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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2009,20:38) Hi tt,
Not so.The outpouring on ALL flesh as described in Joel 2 is yet to be seen.
Have you yet to recieve this wonderful downpayment on salvation?
Perhaps you will not do so if you deny the promised blessing
Nick,
Peter contradicts you. he said,Quote This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit upon ALL FLESH”
You say it's yet to be seen. But Peter said of Pentecost,
Quote This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. Nick said,
Quote Have you yet to recieve this wonderful downpayment on salvation? The “down payment” of the promise is only partial payment. The first Christians received the “down payment.” But we have received the promise IN FULL.
thinker
The outpouring of the Spirit was not a “one time, one day event. We see the blessing continuing throughout the book of Acts and it continues
today for those with Biblical faith that adhere to the promise of god to
all flesh.”Only by the power of the Spirit can one put to death the deeds of the flesh.
Rom.8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
Only a Spirit controlled life can live for Jesus –
Rom. 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
Without the Spirit of Christ one does not belong to Christ.
if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
Rom. 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
A Spirit-less mind is a sinful mind that cannot please God. The Spirit controlled mind is life and peace.
Rom.8:6-7 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God.
Blessings in your walk with the Lord,
Seeking
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 21 2009,03:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2009,20:38) Hi tt,
Not so.The outpouring on ALL flesh as described in Joel 2 is yet to be seen.
Have you yet to recieve this wonderful downpayment on salvation?
Perhaps you will not do so if you deny the promised blessing
Nick,
Peter contradicts you. he said,Quote This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my Spirit upon ALL FLESH”
You say it's yet to be seen. But Peter said of Pentecost,
Quote This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel. Nick said,
Quote Have you yet to recieve this wonderful downpayment on salvation? The “down payment” of the promise is only partial payment. The first Christians received the “down payment.” But we have received the promise IN FULL.
thinker
Hi TT,
Peter did not say that this was the full expression of what was shown in Jl 2 and any cursory glance at those verses will show this.If you have received the promise in full then your life will be replete with wisdom and power. Is it?. Are you doing even greater works than Jesus?
Or are you yet even stumbling for understanding of the meaning of the kingdom?
Hi S,
Yes it is impossible to do anything useful outside of the vine and the fruit can only come as an expression of the Spirit within us.[gal5]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2009,12:04) Hi S,
Yes it is impossible to do anything useful outside of the vine and the fruit can only come as an expression of the Spirit within us.[gal5]
Nick,Did I say something to indicate contrary to your post?
Are not all born again, Spirit filled, Spirit led believers
in Christ connected to the vine?Do not the passages I cited from Romans stem from the Spirit
within?Again, help me understand the point to your response.
Is it to clarify, contradict, expand, what?Blessings,
Seeking
Hi S,
Remember the judgement of the sons of God in Mt 25 and the return of the Spirit investment God demands of them. Rebirth into Christ[gal3] is only rebirth and some branches do not prove useful.Gal4
19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2009,14:30) Hi S,
Remember the judgement of the sons of God in Mt 25 and the return of the Spirit investment God demands of them. Rebirth into Christ[gal3] is only rebirth and some branches do not prove useful.Gal4
19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Nick,Ok! So now we have moved from salvation, grafting in, regeneration or walking in the Spirit until Christ be formed in you to the possibility of being cut off because of unfruitfulness, right? Am I with you?
We could now spring into comparing Calvanistic vs. Armenian approaches. I thougth this discussion was regarding the ramifications of Baptism as it plays a role in ones response to the gospel.
I think I am caught up now.
Blessings,
Seeking
Nick said:
Quote Peter did not say that this was the full expression of what was shown in Jl 2 and any cursory glance at those verses will show this.
Neither did Peter say that fulfillment was in their future as you suggested with your idea that the word of the Lord is yet come from Jerusalem. The word of the Lord came from Jerusalem until the time of the full end of the age in AD70.Jerusalem will never again be the central location. Jesus promised (John 4).
thinker
Hi tt,
Jn4 says that people will not pray to God in any particular place.
That has nothing to do with King Jesus as he is not our God.
He will rule from Jerusalem on the seat of DavidQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2009,11:12) Hi tt,
Jn4 says that people will not pray to God in any particular place.
That has nothing to do with King Jesus as he is not our God.
He will rule from Jerusalem on the seat of David
Nick,
You're right. Jerusalem has ceased to be the place of worship. This is how we know that the last days have passed. For in the last days Jerusalem was still the center of worship.thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 25 2009,06:10) Hi tt,
We are the new temple.
Jesus rules the world from Jerusalem in the millenium[ps2]
Then we're not in the last says. You can't have it both ways.thinker
Hi tt,
We are not in the millenium but are in the new covenant of the blood of Jesus.
The Spirit of Jesus joined the shepherd to his flock at Pentecost.
All must repent and be baptised in the name of JesusNick,
Do you believe that Jesus was “born again” when the Spirit came on him upon water baptism?
Thanks,
MandyI'm going to re-read this thread, it looks like there is some good stuff here.
Nick, I'll probably find a summary of your beliefs here, so no need to answer my question.
Thanks,
MandyHi not 3,
All in the family of God are of God's Spirit.
We are united in that Spirit with Jesus who is united in that Spirit with our God.to all………being emerge into the death of Christ has (NOTHING) to do with water at all. It is the baptism of the (Spirit and fire) the baptism of Christ that counts and cleanses us by the washing of the WORD, not washing away of the dirt by water. We are united with GOD directly by HIS (GOD”S) Spirit, the same spirit that Jesus has in him. IMO
peace and love…………………..gene
G,
The Spirit does not wash by the Word.
The Word washes to cleanse so that the precious Spirit can take residence.Nick……….. Interesting now where in scripture does it say that. Now if you believed Jesus, and understood that he said the WORDS (ARE) SPIRIT and LIFE, you wouldn't say that. He also said, “you are now clean (BECAUSE) of the (WORDS) i have spoken unto you”. And again “being washed by the washing of the word”. The words of GOD are the expressions of His Spirit (INTELLECT). Should we believe your speculations or what Jesus said?. IMO
peace and love…………………………gene
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