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I'm sorry…I can not continue to listen to people talk about how GOD is not real.
That gets my blood pressure up.
People like that stu have to always come around line for line quoting your posts and continueing to tell you GOD is not real.
I just can't do it.
I can not deal with that.
At all.
I can deal with people not believing in weather or not your supposed to have a KJV or a NIV bible or what ever.
But I can not stand in the same chat room, forum board, or IRL room with any one that keeps trying to tell me this.
This is a deciption of Satan. I can not and will not listen to it anymore.
Sorry. But every time I try to come back to this board and post …this guy is there calling me out.
GOD IS REAL…he wants to call me out ….thats going to be my answer every time.
GOD IS REAL
I don't dislike him…I dislike the spirit that has him decived.
I'm through here.
God bless all of you all,
There is a lot of you that have really been very nice speaking with. I wish it did not have to come to this.
I can't do it. I can't keep listening to that. I mean I just will not listen to that. GOD is real Jesus Is Real and that all there is to it.
There is nothing to debate there.
Nothing.
Thats the way it is.
Hi Samuel,
Hang about dude. Let your faith be tested in every way so it can become stronger. It is precious and besides, He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.Hi Samuel,
In the believers section you do not even have to read anything that Stu writes.
You need not debate Stu unless you choose to.Just hang around and discuss God with other believers.
If you feel that you must go, you will be missed. Bless you.
Tim
What will be great is when Jesus comes back.
I…
I hope I myself am ready for that day as well.
I should learn to keep my big mouth shut any way. It always opens and there is no telling what might fly out.
There are those of you that are always very forgiving, thats what I love, a lot of you never seem to judge people. Thats what is great about this.
You go into a church and if you don't have the right atire on you get eyeballed to death. And its almost like you can feel there thoughts stabing you in the back.
On here you don't have to deal with that.
But I can't deal with people telling me that GOD does not exist.
They might as well tell me that I don't exist. Because GOD is the only reason that I am alive. Without GOD I could never have existed.
Its like slapping me right in the face. It feels so terrible.
I mean what do you even say to someone like that?
Esp, when they always answer all your questions with more questions, and always have a statement to……its like haveing a conversation with a piece of jello!
…all the other person does is wiggle their way out of every point thats brought up.A person like that could not give a straight answer even if they had a yard stick.
Double Minded…no thats worse then Double Minded…its like a spirit of strong delusion has been sent to consume them.
Its a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Almighty Living GOD.
I pray that that never becomes of me, or anyone for that matter.
I'd love to stay…But on the other hand I feel so useless too.
And there is always so many Ideas floating around that its all to confusing.
Why does it have to be all this stuff?
Why can't it just be Us and GOD?
Would that not be so much simpler?
The only doubt that I have is in myself.
I do doubt myself…I should admit. I fear myself even. I'm always so scared that i'm going to destroy my own self…Its like I'm falling and I can't stop.
If I could just tie a safty cord around myself and Jesus…
I just don't even see why I should stay here in these forums anymore.
I'm so confused.
I should just go.
Hi Samual
I think you write sense
And I think you are made
Out of the right stuff,
For the Lord our God.You say you feel yourself falling.
Throw out your anchor
Anchor on to the self.
You are right
It must be so
You have God's Spirit.Your Safety Cord
Is God's Spirit and prayer.
Your anchore is Christ Jesus.
Your are worth it!Lineon
Samuel,
We are cautioned against throwing our pearls before the swine and to “Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen”. However, I agree with Tim IV just ignore those refusing to listen and who place no value in scripture. Hope you stay (nice avatar by the way)Wm
Hi Samuel
You don't know me as I just jioned But your Words inspired me, I felt the Power of the Holy Ghost in your words to Stu, even if He did not? I would like to hear more so consider staying for Us that do Beleive and are needing your Faith. KIM
Samuel I just think you are not sure how to react to someone who questions what you need to be true. It could be that you feel the need to convince me of your worldview, maybe to assure yourself about it, but I think actually it is more a case that you post outside the Boy Scouts section in reply to me because you would like it all to be true but have some serious underlying doubts. Whatever path you choose, you must be true to yourself. It would be pig-headed of me to reject other views out of hand, but I honestly feel that so far no one has mounted a really good case for adopting a christian faith. Does christian faith help build personal resiliance?
Stuart
We are not here to convince you of the Christian faith. It is up to you to seek and find. Usually those who have found like to get together and talk about stuff. If you haven't found the truth then that should be your priority because truth exists and truth tends to be permanent and therefore is important. If you are getting no answers here, then you are actually free to look elsewhere. You have been here for quite a while and you don't seem to be making much progress with seeing the obviousness of a creator. I wonder if you are really searching or just enjoy picking people's beliefs apart. If the latter, then you should admit to yourself that you have a problem because rather than building up, your mission is to destroy.
Anyway as I have said before, your words have pretty much no impact on me because you haven't thought through your whole basis for non-belief in a creator, so I personally cannot really take much of what you say that seriously. I just hope that others take a similar stance rather than actually try and talk to you as if you actually had a logical argument or something of substance.
I would like to encourage those who have a problem with Stu to just ignore him and post in the Believers Place category. If you want to evangelize or debate something with those who do not believe then by all means venture out and do so, but be realistic. Don't expect people to be nice or even have morals out there. Remember who the world is being influenced by. And remember that anyone from the world can post outside the Believers Place category.
Likewise if you decide to venture into a battle zone then expect bullets. Don't be offended if a few go whizzing past your head. In fact expect them.
Quote (TimothyVI @ July 31 2008,09:47) Hi Samuel, In the believers section you do not even have to read anything that Stu writes.
You need not debate Stu unless you choose to.Just hang around and discuss God with other believers.
If you feel that you must go, you will be missed. Bless you.
Tim
Greetings Tim….Stu is a necessary element in the support system of any believer,simply because he questions, and his faith is in himself….Somehow I feel he needs this forum so as to continue to convince himself and eradicate his own doubts about the positions he maintains with respect to the existence of God and the sanctity of the scriptures…Stu is a true contrarian and we should welcome his discourse…Quote (theodorej @ Aug. 02 2008,00:43) Quote (TimothyVI @ July 31 2008,09:47) Hi Samuel, In the believers section you do not even have to read anything that Stu writes.
You need not debate Stu unless you choose to.Just hang around and discuss God with other believers.
If you feel that you must go, you will be missed. Bless you.
Tim
Greetings Tim….Stu is a necessary element in the support system of any believer,simply because he questions, and his faith is in himself….Somehow I feel he needs this forum so as to continue to convince himself and eradicate his own doubts about the positions he maintains with respect to the existence of God and the sanctity of the scriptures…Stu is a true contrarian and we should welcome his discourse…
I totally agree theodore.Everyone does not have faith strong enough for challenges.
I suggested that if that was the case for Samuel, he could avoid confrontation with stu by frequenting only the believers section.Tim
Hi Samuel! Please consider not to go. I do not like it either when Stu makes fun of God. Therefore I do not answer him. I do mainly stay in the Believers section. Just consider that God in you is stronger then what Stu trows at you. Just ignore him.
Peace and Love IreneMy faith is sound…
Stu could tell me a billion times a day all his foolish thoughts and wisdoms of this world that will soon pass away…thats one reason why having faith or possesing anything this world has to offer….yes…even its wisdom….is completely worthless.
He could tell me all day long what ever he wants…that pigs fly or that the monkeys came from pigs or vice versa…I don't really care what he opens his mouth to say…its not going to change the fact that I believe in the one true Living GOD…and his son Jesus Christ our Lord.
What it does do is make me angry though.
I can't stand by calmly and listen to someone say that GOD is not real. It really makes my soul shimmer. He even knows that it is a falsehood…or else he would not still be here trying to convince others that it is not…he is trying to confirm his beliefs which he can not do. So he thinks if he says it enough to enough people it will become true.
What ever…I do not wish to arguee with such a person. I simply do not wish to hear him say anything else to me. It is all between him and GOD now. Hes been told be every one here and I wish he would quit addressing me.
I have nothing more to say to the man.
For that matter, anyone that does not believe in GOD I have only one thing to say to them one time only. He is real, and he loves you.
Thats it.
I'm not going to debate the existance of my GOD. Its not open for debate.
Just like there is no need to debate the existance of the grass that grows on your yard every day…its there…for real.
And thats the way it is.
The bible says that he wisdoms of this world are foolish…that GOD chose the Foolish things that the world considers foolish to reveal his truth.
I don't care how smart you think you are about science or aliens or evoloution or what ever great thinker came up with whatever great idea that just sit around and talk about ….I do not care.
Thats all a bunch of hogwash…Skubalon
Its not GODS word and thefore it is foolish.
I'm sorry…I've tried to be nice to the man…even now…in politely asking him to stop talking to me about the fact that he thinks my GOD is not real.
If he has something else to talk about, that does not involve the fact that he thinks my GOD is not real…maybe we can talk about that…
Otherwise I have nothing to say to him.
I've told him once and I'll tell him again…maybe he did not hear me or maybe he did not pay attention or maybe he just flat out ignored me…
But my GOD is not open for debate.
How much more clear can I put it?
For me its not a debatable topic.
No way no how.
So please once again …stop trying to debate it with me.
Sack all your beliefs up and carry them to someone that wants to hear them. Because I do not.
People in the world is foolish and their ideas always change….they can't decide from one year to the next on anything.
How ever long ago it was there was someone just like Stu swearing up and down all day long just like he does that the world was flat.
…Hmmm….Guess that did'nt go over too well…cause guess what…it's not.
They swore that Pluto was a planet…now they are saying its not.
Wishy washy….
How many things that GOD said changed?
None.
What he said…says and will say is TRUE…it always will be, and it will never change.
He is not the auther of confusion….you are.
God bless you and Goodbye.
Samuel I don't think your god is not real to you, I just think it is not real to anyone else. There are 2,100,000,000 different Judeo-christian gods, one inside each believer's head.
Stuart
Quote (Samuel @ Aug. 02 2008,06:28) I can't stand by calmly and listen to someone say that GOD is not real.
But God allows him to say this if only for a time.Quote (Stu @ Aug. 02 2008,11:31) Samuel I don't think your god is not real to you, I just think it is not real to anyone else. There are 2,100,000,000 different Judeo-christian gods, one inside each believer's head. Stuart
People describe God differently just as people would describe an elephant differently if they had only seen a part of it. No one can see all of God but we have insight in part. It is up to those with true faith to combine their vision and experience to get a bigger picture.If a man thinks an elephant is like a tail and another says it is like a trunk, then they are describing a different part of the same thing.
So there aren't 1000000 different elephants in this example, but one.
But it is true that there are people who have opinions about God and make God into their image or the image of something in their mind. Not all who believe in God are in the truth. But if you love the truth and seek it with all your heart it will be given.
Hi t8
Quote We are not here to convince you of the Christian faith. It is up to you to seek and find. In that case I find it lame. Although some prostyletise to me, which I do not appreciate, the truth of christian belief should be obvious here if it is going to be obvious anywhere. By all the standards of truth that are held in academia, ethical journalism, the judicial system and lawmaking, christianity does not have a truthful leg to stand on. Surely it is by your actions and thoughts that I would be convinced. You have to judge whether I seem to you to be genuinely open-minded as I claim. I hold open that tiny chink of possibility that you are right. Have a look back and see what you have tried to fill it with. Would you be convinced?
Quote You have been here for quite a while and you don't seem to be making much progress with seeing the obviousness of a creator.
The only really obvious thing is that people perceive a creator for which there is no evidence. With that in mind, the progress you are suggesting can only be in the direction of ignorance.Quote I wonder if you are really searching or just enjoy picking people's beliefs apart. If the latter, then you should admit to yourself that you have a problem because rather than building up, your mission is to destroy.
My mission is to find truth. If that means destruction then what value was there in the thing destroyed?Quote Anyway as I have said before, your words have pretty much no impact on me because you haven't thought through your whole basis for non-belief in a creator, so I personally cannot really take much of what you say that seriously.
I’m sorry t8, but that is just so obviously not true. Not wanting to blow my own trumpet or anything but I think you would struggle to find someone here who has thought through the wider issues more than I have. There are a few, but I would guess many have left and gone the agnostic way of many christians who stop and think about it for ‘too long’. I do not have the knowledge of the scriptures that others have, but the wider issue is the probity of the scriptures in which case you don’t need to know much about the detailed contents of them. I do take what you write seriously, you just have to consider the quite detailed responses you have had on the issue of design in biology. The fact that you have responded in kind indicates that you also take what I write seriously. Either you are playing defensively to the crowd or you are genuine. I would not pretend to finally judge your motives. I would even suggest you may not realise yourself what they are. Whichever it is, not everyone’s castles in the air are as securely tethered to sky-hooks as yours are.Quote I just hope that others take a similar stance rather than actually try and talk to you as if you actually had a logical argument or something of substance.
So you too advocate putting hands over the ears and shouting ‘I can’t hear you’. What of the search for truth? If you have already decided I have nothing to offer truthwise, but am just a part of the marketing of your website, what ethics are you putting on display?Quote I would like to encourage those who have a problem with Stu to just ignore him and post in the Believers Place category. If you want to evangelize or debate something with those who do not believe then by all means venture out and do so, but be realistic. Don't expect people to be nice or even have morals out there. I have ethics. Please would you exclude me from that generalisation. I maintain the highest standards posting here, and I always discuss ideas and never abuse people personally. If they want to make their ideology into their identity then that is their mistake and there is no way to avoid offending on those grounds. The rules pretty much say as much.
Remember who the world is being influenced by.
The Pope, Osama Bin Laden, John Hagee and Ronald MacDonald!Stuart
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