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Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins is a command of God given by the Spirit in Peter. Your worries and opinions do not change that.
Hi PC,
What you quoted shows that baptism s the priority of God- in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Acts 2.41 shows us that SOULS ARE ADDED (3000) by Water Baptism.
Philip baptised the Eunuch and was immediately taken away.
but folks prefer their own opinion and not scripture.
Actually Nick, your words are irrelevant to what I teach because baptism is obedience to God which I support and you have to wonder about a person that doesn’t want to be baptized. That said, from your teachings, you can draw the conclusion that imprisoning a person from a pool of water would stop them from salvation, even if they repented, prayed, and received the Holy Spirit. If they have received the Holy Spirit, then an oppressor could in spite just murder you to deny you heaven. If this foolish notion were true, then enemies of the faith could lock Christians up and give them no access to salvation as you seem to teach it. God’s laws and commandments are tight. You cannot really exploit his plan in such ways.
God is not bound by such things and salvation is not missed because of technicalities.
Imagine hearing, “sorry you cannot enter even though you had the Holy Spirit because you died before water baptism”. I don’t think so Nick. In some places there are no pools of water, just sand. These places are even in the same Middle East region where the gospel was preached. Further, before Jesus Christ came in the flesh, there was no baptism in water as far as I know. So they all went to hell? lol.
Listen to John the Baptist.
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
Finally, if your rebuttal to me is that we are commanded to be baptized in water, then once again, you have completely missed what I am actually saying in which case, it would be better for you to be silent than show your lack of understanding once again.
I can say with confidence that water baptism doesn’t save you. But repentance and obedience, being born of the Spirit, and being led by that same Spirit will.
If you are just water baptized, that may not count toward salvation. It’s not that easy.
Hi PC,
Repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
These are the words of God spoken through Peter.
But you find them lacking?
Hi PC,
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to him.
1 Peter 3.21f
baptism saves you.
but you have a different view?
Hi PC,
” Look. Here is water. What is to prevent me from being baptised?”
said the Eunuch.
God will provide the water if needed.
Still not understanding Nick.
Water baptism doesn’t save you.
Salvation is not that easy.
It is said that Emperor Constantine was baptised on his deathbed by bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia in 337 AD. If true, did that save him?
You don’t have to answer me. It is a question for you to ponder.
Hi PC,
The Sunworshipper Constantine, who murdered his wife and his son and got involved in the decisions of the church, was most likely baptised in the name of a trinity, which was in vogue by then.
that would not have helped him.
Hi PC,
You say that baptism does not save you but 1 Peter 3 says it does.
And he is talking about baptism in the name of Jesus.
Who do you think I should believe?”
The Sunworshipper Constantine, who murdered his wife and his son and got involved in the decisions of the church, was most likely baptised in the name of a trinity, which was in vogue by then.
that would not have helped him.
Constantine I, died on May 22, 337 AD. Further, the Trinitarian formula had become the standard in many Christian communities by the time of the Nicene Creed in the 4th century. So it is not conclusive as to what name he was baptised or even if he was. We can only go on what history tells us.
Regardless, here are two questions for you that I am almost certain you will not answer, (although you might try hard to prove me wrong about that which would be good).
- If Constantine was baptised fully in water on his deathbed and in the name of Jesus, would he have been saved? YES / NO
- Since the name Jesus is has its origins in Greek where it comes from the word Iēsous, which comes from the Hebrew Yeshua, does this mean that being baptised in the name of Jesus is also wrong and all who have are not saved? Or to ask this in a different way, are only those who are baptised in the name of Yeshua saved? If not, why, as the scriptures actually do not say ‘Jesus’ which when you think about it, also seems to be a departure.
1 Peter 3:21-22
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Some things to note:
- The water symbolizes baptism
- The Holy Spirit is intricately involved in the process of resurrection for believers. The Spirit’s presence within believers is seen as the guarantee and assurance of their future resurrection, as well as the source of the power that brings about this transformation.
So Baptism of the Spirit is baptism. Romans 8:10-11 tells us the following:
“But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.”
John baptised with water, but Jesus Christ baptised with the Holy Spirit and fire. That said, we are commanded to be baptised in water so we can receive the Holy Spirit. However, scripture also points to the fact that some already had the Spirit, but were baptised in water in obedience.
If you think all who are baptised in water in the name of Jesus are saved and only them, then I think you have overreached in your conclusion.
What you need to ask yourself Nick is this. Does water baptism save you or is it but the symbol of something greater taking place?
Hi PC,
in reply.
Simon the magician, was baptised in the name of Jesus in Acts 8, but God found his repentance inadequate. It is not an ordinance but a plea to God as 1 Peter 3 told us . Since the decision was made by God I should not prejudge that. Would you?
“Get up. Wash away your sins calling on his name”
There are variations on how scripture describes baptism,” in the name of Jesus , Christ, in the name of the Lord.”
So if God shows us it is not a matter of being pedantic we should accept that.
Hi Pc,
The water that is spoken of in 1 Peter 3 symbolising baptism is the floodwaters that destroyed a generation saving only 8 in the time of Noah.
Hi PC,
We have about 15 baptisms in Acts to learn from and none appear to have been done in the name of a trinity. There are no scriptural witnesses to the baptism in Mt 28 in the name of a trinity.
Hi PC,
Forgiveness of sins is offered by baptism in the name of the Lord.
Scripture does warn about dying in your sins.
Washing of the feet symbolises the need to constantly seek God’s forgiveness after baptism.
Jn 13.10
Jesus said to him
“He who has bathed needs only to was his feet, but is completely clean, and you are clean , but not all of you”
Again in the Our Father, the daily prayer of God’s servants , we are to pray for forgiveness.
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