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Hoi kenrch,
It is only confusing looked at through human eyes according to what we understand about created things.But even with creation
is the steam that rises from the sea really separate
from the snow that falls on the mountains,
from the rivers that flow down stream and
form the sea it flows back into?If we can understand that unity why can we not understand the unity between God and His Spirit?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2006,01:35) Hoi kenrch,
It is only confusing looked at through human eyes according to what we undertsand about created things.
But even with creation
is the steam that rises from the sea really separate
from the snow that falls on the mountains,
from the rivers that flow down stream and
form the sea it flows back into?If we can understand that unity why can we not understand the unity between God and His Spirit?
I do understand Nick. Do you agree with all the other translations?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2006,01:58) Hi kenrch,
Do you think they are based on the same addition to scripture?
Nick if you do not wish to discuss this any longer, just say so.I have given you my view and understanding. I simply asked a question twice and twice you have refused to answer. I'm not going to waste my time watching you dance around questions either because you don't know the answer OR if you do answer then you will admit you are wrong we both know that will never happen. So have a nice night.
Hi kenrch,
You say
“You said that the Spirit is never separate from the source of that Spirit-God.
Then you said: His Spirit (Now which Spirit is this one) is poured out (yet never separate)and infuses His creation.I'm sorry Nick sounds like you are contradicting yourself.”
Which Spirit?
There is only one Holy Spirit.Even the breath of God goes back to God so why should we be surprised that the Spirit never is separate from The Source.
We can know how the Spirit relates to God.
1Cor 2
” 10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
The Father has the Holy Spirit which He shares with His Son and His children.” How can the Spirit search the deep things of God while being separate from that God
Note that our relationship with our own spirit is compared with the realtaionship between God and His Spirit. Are we able to be separated from our spirit and live? No.
Jas 2
“26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”The Father has the Holy Spirit which He shares with His Son and His children.” How can the Spirit search the deep things of God while being separate from that God.
The Father ( who is Spirit John 4:24 ) has the Holy Spirit.
Isn't that two Spirits? Or is it the Father is the Holy Spirit?The Father's Spirit IS the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Son of God
The Holy Spirit is in all God's children making them one.You won't answer but I take it that you are saying that all these translations are wrong.
1Jo 5:7
(CEV) In fact, there are three who tell about it.
(DRB) And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
(ESV) For there are three that testify:
(GNB) There are three witnesses:
(GW) There are three witnesses:
(KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(KJV+) For3754 there are1526 three5140 that bear record3140 in1722 heaven,3772 the3588 Father,3962 the3588 Word,3056 and2532 the3588 Holy40 Ghost:4151 and2532 these3778 three5140 are1526 one.1520
(KJVR) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
(LITV) For there are three bearing witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
(MKJV) For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.
(MSG) A triple testimony:
Again the Trinity Doctrine takes this farther stateing that all three are equal which doesn't line up with scripture.
Wouldn't you say that the Holy Spirit has both Father and Son?
You have the Father and Son and THEIR Spirit which is the Holy Spirit. The Father and son are in the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is in Father and Son.
Which makes the Holy Spirit God.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 While it remained, did it not remain thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thy power? How is it that thou hast conceived this thing in thy heart? “thou has not lied unto men, but unto God”.You don't blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and their blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:You can Blaspheme Father and Son and if you repent it will be forgiven. But there is NO forgiveness for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Hi kenrch
You say
“The Father and son are in the Holy Spirit “
Where does it say God is IN the Spirit?The Spirit is a manifestation of God but God IS in heaven.
The Father is the Holy Spirit and the Son the fullness of both. The Son is the ministry of the Holy Spirit and all of creation came by him and through him by the will of the Father through the unction of the Holy Spirit.
Quote (heiscomingintheclouds @ Sep. 29 2006,00:23) The Father is the Holy Spirit and the Son the fullness of both. The Son is the ministry of the Holy Spirit and all of creation came by him and through him by the will of the Father through the unction of the Holy Spirit.
Hi H,
Not quite.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit OF God.
Jesus is a being with life in himself who was filled with the Spirit of God.
Lk 1
“1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,”Nick, did you learn this from a previous post I posted? Seems to me you did not always think this way. If I remember correctly, and my memory has already be proven to be credible, I posted that in the beginning was the Word. That the Father begat the Son in the beginning. You asked if the Father begat a spirit and I told you yes, a quickening spirit. And I proved this by when Jesus was on the cross and the Father had to remove the Holy Spirit from Jesus before he became our sin. Jesus saying the words, “Father, why hast though forsaken me.” This was the first time the Son was ever apart from the Father. For even at the beginning, the Father was with the Son.
So if you are going to try to correct me on my own doctrine, which was given me through the unction of the Holy Spirit, you might consider reading previous posts before you leap into action. This is what gets you in trouble.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 25 2006,20:33) Hi kenrch
You say
“The Father and son are in the Holy Spirit “
Where does it say God is IN the Spirit?The Spirit is a manifestation of God but God IS in heaven.
God is a Spirit and we are to worship Him in Spirit and truth.The Holy Spirit is everywhere. Jesus said where two or more gather in my name He would be in our midst. Who is in our midst when we gather in Jesus' Name?
Now notice the Holy Spirit comes fills Jesus with Joy and what does Jesus do He immediately begins to speak to the Father.
Luk 10:21 In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou didst hide these things from the wise and understanding, and didst reveal them unto babes: yea, Father; for so it was well-pleasing in thy sight.
Does anyone not understand this besides Nick?
Amen brother. God the Father gives us part of himself, what is called the Holy Spirit. When the Father spoke, begat the Son into existance, the Son even upon conception was filled with the Father, the Holy Spirit.
In the beginning was the Word. God spoke the Son into existance. God gave birth to his only begotten Son, the quickening Spirit. The Father begat the Son through the unction of the Holy Spirit, by the unction of the Holy Spirit.
And the Word was with God. The Father was with the Son. His Holy Spirit filled the Son.
And the Word was God. And the Son was made God of all creation and all things were made by the Father and through the Son by the unction of the Holy Spirit. The Father made the Son God over all creation. The Son is the will of the Father, the image of the Father.
Phil. 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Hi H
You say
“the Son even upon conception was filled with the Father, the Holy Spirit”
Do you have scriptural support for this statement?Quote Jesus is a being with life in himself who was filled with the Spirit of God. This your own words Nick.
And you ask me if the Holy Spirit of God fills the Son? Do you not know that the Son was begotten of the Father, who is the Holy Spirit?
Hi H,
I see how you have derived these conclusions from scripture,
but once again you have fallen short in providing any
DIRECT
scriptural evidence for your proclamations.
You should abide in the Word.
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