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LU……Yes the “Spirit” . Of the anointing, ie the Christo’s, , which is the Spirit of GOD .
“one God ‘IN” all and “Through” all.” “Know you not that you body “Is” the temple of God”, remember?, when God the Father said through the mouth of Jesus/. “Destroy this temple and in three days “I” SHALL RAISE IT UP, that was God the Father speaking “through”. the mouth of the “man” Jesus. The spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, that dwelt “in” him.
“now if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell “in” you , he that raised Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his (God’s) Spirit that dwells “in” you.
Same one God, same process, clear as a Crystal to me>
peace and love to you LU AND YOURS…….gene
Hi Gene,
LU……Yes the “Spirit” . Of the anointing, ie the Christo’s, , which is the Spirit of GOD .
You: “one God ‘IN” all and “Through” all.”
It’s the same story, Gene,
YOU ALWAYS PRODUCE YOUR OWN VERSION WITHOUT A HINT OF WHICH SCRIPTURE YOU ARE QUOTING. BY WHICH TASK, YOU MISGUIDE WHOEVER IS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE SCRIPTURE,
NOW READ THE COMPLETE AND PROPER SCRIPTURE FROM WHICH YOU ONLY JUST PRODUCED THE ABOVE SEVEN WORDS, SIMPLY TO MISGUIDE READERS.
Ephesians 4:1
1I therefore, a prisoner in the Lord,
Gene, IN THE ABOVE INTRODUCTION, PAUL, BY THE TITLE LORD, DEFINITELY ADDRESSED JESUS CHRIST.
NOT ONLY THAT BUT THE WHOLE CHAPTER IS TOTALLY
CHRIST-CENTERED! KEEP ON READING PLEASE:
…beseech you that you walk worthy of the vocation in which you are called, 2With all humility and mildness, with patience, supporting one another in charity.
3Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
AGAIN Gene, the phrase: “THE UNITY OF THE SPIRIT” IS A REFERENCE TO
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST!
4 One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling.
AGAIN Gene: ONE BODY AND ONE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, ATTENTION Gene, PLEASE HERE IT COMES:
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
ALL THE ABOVE Gene, IS A CLEAR REFERENCE TO CHRIST
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.
ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, ……
JESUS CHRIST! OK Gene, NOT GOD THE FATHER.
GOD, THE FATHER IS NOT THE FATHER OF ALL,
GOD, THE FATHER IS ONLY THE FATHER OF SPIRITS.
YOU YOURSELF ALL THE TIME SHOUT IN THESE FORUMS THAT
GOD IS A SPIRIT!
BY WHICH YOU SIMPLY CONFIRM THAT
GOD IS NOT OF FLESH,
THUS GOD IS NOT GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, BUT HE IS ONLY
GOD AND FATHER OF ALL SPIRITS!
THERE’S ONLY ONE WHO IS GOD AND FATHER OF ALL
BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
AND THAT IS
OUR LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST!
THE ONLY TRUE GOD ON EARTH!
READ PLEASE JESUS’OWN WORDS:
John17:10 And all my things are thine,
JESUS IN THE ABOVE CLEARLY ASSERTS THAT
ALL HIS THINGS, HUMAN THINGS, Gene, HE IS AFTER ALL
THE SON OF MAN NO?
THUS ALL HIS THINGS, I REPEAT HUMAN THINGS,
BELONG TO GOD!
IT WOULD BE QUITE INTERESTING Gene, FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN FOR US YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE, A CARNAL-MINDED PERSON, HOW ALL OF A SUDDEN
GOD POSSESSES HUMAN THINGS, TO BE CLEAR:
HOW GOD POSSESSES JESUS’ GENERAL HUMAN ATTRIBUTES, TELL US Gene, PLEASE LET US HEAR YOUR
SPIRITUAL REASONING AND UNDERSTANDING.
NO Gene YOU WON’T EVEN IF YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT IT DESTROYS ALL YOUR PREACHING. I TELL YOU, HERE IT IS, READ THE SCRIPTURES HEREUNDER:
John13:31When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said:
Now is the Son of man glorified,
Gene the above is the first declaration by Jesus Himself, A UNIQUE HUMAN BEING, REGARDING HIS GLORIFICATION, WHO SPIRITUALIZED HIMSELF WHILE LIVING ON EARTH, Luke 13:32
Notice Gene, BOTH JOHN AND LUKE, WHEN TALKING ABOUT JESUS’SPIRITUALIZING PROCESS OF HIS BODY, USED THE SAME NUMBERS IN BOTH OF THE CHAPTER AND THE VERSES. 13:32.
IN LUKE 13:32 JESUS CONFIRMED THAT HE ACCOMPLISHED IT BEFORE HIS PASSION WHILE DOING HIS SPIRITUAL WORK, WHILE IN JOHN 13:32 HE CONFIRMED THAT HE MATERIALIZED IT ON HIS DEATH.
Gene as you well say, JESUS, THE SON OF MAN, IS THE HUMAN NATURE OF JESUS, BUT HE IS ALSO,
THE TRUE BREAD, SPIRITUAL, WHO CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, AND
GLORIFIED!
HOW MAY I ASK? NO, YOU DON’T ANSWER! YOU, LIKE JODI, KEEP SILENT IN THIS REGARD! KEEP ON READING AND YOU WILL KNOW!
and God is glorified in him.
OK Gene, GOD THIS TIME ACCORDING TO JESUS, WHO IS SPIRIT,
ALSO GLORIFIED HIMSELF PRECISELY, HERE IT COMES Gene AGAIN:
IN THE SON OF MAN!
DO YOU GET THAT Gene,
I TELL YOU, READ THE PURE TRUTH:
GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT, GLORIFIED HIMSELF IN JESUS, AND OWNS THE HUMAN ATTRIBUTES, OR MORE PRECISE:JESUS’ HUMAN ATTRIBUTES!
KEEP ON READING PLEASE:
32 If God be glorified in him,
ATTENTION Gene AGAIN, THIS TIME THOUGH I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU STRAIGHT:
IF GOD GLORIFIED IN THE SON OF MAN AND BECAME
HUMAN.
God also will glorify him in himself;
GOD ALSO GLORIFIED JESUS, THE SON OF MAN IN HIMSELF, AND BECAME
GOD!
and immediately will he glorify him.
DID YOU GET THAT, MR. Gene?
NO, YOU WON’T, A CARNAL-MINDED PERSON LIKE YOU, WITH EVERY RESPECT! HERE IT COMES:
AND IMMEDIATELY GOD, GLORIFIED THE SON OF MAN,
IMMEDIATELY ON HIS DEATH, AND BECAME
GODMAN!
HOW?
THE HOLY GHOST, JESUS THE SON OF GOD, Jesus’ divine nature, and
“THE WORD” made flesh, JESUS THE SON OF MAN, Jesus’ human nature
IMMEDIATELY ON JESUS’ DEATH
INTEGRATED INTO ONE SUBSTANCE BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH
THEY ARE NOT TWO ANYMORE BUT
TWO IN ONE FLESH
SPIRITUAL IN GOD, in the Holy Ghost, JESUS THE SON OF GOD, and
FLESH IN “THE WORD” made flesh, JESUS THE SON OF MAN.
ALL SPIRITUAL IN
JESUS CHRIST!
Gene, WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT IT’S YOUR PIGEON BUT
JESUS IS THE ONLY GOD AND FATHER OF ALL.
AS FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO GOD’S OWN WORK, IT IS HIS SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE TO ALL OF HIS WORK EVEN WHEN IT IS FLESH!
NOW READ:
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.
OK, Gene, I REPEAT: JESUS IS ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL.
TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHEN JESUS GIVES ALL TO THE FATHER. IN ORDER FOR GOD TO BE
ALL IN ALL IN
JESUS CHRIST!
Now, this is confirmed in John 17:10 above, so let’s read AGAIN that verse.
And all my things are thine,
and thine are mine;
and I am glorified in them.
ONLY JESUS CHRIST IS GLORIFIED WITH A UNIQUE SPIRITUAL BODY, “JERUSALEM”, IN BOTH
THE DIVINE AND HUMAN ATTRIBUTES.
NOW TO CONCLUDE I LEAVE YOU MORE TO READ REGARDING GOD’S CHARITY IN THE CONCEPT OF
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST IN EPHESIANS 4
7But to every one of us is given grace,
according to the measure of the giving of Christ.
8Wherefore he saith: Ascending on high, he led captivity captive;
he gave gifts to men.
9Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10He that descended is the same also that ascended above all the heavens,
that he might fill all things.
11And he gave some apostles, and some prophets, and other some evangelists, and other some pastors and doctors, 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Until we all meet into the unity of faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,
unto a perfect man,
unto the measure of the age of the fulness of Christ;
ANSWER Gene, WHERE IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE THERE A CLEAR REFERENCE TO THE FATHER?
UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE PURE FACT WHICH JESUS HIMSELF DECLARED IN
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
You: “Know you not that your body “Is” the temple of God”, remember?, when God the Father said through the mouth of Jesus/. “Destroy this temple and in three days “I” SHALL RAISE IT UP, that was God the Father speaking “through”. the mouth of the “man” Jesus. The spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, that dwelt “in” him.
“now if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell “in” you , he that raised Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his (God’s) Spirit that dwells “in” you.
Same one God, same process, clear as a Crystal to me>
More to come regarding the above in the next post.
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Hi Gene,
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN TO BE HONEST AND PRODUCE
GENUINE SCRIPTURE
NOT YOUR CORRUPTED VERSION: READ:
1 Corinthians 3:16 Know you not,
that you are the temple of God,
and that THE SPIRIT OF GOD dwelleth in you?
Gene, YOU ARE A STAGNATED CORRUPTED CARNAL-MINDED PERSON, WITH EVERY RESPECT:
In the above Paul said:
YOU ARE THE TEMPLE OF GOD!
NOT AS YOU, A PURE DUPE, POSTED!
PAUL DID NOT REFER TO THE BODY, MORTAL AND SATANIC,
BUT TO THE SOUL, WHICH IS GOD’S.
Now read hereunder and accept the truth!
1 Corinthians 6:19 Or know you not,
that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost,
NOW TELL ME:
WHAT ARE YOUR MEMBERS!
SPIRITUAL OR PHYSICAL!
EXPLAIN PLEASE:
who is in you, whom you have from God; and you are not your own ? 20For you are bought with a great price. Glorify and bear
God in your body.
DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE ABOVE?
I MAKE IT CLEAR TO YOU:
GOD IN THE HOLY GHOST MENTIONED ABOVE, IS WITHIN YOUR BODY, BUT NOT DIRECTLY ATTACHED, SINCE OUR FLESH AND BLOOD BODY IS MORTAL AND SATANIC, WHILE GOD IS HOLY AND ETERNAL!
BUT THE HOLY GHOST IS WITHIN US THROUGH “THE WORD” JESUS,
THE SON OF MAN!
THE ONLY SPIRIT/MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND HIS CREATURES ATTACHED DIRECTLY TO OUR FLESH AND BLOOD BODY,WELL ASSERTED IN
HEBREWS 4:12:For the word of God is living and effectual,
and more piercing than any TWO-EDGED SWORD;
ATTENTION Gene,
and reaching unto the division of the SOUL and the SPIRIT,
GOT IT Gene,
“THE WORD” JESUS’SPIRIT, MADE FLESH, THE SON OF MAN, AS A SPIRIT IS
BETWEEN THE SPIRIT AND THE SOUL! FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, ALLIN/BY HIM.
THAT MEANS Gene, THAT IF SATAN BY ANY CHANCE THROUGH YOUR CORRUPTED TASK OCCUPY YOUR SOUL,
BETWEEN YOUR SOUL AND SATAN THERE’S
“THE WORD” JESUS, THE SON OF MAN,
WITHIN YOUR HEART OF STONE IM’ AFRAID, TO BE CLEAR, BOTH
WITHIN SATAN’S HEART OF STONE, and
WITHIN YOUR HEART OF STONE!
more piercing than any two-edged sword,
IN FULL CONTROL OF THE ENTIRE SITUATION, SERVING GOD, THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST!
NOW HERE COMES SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CHEW AND GET IT DOWN INTO YOUR GUTS.
THE PERFECT PROCESS OF THE TRIUNE GOD!
THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST!
WITHIN US, BUT IN”THE WORD” JESUS’ SPIRIT, ALL IN/BY HIM.
HERE COMES THE NEXT:
of the joints also and the marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents
of the heart.
OK, Gene, IT IS VERY SIMPLE FOR YOU NOW,
SO OUR FLESH AND BLOOD BODY IS NEVER
THE TEMPLE OF GOD AS YOU FALSELY PREACH, FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT
“THE WORD” JESUS’ SPIRIT, ETERNALLY FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, ALL IN/BY HIM, IS TOTALLY
ENGRAFTED ATTACHED ONE SUBSTANCE, WITH OUR HEART, WHICH IS OF FLESH AND BLOOD, AGAIN IN ORDER FOR JESUS, SERVING GOD THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST, TO BE IN FULL CONTROL ALSO PHYSICALLY IN THIS SATANIC MORTAL FLESH!
NOW READ THE SCRIPTURE HEREUNDER Gene,
James 1:21 Wherefore casting away all uncleanness, and abundance of naughtiness,
with meekness receive the ENGRAFTED WORD,
which is able to save your souls.
MORE TO COME:
Peace and love in Jesus Christ
Carmel, I have quoted from scriptures directly and even listed the book and chapters , but you accuse me of not quoting them, which makes you simply a liar, then you proceed to alter our text to meet your twisted ideological views. The scriptures speak for themselves, and you false interpretations of them only show how screwed up you really are, your long drawn out explanations simply prove your ignorance to the truth of God.
jesus told all of us He was gong to “his God and our God, His Father and our Father” but accordingly to you he was going to himself where he was his own Father. Well did Jesus tell us this , not me, that ” many would come in his name saying he was the Christ and DECEIVE “MANY”, you are one of them CARMEL, I realize you are completely ignorant of that , so my only advice to you is to repent, while you can. You have let your own mind completely screw you up CARMEL, IMO.
peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene
Gene,
John 20:18
The Jews then said to Him, “What sign do You show us as your authority for doing these things?” 19Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” 21But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
Gene, Jesus said that he himself would raise it up. There were two “raisings,” one by the Father through the power of His Holy Spirit which united his spirit with his body and came out of the tomb and a second when Jesus ascended into heaven on the third day. The second one is the one Jesus did when he ascended to the Father, as I understand it.
John 20:16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”). 17“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’”
Gene,
You said:
LU……Yes the “Spirit” . Of the anointing, ie the Christo’s, , which is the Spirit of GOD .
Well, it is the Spirit of the God who inherits the nations (Christ), for sure. And to say that the Spirit of Christ should be understood as the spirit of the anointing is incorrect. That would be a different Greek word. Proof:
1 Peter 1:
10As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made searches and inquiries, 11seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ (Christou Strong’s #5547) within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
You cannot change that to the spirit of the anointing, that is altering “our text to meet your twisted ideological views.” To use your own words to Carmel, btw. You are guilty of this in this instance and many other instances that I have pointed out to you over the years.
In other words:
The Spirit of Christ (Christou: Strong’s #5547)
is NOT equivalent to
The spirit of anointing.(chrisma-Strong’s #5545)
1 John 2:And as for you, the anointing (chrisma Strong’s #5545) you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
Take some Greek lessons Gene, you often slip up in your attempted use of the Greek language. It would help you. There are online classes, btw.
So, now that you know about the Greek words for Christ and anointing, this still stands:
Hi Gene,
I believe that it was the Spirit of Christ speaking through the prophet who wrote the words down, which shows the existence of Christ in the OT.
Hi LU
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
An ascension is not a resurrection.
A resurrection is to pass from death to life.
An ascension is to rise from the bottom up.So for the resurrection of Christ, the Father ordered the Son to come back to life.
The Son obeyed and by his own divinity resurrected/raised his body.
That’s what Jesus foretoldDestroy this temple, and in three days
I will raise it up.”
This is what I understand and believe to be true.
DO NOT FORGET,
HE IS THE RESURRECTION
AND LIFE.AND ALSO
in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.(Col.2:9)
Hi Berean,
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
The phrase “I will raise” is written in the active voice as opposed to the passive voice. The active voice in Greek means that the subject does the action. Jesus will raise His body up Himself.
On the third day, this is the only part of the complete resurrection that was written as Jesus doing the action when Jesus said “‘I am ascending to my Father….” in John 20:17. All other references to Jesus coming back to life are written in a passive voice which shows that the action was done to Him and not Jesus doing the action Himself.
Therefore, when Jesus said that in three days he will raise up his body in an active sense, (i.e. Jesus doing the action as opposed to the action being done to him), I believe Jesus was talking specifically about the ascension that took place on the third day after He spoke to Mary just after coming out of the tomb.
Perhaps you can show me a passage that shows otherwise. Can you show me a verse that says Jesus rose himself up from the dead before He spoke to Mary in the garden?
Hi LU
But what question are you asking me?
Jesus could only have spoken to Mary AFTER BEING RISEN FROM THE DEAD AND NOT BEFORE!!!!???
Berean,
Can you show me a verse that is about Jesus’s resurrection that the grammar shows Jesus doing the action in an active voice as opposed to a passive voice?
LU…..IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT , the Father , who is GOD, WAS ACTUALLY “IN” Jesus, as a real (Spirit being) , he was actually in dwelling his body, and a a Spirit he could speak through Jesus’ mouth, just as evil spirits can also speak through the mouth of those they possess, as scripture clearly shows, God the Father who is a Spirit can do the same thing, to us, even as Jesus self said the Spirit could do that. Remember when Jesus said that, if they were put on trial to not mediate on what they would say, because it would be given then , that it would not be them that was speaking but the spirit of God that would speak through them? That’s exactly who spoke and said this out of Jesus’ mouth, “destroy this temple and in three days I (God) shall raise it up’. And again Paul said, “know you not that your bodies “ARE”, the “TEMPLES” of the living God’. That exact same then applied and applies to the “man’ Jesus also>
Your false teaching of Jesus being different then we are is not what scriptures teach, I have quoted to you and others here, the scripture that shows you and all , that the same Spirit that was and is n Jesus, must dwell in us also. “Now, if the Spirit of him “GOD” THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD, DWELL “IN” YOU, HE WHO RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD SHALL “ALSO”QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES, BY THE SPIRIT THAT DWELLS “IN” YOU’.
ITS THE EXACT SAME Same SPIRIT OF GOD, THAT Jesus had “IN ” him.
Peace and love to you and yours LU……..gene
Gene, if the Holy Spirit possesses us and forces us to speak and act and obey, when we receive the Holy Spirit, then the fruit of the Spirit would not be “self-control” it would be other controlled.
Galatians 5:22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control.
The fruit of the Spirit is SELF control. The Holy Spirit guides us but doesn’t force us. We should make the choice to be filled and controlled by the Holy Spirit but that choice is not forced on us.
Jesus had his own spirit (the Spirit of Christ) as well as the Spirit of the Father. Their Spirits were united as one Spirit. Jesus was led by the Father’s Spirit by choice, not by force. If we have the Spirit of Christ in us, we will also be led by choice to follow the spirit of both of them.
1 Peter 1:10Concerning this salvation, the prophets who foretold the grace to come to you searched and investigated carefully, 11trying to determine the time and setting to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
For the Spirit of Christ to be IN the prophets of the OT, the Spirit of Christ had to exist. Since the Spirit of Christ existed in the OT, Christ existed in the OT.
You can have the Spirit of Christ in you too. The Holy Spirit is the united spirit of both the Father and the Son. When the Holy Spirit is within us, we have fellowship with both the Father and the Son. The Spirit of the Son within us will call out “Abba Father” to our Father and Christ’s Father. It will teach us that God is our Father.
Hi LU
You
Can you show me a verse that is about Jesus’s resurrection that the grammar shows Jesus doing the action in an active voice as opposed to a passive voice?
Me
… in an active voice …!!!???
Jesus did not need to speak to come back to life,
BUT he heard the order of the Father and he obeyed by resuming HIS LIFE.
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John 10:18
No one takes it (HIS life) away from me, but I give it of myself; I have the power to give it, and I HAVE THE POWER to TAKE IT BACK: such is the order I received from my Father.This is why JESUS IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM.
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John 12:25
Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION, AND THE LIFE: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:LU, you simply egnored the scriptures i “quoted to you”, right? , so let me quote you another, scripture says, (not me), “for GOD works “IN” us, “BOTH” , to WILL, and do of “HIS” good pleaseure.
BUT you say our Will’S are greater then GOD’S WILL, becaus you say we can chose ourselves to obey him or not, O REALLY, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO YOU, …Whomsoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His (God’s) seed (holy spirit) remains in him and he “CANNOT” SIN, because he is born of GOD.
The sins we now do are sins that abide “IN” us, because we are “begotten” of God, not yet “born” , but when we are actually born of God we cannot sin, because sin will not be in our new bodies, so we cannot sin any longer once we are, “born again”. When we recieve a new body. I HAVE QUOTED THOSE SCRIPTURES OVER AND OVER HERE , TIME AND TIME AGAIN, but you people chose to simply ignore them over and over again. If you were of God you would not just ignor them would you?
Peace and love to you and yours……….gene
Gene,
If our will was not greater than God’s will, we wouldn’t be asked to surrender our will. God can make us do things against our will if He needs to but that would be merciful, not obligatory. God wants us to lay down our life and take up our cross, He doesn’t force us to however. We have a choice. When we lay down our life and take up our cross, we invite God to work in us to do His good pleasure in us which would be for our good as well.
Luke 9:22“The Son of Man must suffer many things,” He said. “He must be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” 23Then Jesus said to all of them, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.…
Gene, “If anyone wants to come after Me he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.” That is a choice Gene. We are free to choose. Choose life by losing your life and follow Jesus.
Berean,
LU: Can you show me a verse that is about Jesus’s resurrection that the grammar shows Jesus doing the action in an active voice as opposed to a passive voice?
Berean:
… in an active voice …!!!???
Sorry, that is confusing if you do not know Greek grammar. You see, the verbs in Greek have specific endings that tell many things about the verb.
Read this:
VOICE
Biblical Greek has three voices, active, middle, and passive:The Active Voice: This occurs when the action of the verb is being performed by the subject.
The Middle Voice: When the subject of the verb does action unto itself, or for its own benefit, the middle voice is used.
The Passive Voice: The passive represents the action of the verb being done unto the subject but not by the subject.
From: https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm
Berean,
Jesus laid down His life for His sheep starting with the agreement to empty Himself and become a bondservant. He took it up again when He ascended back to His Father and received all authority in heaven and on earth. His ascension to the Father on day three after He was talking to Mary is the part of the resurrection that Jesus did by His own power. Does that help?
Hi LU
LU :Jesus laid down His life for His sheep starting with the agreement to empty Himself and become a bondservant.
Me:Yes, this is the beginning of the giving of his Life and this is what Paul says in Philippians 2:6-8 and in 2Cor.8:9
And it culminated in the cross of Golgotha.More latter
LU…….Go back and read exactly what you wrote, and you are infering, you are saying that you yourself choose your own salvation, you lay down your own life yourself, question? , where is God at in you self salvation view, BY YOUR OWN WILL, seneiro. Is that not the same as saying, your saving your own life by your own “Will” ?,
Jesus said (not me)……“no man “CAN” come unto me, except the Father draw him”. I really don’t think your really understand the power of God in our salvation process.
If you believe we are saved by our “OWN”, “Wills” , you are dealing God the Father completely out of the salvation process, by even saying it’s all our choice by our own Wills, I also notice you have cleverly not dealt with the scripture I quoted, where it says, “God works in us “BOTH” TO “WILL” , and do of “HIS” good pleasure” , why didn’t you address the part where it shows that it was God who “works”, in our will’s , which “casuses us to do will” to do “his” good pleasure?
Haven’t you ever read this, “for we are being “CREATED” unto good works” , now who is doing the “creating” Us or God the Father?
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
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