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Hi All,
A God cannot have an input source as that would inply that there was something OUTSIDE of God.
God the Father, God Almighty, Jehovah (in our rendering of his name), He who Was, Is and Is to Come, the 'I Am'… is complete in himself.
He gives of Himself WITHIN Himself and receives back within Himself from those He gives – who are within Himself. Nothng is external to God – cannot be.
Jesus Christ is within his father, Mankind is within God, the Universe is Within God.
Anything Within God (that is: All things) cannot be [another] “God” (Capitals case) but can be “a god” (Lowercase) as it has an input source – the thing that gives it Life (in all senses and meanings) – It can take or be given from the source and it can give back to the source or the source can take it back.
The Holy Spirit is from and within God and can be given to whoever God wills – it can also be taken back from whoever God wills.
Jesus Christ is from and within God and can be given things from God and given bodily and spiritually to whoever God wills. Also Jesus can be given authority to give of and from himself even that which God has given to him. He can take back those things from whom he has given it and receive back from whom has that which is his. He, lastly, can give BACK to God that which God has given him and God receives back from him (I do not say God 'takes back from him' as the Jesus gives it back freely).
Similarly, mankind…
Jesus is the very IMAGE of God (An image of something IS NOT THAT THING ITSELF…) We have seen Jesus Christ but we have not seen God so IMAGE cannot mean a physical description – It would more likely be in a Spiritual sense, perhaps the Spirit of God: his Power and Authority, his Love and Compassion and holding to Truth and Righteousness – His glory!
When Phillip said “Show us the Father” what was he expecting to Jesus to show him? A Majestic [King] walking around on physical earth?
Jesus, quite rightly, replied “… If you have seen me then you have also seen the father!” Jesus is nearly always speaking in a Spiritual
sense which is why the people, including his disciples often didn't understand what he was saying (There were other reasons, of course!)Mankind is created in the IMAGE of God: Are we God? We are gods in that we have all the attributes of God in a limited capacity – we are a faint copy of God. Mankind is the only part of God's creation that itself creates for itself – but we most often in our sinful state forget or deliberately refuse to give back to God the glory that he deserves for what he has given us.
(as an aside – I gave my young son money to buy sweets. When he bought them he first eat them all himself. So I asked him if he did not think to first offer some of the sweets back to his father who gave him the money in the first place. Happily he was given the spirit of God and now always offers his father first from the pack – I don't always take but it was a glorious lesson for him and me!
– That day, I begot him!)All,
Error Correction:Quote Anything Within God (that is: All things) cannot be [another] “God” (Capitals case) but can be “a god” (Lowercase) as it has an input source – the thing that gives it Life (in all senses and meanings) – It can take or be given from the source and it can give back to the source or the source can take it back.
Should read:Quote
Anything Within God (that is: All things) cannot be [another] “God” (Capitals case) but can be “a god” (Lowercase) as it has an input source – the thing that gives it Life (in all senses and meanings) – It can Receive or be given from the source and it can give back to the source or the source can take it back.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2010,04:38) TT i knew there we are back to square one,;;To believe Jesus is the Son of God is to believe that He is EQUAL with God. In Hebrew culture the officiating son was EQUAL with the father. The Jews knew this and Jesus knew what they would think when He claimed to be the Son of God.
Again, in Hebrew culture the officiating son was EQUAL with the father. Jesus is the officiating son. Therefore….
you are wrong,wrong wrong,TT.but you know that.this is nothing new to you
t,Show me from scripture I am wrong. Let's go back to the post that started this thread. Jesus said that the Father would send the Holy Spirit “in My name.” This means that the Father would send the Holy Spirit “on My authority.”
So the Father acted on Jesus' authority and Jesus acted on the Father's authority. This means that they are EQUAL.
None of you anti-christians have answered this yet.
thinker
JustAskin said:
Quote Jesus is the very IMAGE of God (An image of something IS NOT THAT THING ITSELF…)
JA,You are twisting the scriptures. Hebrews chapter one says that Jesus is the RADIANCE of God's glory and the EXACT image of His person.
The “radiance” of something is the visible image of that thing. In other words, the word “image” in reference to Jesus does not mean that He was a copy of the original. It means that He was the ORIGINAL made a visible image. You need for WJ to instruct you here.
All other men were copies of the original. But Jesus was the “radiance” of God's glory meaning that He was the original made a visible image.
JA:
Quote We have seen Jesus Christ but we have not seen God so IMAGE cannot mean a physical description
LIE!Jesus said, “he that has seen Me has seen the Father.”
thinker
TT
you like to go to first base you seems never going ahead, you are in grade one and refusing to go to grad two,you are stuck in grad one and the teachers are tired to teach you the courses backand back ,again and again,you out grew your class level can not help you any more unless
. you start to help yourselfQuote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2010,05:46) TT
you like to go to first base you seems never going ahead, you are in grade one and refusing to go to grad two,you are stuck in grad one and the teachers are tired to teach you the courses backand back ,again and again,you out grew your class level can not help you any more unless
. you start to help yourself
t,Are you going to answer or not? Jesus said that the Father would send the Holy Spirit “in My name.” This means that the Father would send the Holy Spirit “on My authority.” Answer please!
Also, I asked you to show where my statement that the officiating son was equal with the father is wrong. You have not shown it wrong. You did not even reply.
You need to realize that thousands of people read these posts daily. It seems to me like you would want to prove what you say.
thinker
TT,
I am horrified at the base level of your learning.The Holy Spirit is of the Father – how can Jesus …demand … of the Father?
'in my name' means that it is the Holy Spirit that will be in his (Jesus') authority and not the Father's now!!
Jesus not equal to the Father:
“The father is greater than I”
“for although he was in the form of God he did not think that equally with God was something to grasp at”“God has highly exalted him (Jesus) giving him (Jesus) [the] name which is above all names”… He previously, whether in Heaven or on Earth, did not have that Name which is God's. He cannot be [a] God if he is devoid of something. [A] God is complete in himself. Throughout the Scriptures Jesus is shown being given things from his Father and even giving back.
On his victory over death and acquiring salvation for msnkind, Jesus is 'raised' to a position above 'his fellows' (I don't have the verse – I'm om mi mobi!) is this his 'Earthly fellows' or his 'Heavenly fellows' ?
Either way, how can [a] God be raised to a HIGHER LEVEL or POSITION?
“He that has seen me…” did I not state my case or maybe you were posting while I was writing or the other way round?
Terra,
Thank you for your support once again.I thank God for the inspiration from his Spirit through Christ Jesus.
Rev 4: 8-11…terraricca said:
Quote I am horrified at the base level of your learning. The Holy Spirit is of the Father – how can Jesus …demand … of the Father?
Paul said that the Holy spirit was both the Father's and christ's.Romans 8:9 (New King James Version)
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.terraricca:
Quote 'in my name' means that it is the Holy Spirit that will be in his (Jesus') authority and not the Father's now!! 
terraricca:
Quote “The father is greater than I”
This was true of Jesus when He dwelt in His flesh. It is not true of Him now. He has been glorified.thinker
JustAskin said:
Quote Either way, how can [a] God be raised to a HIGHER LEVEL or POSITION?
By taking the form of a servant (Philippians 2).thinker
hi TT
Ro 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.may be this version of the bible is better to make you understand it, NIV.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2010,06:19) hi TT
Ro 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.may be this version of the bible is better to make you understand it, NIV.
The NIV says the same thing. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ also. Do you believe the scriptures or not?thinker
TT
The NIV says the same thing. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ also. Do you believe the scriptures or not?
thinker
i believe the scriptures but i do not see you deduction,may be i am blind ,i realy don 't see what you say in the scriptures.
is not i do not wanted but i can not lie.
TT,
“In My Name”: God will send his Holy Spirit as a comforter to the disciples and all things that it does will be directed by (Authorised ) by Jesus Christ. It will act and Speaks as Jesus directs it – It will Act and Speak “In His Name”.
In order to accomplish all the things assigned to him by the Father he had to have direct control of all the attributes that are in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ alone could not do this (The Spirit of Christ is to do the will of his Father and God and it is wonderfully done).
When victory is gained Jesus will return the Holy Spirit back to his Father. Until then, the Holy Spirit will act and Speak “In the Name of Christ” or as Christ might say:
“Until then, the Holy Spirit will act and Speak 'In My Name'”“By taking on the form of a Servant: But, TT, don't YOUsay that Jesus “IS GOD” – Now you are saying that Jesus WASN'T GOD – he was a servant? Which is it?
Did you read one of the other Posts that I put out yesterday: WJ refrained from a response – And you two are SCHOLARS?
Maybe you could answer for him, please. I am interested int he response (Haven't checked yet so there is still a chance to get sommat in.Since you want to play “Today” here is the latest News report on the final positions of God's World:
[ God Almighty ] “King of [ALL] kings and Lord of [ALL] lords”
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[ Jesus Christ ] “King of [all earthly kings] and Lord of [All earthly lords]”
| “Prince to his King (The Almighty)”
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[ The 'Heavenly' Saints ] “Rulers with Christ in Heaven”
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[ The 'Earthly' Saints ] “Earthly rulers over mankind”
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[ All others of those saved ]I do not include Elders, the four Living Beings, Seraphims, Cherubims, Archangels nor Angels as their positions remain constant from the time of their positioning.
What is your vision of the 'end time' – What does a Triniatarian Heaven look like – in your view?
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 22 2010,07:21) TT, “In My Name”: God will send his Holy Spirit as a comforter to the disciples and all things that it does will be directed by (Authorised ) by Jesus Christ. It will act and Speaks as Jesus directs it – It will Act and Speak “In His Name”.
In order to accomplish all the things assigned to him by the Father he had to have direct control of all the attributes that are in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ alone could not do this (The Spirit of Christ is to do the will of his Father and God and it is wonderfully done).
When victory is gained Jesus will return the Holy Spirit back to his Father. Until then, the Holy Spirit will act and Speak “In the Name of Christ” or as Christ might say:
“Until then, the Holy Spirit will act and Speak 'In My Name'”“By taking on the form of a Servant: But, TT, don't YOUsay that Jesus “IS GOD” – Now you are saying that Jesus WASN'T GOD – he was a servant? Which is it?
Did you read one of the other Posts that I put out yesterday: WJ refrained from a response – And you two are SCHOLARS?
Maybe you could answer for him, please. I am interested int he response (Haven't checked yet so there is still a chance to get sommat in.Since you want to play “Today” here is the latest News report on the final positions of God's World:
[ God Almighty ] “King of [ALL] kings and Lord of [ALL] lords”
|
[ Jesus Christ ] “King of [all earthly kings] and Lord of [All earthly lords]”
| “Prince to his King (The Almighty)”
|
[ The 'Heavenly' Saints ] “Rulers with Christ in Heaven”
|
[ The 'Earthly' Saints ] “Earthly rulers over mankind”
|
[ All others of those saved ]I do not include Elders, the four Living Beings, Seraphims, Cherubims, Archangels nor Angels as their positions remain constant from the time of their positioning.
What is your vision of the 'end time' – What does a Triniatarian Heaven look like – in your view?
Hi JustAskin,Read the third post from the bottom…
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….st=3510God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgTT
your interpretation of Rom 8;9,is not correct ,you just look to find a way to argue,i know you know very well what that scripture says and do not say.you are a well educated person this is a game to you ,i can not believe other wise,? but it could be ,…
ED J,
I don't know what to think of what you have written.
What is “Half Dead” ? Is that not a sloppy term used in common every day language. Ask a surgeon what “Half Dead” means?
And what was the point of the parable: I didn't get it?
Are you saying that Jesus was only HALF Dead when he Died on the cross because he was Half Man and half God and it was the Man part that died but the God part lived on?
Are you giving ideas to WJ?
JA
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 21 2010,15:21) Did you read one of the other Posts that I put out yesterday: WJ refrained from a response – And you two are SCHOLARS?
Wrong! I didn't have time yesterday and do not today. But I will be happy to answer you. I have several post to answer, first with Ed.I will reiterate that your post to me is like swiss cheese and shows that you really do not understand a Trintarian view. If Jack doesn't answer, which he probably will, then I will in time!
Blessings WJ
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