014,03:26) Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”PAY ATTENTION THAT IN THIS VERSES JOHN SAYS THAT IT IS CHRIST THAT WILL BAPTIZE NO ONE ELSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,
ONLY THE BAPTISM OF WATER IS DONE TO OTHER BY OTHERS ,
T,The baptism of water is the time you make a pledge of a clear conscious to God. When you are immersed in the name of Jesus, which is to say with his authority, then you receive the Spirit as a teacher of righteousness. John did not immerse anyone in the name of Jesus though he immersed many by the authority of Jehovah.
KREAD THE SCRIPTURE, your answer does not addressed my question
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”PAY ATTENTION THAT IN THIS VERSES JOHN SAYS THAT IT IS CHRIST THAT WILL BAPTIZE NO ONE ELSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ,was it not so
T,I did answer your point but you do not understand. I will try to clarify my words.
John did not immerse people in Jesus name and so they were not immersed in the Holy Spirit. It is only by Jesus' authority that the person immersed can receive the Spirit as a teacher and Jesus did not receive that authority until after he was resurrected from the dead. It was at that time that he was made Lord of all things in heaven and on earth. That is why Acts speaks of being immersed in Jesus' name.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,08:47) K It is Jesus that baptized those he chooses ,many are called but few are chosen ,
T,John 14:26
New International Version (NIV)26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 14:14-17
New International Version (NIV)14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you.
Footnotes:John 14:17 Some early manuscripts and is
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,10:31) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,08:47) K It is Jesus that baptized those he chooses ,many are called but few are chosen ,
T,John 14:26
New International Version (NIV)26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 14:14-17
New International Version (NIV)14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[a] in you.
Footnotes:John 14:17 Some early manuscripts and is
kyour scriptures do not annul what John says ;
Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
T,
I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,21:02) T, I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
kthose were all Jews
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,23:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,21:02) T, I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
kthose were all Jews
T,Yes, but there is not a separate gospel for the Jews, it is the same as for the gentiles.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2014,07:14) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,23:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,21:02) T, I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
kthose were all Jews
T,Yes, but there is not a separate gospel for the Jews, it is the same as for the gentiles.
knot until 3.5 years later
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2014,07:14) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,23:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,21:02) T, I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
kthose were all Jews
T,Yes, but there is not a separate gospel for the Jews, it is the same as for the gentiles.
knot until 3.5 years later
T,So according to those you choose to believe Scripture declares there was a separate message of salvation between that day of Pentecost and 3.5 years later. Have you tested the spirit of that teaching? If so will you show me that test that I might see where those who teach that teaching from?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2014,21:46) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2014,07:14) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,23:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,21:02) T, I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
kthose were all Jews
T,Yes, but there is not a separate gospel for the Jews, it is the same as for the gentiles.
knot until 3.5 years later
T,So according to those you choose to believe Scripture declares there was a separate message of salvation between that day of Pentecost and 3.5 years later. Have you tested the spirit of that teaching? If so will you show me that test that I might see where those who teach that teaching from?
kbetween the Pentecost and this event;; Ac 10:33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
Ac 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Ac 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.
Ac 10:36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.about 3.5 years
Hi,
Was it necessary for the jews to be circumcised?Baptism for us is the new circumcision.
coll 2.11+Men have other opinions.
hi
Ro 2:29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation.
Eph 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (that done in the body by the hands of men)—
Phil 3:3 For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—men opinion does not count
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2014,09:49) Hi,
Was it necessary for the jews to be circumcised?Baptism for us is the new circumcision.
coll 2.11+Men have other opinions.
Nickhassan.1.Circumcision of the flesh is the covenant
between God and Abraham,and his children.
2.Circumcision of the hearth is the covenant between
Jesus and his followers. That is: Do not touch the unclean
thing. Stay spiritually clean.Be ye Holy, for God is Holy.
3.Jesus has upgraded the law. It is in our hearts.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Can you expound for us col 2.11-13 and Rom 6.3-11.
ThanksO and why did the apostles baptise believers in water in ACTs?
Were they confused or has God changed His mind?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 02 2014,11:37) Hi Wakeup,
Can you expound for us col 2.11-13 and Rom 6.3-11.
ThanksO and why did the apostles baptise believers in water in ACTs?
Were they confused or has God changed His mind?
Nickhassan.If we are baptised in Christ,we also are dead in the flesh.Meaning that we dont go after the lust of the flesh
anymore. We have come out of Babylon.We are still *IN* babylon;but not *OF* babylon.
Christ's Spirit has replaced the spirit of lust of the flesh.
The spirit of Christ is the spirit of God fearing,and of righteousness.The spirit of the world is the spirit of greed
power and lust.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2014,05:45) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2014,21:46) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2014,08:43) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 10 2014,07:14) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2014,23:23) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2014,21:02) T, I had no intention of using 1 scripture to annul another. I just pointed out that the spirit, as a teacher, is sent is the name of Jesus and the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus as well. That is one way the baptism they employed during the conversion of believers differs from the baptism of John.
Peter is preaching the gospel when he states:
Acts 2:38
New International Version (NIV)38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
I am not foolish enough to tell him that you do not have to 'repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and so you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'.
Note I am using '' to enclose a paraphrase of a quote.
kthose were all Jews
T,Yes, but there is not a separate gospel for the Jews, it is the same as for the gentiles.
knot until 3.5 years later
T,So according to those you choose to believe Scripture declares there was a separate message of salvation between that day of Pentecost and 3.5 years later. Have you tested the spirit of that teaching? If so will you show me that test that I might see where those who teach that teaching from?
kbetween the Pentecost and this event;; Ac 10:33 So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
Ac 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Ac 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.
Ac 10:36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.about 3.5 years
T,I do not hear of a new gospel being preached but only that gospel was from then on preached to the gentiles as well as the Jews.
Hi Wakeup,
Yes we die in water baptism and are given a new Spirit of life in Christ Jesus by Spirit baptism.IT IS YOUR DEDUCTION THAT SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT '
AND YET THE THIEF WAS NOT BAPTIZE IN WATER ,CORNELIUS RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHOUT THE WATER BAPTISM ,AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE GENTILES IN ACT 15 DOES NOT MENTION THAT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT ,
BUT A CHANGE IN HEART IS REQUIRED ,THE RIGHTEOUSNESS IS REQUIRED ,TO FOLLOW THE TRUTH IS REQUIRED,THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IS REQUIRED, THE WORSHIP OF GOD IN TRUTH AND SPIRIT IS REQUIRED ;
ALL THOSE ARE WELL CLEARLY EXPRESSED AND ARE ALL RELATED TO GOOD WORKS ,
WATER BAPTISM SEEMS TO BE FROM JOHN THE BAPTIST AND FOR THE JEWS ,THE ONES THAT ARE INVITED INTO THE 144K CLASS
Hi T,
The thief died before the death of Jesus-under the OT.
Cornelius was water baptised.The recommendations to the gentiles was after they had been joined to Christ.
But most will not accept God's plan
Nick
Quote The thief died before the death of Jesus-under the OT.
Cornelius was water baptised.you should read the story again the thief died after Christ –
and Cornelius was baptized through the man Peter request ; but the holy spirit was given through God son .
Quote But most will not accept God's plan most will add to the plan of God for their own purpose
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