I John 5:7

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Hi WS 2,

“Praise the Lord now we’re gaining common grounds. God (Spirit, eternal, unlimited and uncreated) and Christ (Flesh, born of a woman, lived as a man, with beginning, suffered and died and rose again and now sits on the right hand of power) are one. Col. 2:9 the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily.”

Was Christ just flesh? Even we are more than flesh
So God DWELLED IN Christ? I agree
The Son was sent into the world and now stands at the right hand of the Father? I agree

So how do you make one being out of two again?

August 30, 2006 at 12:13 am#26339

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A. “Praise the Lord now we’re gaining common grounds. God
(Spirit, eternal, unlimited and uncreated) and Christ
(Flesh, born of a woman, lived as a man, with
beginning, suffered and died and rose again and now
sits on the right hand of power) are one.

Q. Was Christ just flesh? Even we are more than flesh
So God DWELLED IN Christ? I agree
The Son was sent into the world and now stands at the
right hand of the Father? I agree
A. Christ may seem to be just like any other man when it comes to
his’ being in the flesh as the Son of man. He’s got a body, a soul and spirit. He was born of a woman, grew, worked, hungered, thirst, pained suffered and died. Just like any other man he seemingly was just like them. Some says he was a prophet, others say he’s just a man, some says he’s just a preacher doing good throughout the land. But Jesus is more than just a man, for the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him bodily. His Father was the Holy Ghost (God the Father, Spirit) and through Mary who was the seed of Abraham was he conceived. He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. The only begotten son of God, without sin and blemish… and now all power of heaven and of earth is given to this man Christ Jesus. This makes him special above
all other man
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act
7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Q. So how do you make one being out of two again?
A. Col. 2:9 the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily.”
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing
their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
God is omnipresent, He is present in heaven, in earth, in hell, in our hearts, in Christ and everywhere. Nothing is hid from him.
Therefore when the fullness of the Godhead (Spirit) dwelt in Christ (Body) in union with his own spirit, they become one flesh.
Likewise, when you receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, The spirit of Christ which is in full union with the God, Dwells in our own body and becomes united with our own spirit, that we now come together under one same body. Then we are one in Him, even as He is one with the Father.
But for the rest of them, this cannot be understood, it remains a mystery because it is hid from them.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

August 30, 2006 at 12:26 am#26342

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Hi Ws2,
So all these verses below speak of trwo beings, not one???

A. Col. 2:9 the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily.”
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing
their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.”'

All the mumbo jumbo does not make one disappear does it?

August 30, 2006 at 6:42 am#26369

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woe unto you nick, who call these holy scriptures nothing but mumbo Jumbo!

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

August 30, 2006 at 6:49 am#26372

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HI WS2,
I do not call scripture any such thing.
I love scripture and believe it.
It says that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

Those who use trickery to try to show from scripture
that God never had a son
deserve to be asked to justify such mistreatment
of the truth and wisdom of God.

August 31, 2006 at 8:56 am#26463

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To wind_slasher52

Quote (wind_slasher52 @ Aug. 31 2006,02:42)

woe unto you nick, who call these holy scriptures nothing but mumbo Jumbo!

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I didn't get the impression that Nick was calling scripture mumbo jumbo.

Maybe he was referring to your post(s) in general.

You should be careful when saying woe…..

You need to make sure that your accusation is indeed true.

In this case you may have accused him falsely.

In all the time Nick has posted here, I have found him to have a great respect for scripture.

September 1, 2006 at 1:34 am#27118

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2006,07:49)

HI WS2,
I do not call scripture any such thing.
I love scripture and believe it.
It says that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

Those who use trickery to try to show from scripture
that God never had a son
deserve to be asked to justify such mistreatment
of the truth and wisdom of God.

i have given you tons of scriptures to answer this simple question Nick. Go through them again and find it.
Jesus Christ (the flesh) is referring to the Father (God, Spirit, uncreated, without beginning and end). Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in Him.

Pray that ye may understand

September 1, 2006 at 1:36 am#27119

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 30 2006,07:49)

HI WS2,
I do not call scripture any such thing.
I love scripture and believe it.
It says that Jesus is the SON OF GOD.

Those who use trickery to try to show from scripture
that God never had a son
deserve to be asked to justify such mistreatment
of the truth and wisdom of God.

even so nick, i believe in the same. lets be clear about that

September 1, 2006 at 1:47 am#27120

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Hi WS2,
You have posted some good things here
But when you say
“God is omnipresent, He is present in heaven, in earth, in hell, in our hearts, in Christ and everywhere. Nothing is hid from him.”
Is God living in sinners, or only within those that His Spirit has been born into?
I would say the latter.
And

“Therefore when the fullness of the Godhead (Spirit) dwelt in Christ (Body) in union with his own spirit, they become one flesh.”

God dwelled in his flesh, within his being, but did not partake of that flesh or God would have died surely?

September 1, 2006 at 1:50 am#27121

Participant

Hi WS2,
You say
” Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in Him”
I agree. He spoke as the vessel of God
and God spoke through him such as in Jn 2.19

” 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

September 1, 2006 at 6:37 am#27138

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Quote (wind_slasher52 @ Sep. 01 2006,21:34)

Are you saying that Jesus Christ is the actual flesh?

If so, then what is his soul if he is the flesh?

Matthew 26:38
Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”

September 4, 2006 at 7:18 am#27299

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 01 2006,02:50)

” 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Hi Nick!

QUESTION

You have posted some good things here

But when you say

“God is omnipresent, He is present in heaven, in

earth, in hell, in our hearts, in Christ and

everywhere. Nothing is hid from him.”

Is
God living in sinners, or only within those that

His Spirit has been born into?

I would say the latter.

ANSWER.

GOD BEING PRESENT EVERYWHERE DOESN’T MEAN HE IS CONSENTIOUS

WITH EVERYTHING. GOD IS PRESENT EVERYWHERE, EVEN IN HELL.

Psa
139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:

if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

GOD IS EVEN PRESENT IN SINNERS FOR ONLY HE CAN KNOW THEIR HEARTS.

1Ch 28:9 for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth

all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him,

he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will

cast thee off forever.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

HE WILL JUDGE SINNERS AND SAINTS ACCORDING THEIR WORKS AS HE SEARCHETH ALL THEIR HEARTS ALIKE.
Rev 2:23 … I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

BUT HIS PRESENCE IN THEM IS THAT THEY SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE AND BE SAVED.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
2Pe 3:9 but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

QUESTION:

“Therefore when the fullness of the Godhead (Spirit)

dwelt in Christ (Body) in union with his own spirit,

they become one flesh.”

God dwelled in his flesh, within his being, but did

not partake of that flesh or God would have died

surely?

ANSWER:

GOD CANNOT DIE FOR HE HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END. HE IS

OMNIPOTENT AND EVEN DEATH HAS NO POWER OVER OUR UNCREATED,

ETERNAL ONE TRUE LIVING GOD.

WHEN JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, (OR “GAVE HIS LIFE VOLUNTARILY”

FOR NO MAN CAN TAKE IT UNLESS HE GAVE IT WILLINGLY). IT WAS

FOR A NECESSITY THAT THE SCRIPTURES AND PROPHECY AND THE WILL

OF GOD CONCERNING HIM MUST BE FULLFILLED.

YES THE GOD (SPIRIT, FATHER) THAT DWELLS IN JESUS DID NOT DIE

WITH HIM. BUT THE FLESH, THE CHRIST (LAMB OF GOD) HAD TO GO

THROUGH DEATH THAT THE LAW MAY BE FULFILLED, THAT HE MAY

CONQUER THE GRAVE AND THE STING OF DEATH.

1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy

victory?

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin

is the law.

1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

FOR THE PAYMENT OF SINS THAT THE WORD OF GOD MAY BE FULFILLED.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God

is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

HE MUST AFTER PAYMENT OF SINS, MAN CAN NOW BE SAVED THROUGH

FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST AND OBEDIENCE TO HIS GOSPEL WHICH IS THE

POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION (FAITH, REPENTANCE, BAPTISM BY

WATER EMERSION IN JESUS’ NAME, AND RECEIVING THE BAPTISM OF

THE HOLY
GHOST).

QUESTION:

You say

” Many times Jesus spoke as a man in the flesh. And

many times He spoke as the God (Father) who dwells in

Him”

I agree. He spoke as the vessel of God

and God spoke through him such as in Jn 2.19

” 19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this

temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

ANSWER:

AMEN BROTHER, AMEN

QUESTION:

Are you saying that Jesus Christ is the actual flesh?

If so, then what is his soul if he is the flesh?

Matthew 26:38

Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with

sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch

with me.”

ANSWER:

JESUS CHRIST, IN HIS BEING THE SON OF MAN IS OF THE SAME

MATERIAL MADE AS PROPHESIED (GEN 3:15). ALL FLESH WERE BORN

WITH THE SAME BASIC ELEMENTS WHICH INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING:

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the
dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man

became a living soul.

THE PHYSICAL EARTHLY BODY,

Generally speaking, the Old Testament language employs no fixed

term for the human body as an entire organism in exact

opposition to “soul” or “spirit.” Various terms were employed,

each of which denotes only one part or element of the physical

nature, such as “trunk,” “bones,” “belly,” “bowels,” “reins,”

“flesh,” these parts being used, by synecdoche, for the whole:

“bone,” or “skeleton,”

THE SOUL, n.

1. The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man,

which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which

enables him to think and reason, and which renders him a subject

of moral government.

THE
SPIRIT

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life — not a literal

act, but a portion of God’s Spirit breathed to man

in creating His image and likeness)making him unique compared

to other creatures created. And man became a living soul.

This phrase shows that man’s life originated in a different

way from his body – being implanted
directly by God (Ecc_12:7),

and hence in the new creation of the soul Christ breathed on

His disciples (Joh_20:22). They received the Spirit of God,

(Acts 2:4)

September 4, 2006 at 10:22 am#27300

Participant

Hi WS2,

“
THE
SPIRIT

breathed into his nostrils the breath of life — not a literal

act, but a portion of God’s Spirit breathed to man

in creating His image and likeness)making him unique compared

to other creatures created. And man became a living soul.

This phrase shows that man’s life originated in a different

way from his body – being implanted
directly by God (Ecc_12:7),

and hence in the new creation of the soul Christ breathed on

His disciples (Joh_20:22). They received the Spirit of God,

(Acts 2:4)”

The breath of God that formed the soul and the living spirit of man is not the Spirit of God, it is the breath of God. Even animals were enlivened by that divine breath.

That life giving breath as our spirit still belongs to God and returns to God. By that breath of God in us God knows our hearts. The breath is IN all of creation but the Spirit is WITH all creation and only IN the vessels God pours His Spirit into.

Jesus breathed on the disciples to give them the Spirit but for works of power he commanded that they await the full baptism of the Spirit.

Like a Word, breath is expelled from a being
and God never expels or
becomes separate from His Finger,
the Spirit.

September 4, 2006 at 10:30 am#27301

Participant

Hi WS2,
Good post.

September 5, 2006 at 6:03 am#27377

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Q. The breath of God that formed the soul and the living spirit of man is not the Spirit of God, it is the breath of God. Even animals were enlivened by that divine breath.

ANS. ISBE LATIN TRANSLATION OF THE WORD SPIRIT IS
Spirit – spir´it (רוּח, rūaḥ; πνεῦμα, pneúma; Latin, spiritus):
1. Primary and Figurative Senses
(1) As Wind, Breath

Webster defined the word spirit in the same latin meaning
SPIR'IT, n. [L. spiritus, from spiro, to breathe, to blow. The primary sense is to rush or drive .]

Hebrew translation of the same word according to Strongs Bible Dictionary translates the word Spirit into “rûach “(roo'-akh)
meaning; wind; by resemblance breath, that is, a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively life, a, by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its _expression and functions): – air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit ([-ual]), tempest, X vain, ([whirl-]) wind (-y).

ALL LIFE COMES FROM GOD, AND THE LIFE THEY/WE HAVE IS BUT A FRAGMENT OF BORROWED LIMITTED TIME (lifetime) FROM HIM, THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF ALL LIFE
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Act 17:25 …, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

JESUS SPOKE TO NICODEMUS THE NEW BIRTH EXPERIENCE AND LIKENED THE BIRTH IN THE SPIRIT AS THE WIND BLOWING (MAN receiving THE BREATH OF GOD)

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Q. That life giving breath as our spirit still belongs to God and returns to God. By that breath of God in us God knows our hearts. The breath is IN all of creation but the Spirit is WITH all creation and only IN the vessels God pours His Spirit into.

ANS. ALL VESSELS ARE VESSELS MADE BY GOD. ORIGINALLY, HE CREATED THEM TO BE GOOD, OR HAS THE CAPACITY TO DO GOOD, THEY ALL HAVE LIFE IN THEM FROM GOD. BUT SIN POLLUTED THEM ALL, SINCE THEN ALL THINGS BECOME FILTHY (IN SIN) IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ALL HAVE SINNED, AND THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH. GOD HATES THE SIN, NOT THE SINNER. GOD SENT FORTH HIS SON TO SAVE THE SINNERS FROM SIN AND DEATH. YES, ONLY IN THE VESSEL CALLED MAN WILL GOD POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT TO BE REBORN FROM DEATH BROUGHT BY SIN, TO LIFE BY JESUS CHRIST

Q. Jesus breathed on the disciples to give them the Spirit but for works of power he commanded that they await the full baptism of the Spirit.

ANS. AMEN.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Q. Like a Word, breath is expelled from a being and God never expels or becomes separate from His Finger, the Spirit.

ANS. GOD IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER LIVING CREATURE THAT NEEDS TO BREATHE IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. IT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY. GOD’S WORD (COMMAND OF EXECUTION) HE SENDS IT AND IT WILL RETURN TO HIM ACCOPLISHING ITS PURPOSE.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

GOD IS OMNIPRESENT, HE IS EVERYWHERE, HE IS LIFE ITSELF IN ITS PUREST FORM AND ORIGINAL SOURCE. HIS SPIRIT NEED NOT DEPART FROM HIM NOR DIMINISHED IN ANY WAY THAT OTHER CREATURES MAYBE GIVEN LIFE

September 5, 2006 at 6:21 am#27380

Participant

Hi WS2
“Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. ”

This does not say the Spirit is wind, or breath,
but describes how IT IS EXPERIENCED by those whom it leads.

Scripture never says that
the breath of God
is
the Spirit of God
and we should not make such vast assumptions.

September 6, 2006 at 9:43 pm#27468

Participant

Isn't breath and spirit in the OT the same Hebrew word?
I can't check it out at the moment but will do when I get home.

September 6, 2006 at 10:24 pm#27471

Participant

Hi t8

Gen 1.1f
“1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the SPIRIT of God moved upon the face of the waters. “

Transliteration:
ruwach {roo'-akh}
Word Origin:
from 7306
TDNT:
2131a
Part of Speech:
noun feminine
Usage in the KJV:
Spirit or spirit 232, wind 92, breath 27, side 6, mind 5, blast 4, vain 2, air 1, anger 1, cool 1, courage 1, misc 6

It can be translated Spirit or Breath.

compare the BREATH of God

Gen 2.7
“7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH of life; and man became a living soul”.

Transliteration:
n@shamah {nesh-aw-maw'}
Word Origin:
from 5395
TDNT:
1433a
Part of Speech:
noun feminine
Usage in the KJV:
breath 17, blast 3, spirit 2, inspiration 1, souls 1

Total: 24
Definition:
breath, spirit
breath (of God)
breath (of man)
every breathing thing
spirit (of man)

It is never translated SPIRIT of GOD but is spirit of man.

September 6, 2006 at 11:13 pm#27481

Participant

Thanks Nick.

September 7, 2006 at 3:08 am#27515