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Hi brother Marty,
I appreciate your post above. But the Hebrew Passover was nothing to do with sin atonement except the day of atonement. Early Christians had interpreted every thing as per their will and wish to prove Jesus' death in terms of Jewish traditions. I don't agree with such arguments.Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2010,15:14) Adam, Are you attempting to claim that someone inserted writing into the gospels that was not actually part of them. I am not going to disagree with that claim ads is true in some cases. I happen to know that some of what is written in our modern versions is questionable and that issue has been addressed in various threads on this board. I generally refer to them as transcribing errors if they prove to be false. I also know translators make mistakes. The goal is to filter out such errors and come to the truth.
Hi brother Kerwin,
You seem to be so much soft on Christian forgers who tried to force their dogma into the written scriptures. They are called pious forgeries. Read history you will know how much forgery was there in the eraliest Christian writings who claimed themselves as some Apostles who wrote the particular book.Adam,
Why should I accuse another of evil without evidence to back up the accusation? The only evidence I have is that potentially false scriptures have entered the bible and scripture may has been deleted. Some were most likely done by corrupt individuals who I certainly would not refer to as pious and others were done by ignorant men who errored in different ways. I have heard that some of these errors resulted from the transcriber confusing notes made by a reader with the actual scriptures themselves while other could well be scripture omitted in one manuscript and not added in another. The accusation, whether true of false, is irrelevant to the resolution of the situation.
I think you do not understand. All of this is of no real importance to me for the simple reason that what is important is whether I hear God speaking in scripture or not. I do him speaking and the message he speaks is how to obtain a righteousness that is like his. That message is consistent with his unchanging good and righteous nation. I a teacher of God came speaking the same message then I believe my soul would chase it for that message is my food and drink a food and drink that is satisfying for me though truthfully I do not believe I have enough as my hunger still gnaws at me. It is my fondest desire to do all God commands at all times. I am tired of doing evil. Still, I understand that God is doing what he can to change me at his fastest pace knowing he can do all things except evil. This is good enough for me as the only obstacle to his success is me.
Quote (kerwin @ June 04 2010,21:50) Adam, Why should I accuse another of evil without evidence to back up the accusation? The only evidence I have is that potentially false scriptures have entered the bible and scripture may has been deleted. Some were most likely done by corrupt individuals who I certainly would not refer to as pious and others were done by ignorant men who errored in different ways. I have heard that some of these errors resulted from the transcriber confusing notes made by a reader with the actual scriptures themselves while other could well be scripture omitted in one manuscript and not added in another. The accusation, whether true of false, is irrelevant to the resolution of the situation.
I think you do not understand. All of this is of no real importance to me for the simple reason that what is important is whether I hear God speaking in scripture or not. I do him speaking and the message he speaks is how to obtain a righteousness that is like his. That message is consistent with his unchanging good and righteous nation. I a teacher of God came speaking the same message then I believe my soul would chase it for that message is my food and drink a food and drink that is satisfying for me though truthfully I do not believe I have enough as my hunger still gnaws at me. It is my fondest desire to do all God commands at all times. I am tired of doing evil. Still, I understand that God is doing what he can to change me at his fastest pace knowing he can do all things except evil. This is good enough for me as the only obstacle to his success is me.
Hi brother Kerwin,
Closing ears to listening to the history is not good for a person who is searching the truth. The Biblical Canon is man made which is from human bias. The books of NT are the theologically and christologically developed writings but not dictations of God. This has been proved by the Biblical scholars. Yes God can speak to us in any way through any medium He doesn't need the so called holy scriptures which were mere creation of human mind and hand.Adam,
I still do not believe you understand me. Jesus declared that we cannot come to him except if God leads us. I hold that statement to be true. Why do you think anyone this realm or of the spiritual realm can obstruct God. It cannot be done unless God desires and if he does then he has a good purpose for it. Scripture tells me that the ignorant and corrupt will cast snares for my feet and I have no doubt that is true. I just know that God will lead me in ways that avoid those traps and overcome all obstacles. You claim that there are snares and traps and my answer is what importance is that though it aids me to know of them. The bottom line is I already been instructed by God to test the spirit of what I hear and thus it is with my soul I listen and I hope my soul is guided by God. If it is not then it is irrelevant as I will only look for a wicked path to follow.
I am glad that you agree that God can speak through any media but he also can use even transcription and translation errors for his good and righteous purpose even if it is only to test the hearts of men.
Hi KW,
So the scriptures are not holy?
How do you hope to find light?In your own intellect?
Whosoever wants to save his own life will lose it.
Nick,
If by “holy” you mean “worthy of complete devotion as one perfect in goodness and righteousness” then the answer is “no”. They are created it is the Creater I choose to worship. To worship scripture is idolitry and it is my hope to escape from the chains of Satan.
I seek God and his righteousness through faith and put my trust in him to guide me. Scripture is but one tool he chooses to use for that purpose but Satan has inserted pitfalls within its pages. Never the less I trust God to guide me unharmed though the obstacle course the evil one has laid for God is my only hope for dong right.
Satan is immensly more intelligent and tricky that me and I am helpless before him. It is only the power of God acting through Jesus that can free me from him.
Hi KW,
How does scripture define HOLY?The temple components are holy.
Garments can be holy.
Days can be holy
The saved are holy
Their children are holyCheck the bible before seeking a dictionary
Nick Hassan,
I assume you are pointing out that the definition I attributed to “holy” was not the definition you meant. That is fine. It sounds like you mean “treat it as worthy of respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person”. If that is so then I do treat is as worthy of awer inspired by how wise the words within its pages are. At the same time I realize the enemy has inserted traps within its pages. I believe you also know this because you have questioned if certain scriptures actually belong within.
As for using the dictionary to determine a words definition. That is its purpose. I believe Dictionaries only give general definitions and the English language is know to play fast and loose with a definition or change meaning over time. There is also human error. Because of that is so you have to test to see if the definition fits the context of scripture or if their is a variation of it that does.
Nick,
I am constantly seeking more knowledge of God and if he will me it a greater portion of godly wisdom.
I strive not to add or subtract from God's word as my purposes is to understand and stand in awe of it.
May God bless me so my stiving is not in vain.
Nick,
Is sounds like you are attempting to use God's word to contract him as we are instructed to ask, seek, and knock.
I assume that is not your intent so please be careful how you choose your words.
Quote (kerwin @ June 05 2010,15:16) Adam, I still do not believe you understand me. Jesus declared that we cannot come to him except if God leads us. I hold that statement to be true. Why do you think anyone this realm or of the spiritual realm can obstruct God. It cannot be done unless God desires and if he does then he has a good purpose for it. Scripture tells me that the ignorant and corrupt will cast snares for my feet and I have no doubt that is true. I just know that God will lead me in ways that avoid those traps and overcome all obstacles. You claim that there are snares and traps and my answer is what importance is that though it aids me to know of them. The bottom line is I already been instructed by God to test the spirit of what I hear and thus it is with my soul I listen and I hope my soul is guided by God. If it is not then it is irrelevant as I will only look for a wicked path to follow.
I am glad that you agree that God can speak through any media but he also can use even transcription and translation errors for his good and righteous purpose even if it is only to test the hearts of men.
Hi brother Kerwin,
I now understand you as a fellow inquirer into the truth about understanding God of the Bible. I thank you for seeing the human error in the written scriptures. I am only worried about the concepts of Monotheist nature of God has been twisted by Christianity and deviated from true path of Hebrew Bible.Thanks and peace to you
AdamAdam,
It is with great sadness that I admit that there will be those that twist the scripture because of either their ignorance or corruption but we cannot let their actions destroy our faith.
It is my concern that you have done just that. That is a deadly path to follow.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2010,13:33) Hi GM,
We should be much more concerned about the error introduced by weak human logic
Flawed logic is not really logic.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 05 2010,14:38) Hi KW,.
Every man is the judge of his own 'logic”
Not a strong or unified foundation.
Hardly as some men judge their logic while carried along by the Spirit of God. That is why God instructs us to test the spirits of what we hear and believe.Hi KW,
Do you think testing the spirits is according to LOGIC?Back to the subject.
The body of Jesus [heb 10.10]was offered by the Lord Jesus who now is Spirit[2cor3] and who is the eternal High Priest[heb7.17].
He took his own blood into the heavenly holy place[heb9.11-24] to His Father.
His flesh was the curtain that was torn[heb 10.20]
He is no longer of the flesh,[heb5.7]
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