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The others that you quote- 2 Peter 1: please can you read through the other verses – What do they say – in EVERY instance it says “Lord” Jesus Christ – and further vs JustAskin said:
Quote 16:says: “… he receive honor and glory from God the father” A God is Complete in himself – has no inout source = he can give out within himself and receive back within himself – Jesus is IN God so he can both give to his Son and receive back what he has given.
Jesus has an input source – What he receives from his father he also gives back – that mena he is not complete as he receives something that he did not have – even saying “All that the father has is mine” is only applicable because the Father GAVE it to him in the first place…JA,
Look at what verse 16 really says. It says that Christ received glory and honor when the voice spoke to the disciples and said, “This is MY Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Peter is not at all saying that glory and honor was imparted to Christ. It is saying that the Father testified of Christ's glory and honor before men.
Your morning star explanation is erroneous. You say that the morning star is not equal to the sun. But look in the Revelation which says that there is no need of the sun for the Lamb is the light (21:22). Then go to 21:16 where Christ said that He is the bright and morning star.
Do you get it. The sun is REPLACED by the Bright and Morning Star.
Go back to verse 1
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1
thinker
TT, hou are on a role …
In my Bible it is verse 17. Ok not a problem.17: “For he received from God the Father honor and glory when a voice came to him from the Excellent Glory: This is my beloved Son…”
I'm not sure how else to read this other than what I said.
When I opened my Bible it fell open at 1 Peter 1 and I read vs 21:
“[you] who through Him [Jesus] believed in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”
Should I read this as it is written – or should I look for anotherinterpretation?As for 'Morning Star' – you have misunderstood or desparately taken it out of context.
Check it out: The morning star is eclipsed by the sun.: The light of the Father eclipses that of the son, great that it is even in itself.
Rev 22:5: says “…they need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God 'gives' them light…” which is the light of the Lamb, the Morning Star, as you rightly point out.
Jesus Christ has received his reward and it is His light that will shine over his people. Jesus, indeed, will become their 'Mighty God' (a reverential title – not a factual one. One cannot 'become' a God)
Still, Only God Amighty is Worshipped.
TT,
In my Bible it is verse 17. Ok not a problem.17: “For he received from God the Father honor and glory when a voice came to him from the Excellent Glory: This is my beloved Son…”
I'm not sure how else to read this other than what I said.
When I opened my Bible it fell open at 1 Peter 1 and I read vs 21:
“[you] who through Him [Jesus] believed in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”
Should I read this as it is written – or should I look for anotherinterpretation?As for 'Morning Star' – you have misunderstood or desparately taken it out of context.
Check it out: The morning star is eclipsed by the sun.: The light of the Father eclipses that of the son, great that it is even in itself.
Rev 22:5: says “…they need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God 'gives' them light…” which is the light of the Lamb, the Morning Star, as you rightly point out.
Jesus Christ has received his reward and it is His light that will shine over his people. Jesus, indeed, will become their 'Mighty God' (a reverential title – not a factual one. One cannot 'become' a God)
Still, Only God Amighty is Worshipped.
TT,
In my Bible it is verse 17. Ok not a problem.17: “For he received from God the Father honor and glory when a voice came to him from the Excellent Glory: This is my beloved Son…”
I'm not sure how else to read this other than what I said.
When I opened my Bible it fell open at 1 Peter 1 and I read vs 21:
“[you] who through Him [Jesus] believed in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”
Should I read this as it is written – or should I look for anotherinterpretation?As for 'Morning Star' – you have misunderstood or desparately taken it out of context.
Check it out: The morning star is eclipsed by the sun.: The light of the Father eclipses that of the son, great that it is even in itself.
Rev 22:5: says “…they need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God 'gives' them light…” which is the light of the Lamb, the Morning Star, as you rightly point out.
Jesus Christ has received his reward and it is His light that will shine over his people. Jesus, indeed, will become their 'Mighty God' (a reverential title – not a factual one. One cannot 'become' a God)
Still, Only God Amighty is Worshipped.
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 18 2010,18:46) TT,
In my Bible it is verse 17. Ok not a problem.17: “For he received from God the Father honor and glory when a voice came to him from the Excellent Glory: This is my beloved Son…”
I'm not sure how else to read this other than what I said.
When I opened my Bible it fell open at 1 Peter 1 and I read vs 21:
“[you] who through Him [Jesus] believed in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”
Should I read this as it is written – or should I look for anotherinterpretation?As for 'Morning Star' – you have misunderstood or desparately taken it out of context.
Check it out: The morning star is eclipsed by the sun.: The light of the Father eclipses that of the son, great that it is even in itself.
Rev 22:5: says “…they need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God 'gives' them light…” which is the light of the Lamb, the Morning Star, as you rightly point out.
Jesus Christ has received his reward and it is His light that will shine over his people. Jesus, indeed, will become their 'Mighty God' (a reverential title – not a factual one. One cannot 'become' a God)
Still, Only God Amighty is Worshipped.
JustIt is a violation of the sight rules to spam the same post in the same thread one after the other!
WJ
TT
no answer to my question if you do not act qickly you will loose it ,but maybe you do not want to answer me???sorry for the multiple posts . I did it from my mobile and it got stuck one or two times.
Terra, its means that those on the earth will be ruled over by Jesus Christ to fulfill God's word that 'All things were made through Him (Jesus) and for Him'. Take note that it says 'through' him – an agency, a channel. In contrast when the same reference is made of God it say 'By' Him – the originator, creator, the cause the doer of an action.
JA
i know the answer i just wanted TT to answer the question me ,he only answer wen he feel like it ,not on request,so be itthanks
Terra and to TT,
I was on my way home from work which is why i was away for a while tonight (Uk midnight now!)My Spirit was going out for TT. I think God want him to come to know Him. TT , you kniw I have not spoken in secret about this.
It will be a fearful thing when the reslisation kicks in – do not be afraid – Cry tears of joy that God has chosen to know you and you to know Him.
May God come to bless you.Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 18 2010,19:23) sorry for the multiple posts . I did it from my mobile and it got stuck one or two times.
No problem. You should ask t8 in the suggestions thread to give you editing rights so you could delete them when it happens!Blessings WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 19 2010,10:33) TT, hou are on a role …
In my Bible it is verse 17. Ok not a problem.17: “For he received from God the Father honor and glory when a voice came to him from the Excellent Glory: This is my beloved Son…”
I'm not sure how else to read this other than what I said.
When I opened my Bible it fell open at 1 Peter 1 and I read vs 21:
“[you] who through Him [Jesus] believed in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.”
Should I read this as it is written – or should I look for anotherinterpretation?As for 'Morning Star' – you have misunderstood or desparately taken it out of context.
Check it out: The morning star is eclipsed by the sun.: The light of the Father eclipses that of the son, great that it is even in itself.
Rev 22:5: says “…they need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God 'gives' them light…” which is the light of the Lamb, the Morning Star, as you rightly point out.
Jesus Christ has received his reward and it is His light that will shine over his people. Jesus, indeed, will become their 'Mighty God' (a reverential title – not a factual one. One cannot 'become' a God)
Still, Only God Amighty is Worshipped.
JA,Peter CLEARLY said that Christ received glory and honor when the Father said, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” This does NOT mean that God gave Him something He didn't already have. God was simply testifying before men of what Jesus already had.
thinker
Quote (JustAskin @ Jan. 19 2010,11:36) Terra and to TT,
I was on my way home from work which is why i was away for a while tonight (Uk midnight now!)My Spirit was going out for TT. I think God want him to come to know Him. TT , you kniw I have not spoken in secret about this.
It will be a fearful thing when the reslisation kicks in – do not be afraid – Cry tears of joy that God has chosen to know you and you to know Him.
May God come to bless you.
thinker
JustAskin said:
Quote Jesus Christ has received his reward and it is His light that will shine over his people. Jesus, indeed, will become their 'Mighty God' (a reverential title – not a factual one. One cannot 'become' a God) Still, Only God Amighty is Worshipped.
The Father commanded all the angels to worship the Son:
Hebrews 1:5: For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?And again:
“ I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“ Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
The Father commanded all the angels to worship His Son.
thinker
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2010,10:53) hi JA
just as moses became god to his brother in exodus
The angels were never commanded to worship Moses. They were commanded to worship the Son:Hebrews 1:5: For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?And again:
“ I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“ Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
thinker
TT
do you know the scripture i refered to
and i was responding to the fact that Christ is called god that is why i post my respond ,or comment .
i am not smart because i should have thought that someone could use it out of context,so i deely apologies for my mistake.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 19 2010,14:11) TT
do you know the scripture i refered to
and i was responding to the fact that Christ is called god that is why i post my respond ,or comment .
i am not smart because i should have thought that someone could use it out of context,so i deely apologies for my mistake.
t,I do not accept your explanation because I have heard it a thousand times over. Anti-christians use Moses as a so called example of a man being called “god.” The new teatament speaks much more highly of Jesus than Moses. According to Hebrews 1 the name “God” in reference to Jesus means Supreme. All the angels of God are commanded to worship Him.
Angels were never commanded to worship Moses.
thinker
TT
you do not understand or you do not want to understand ,i do not know which it is,but i find there is no point to continue this repetition on and on ,for ending up to zero.
I wander if this is to you and some others just an exercise to practice there knowledge in the scriptures
for there personal benefit.
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