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anything said in this video is known to any men who lives on earth if he want it to know it ,he does not have to go to the third heaven neither , this is to me crap.religion.
I disagree, I thought the bit about how “Christians” are lulled to sleep by the placebo of limited knowledge, with no relationship required, pretty well sums up “Christianity” today.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Sep. 17 2012,09:53) I disagree, I thought the bit about how “Christians” are lulled to sleep by the placebo of limited knowledge, with no relationship required, pretty well sums up “Christianity” today.
LK 8:12 “Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.I believe it is closer to the next verse: 13 And those upon the rock [are the people] who, when they hear [the Word], receive and welcome it with joy; but these have no root. They believe for a while, and in time of trial and temptation fall away (withdraw and stand aloof).
Thanks t8, that was worthwhile to listen to. This is the passage that came to my mind while listening to it:
1 Cor 10
1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,b but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Cor 10 ,THIS SCRIPTURE IS ADDRESSED BY PAUL TO A FAITHFUL CONGREGATION AND SO MUST BE UNDERSTOOD IN THIS WAY, WE CANNOT GENERALIZE THE GOOD TO SERVE THE WICKED ,BUT THIS IS ONLY MY UNDERSTANDING
A love relationship with the creator…Father, Son and their Spirit and a love relationship with those who are in unity with you in that fellowship with the Father, Son and their Spirit, and a loving character and heart towards even the wicked is what is part of the true church, from what I can tell.
Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,04:38) t8 anything said in this video is known to any men who lives on earth if he want it to know it ,he does not have to go to the third heaven neither , this is to me crap.religion.
Hi T.Remember that this was back in the 1970s and if God showed him this, then calling it crap is saying that to God is it not?
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 20 2012,15:43) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2012,04:38) t8 anything said in this video is known to any men who lives on earth if he want it to know it ,he does not have to go to the third heaven neither , this is to me crap.religion.
Hi T.Remember that this was back in the 1970s and if God showed him this, then calling it crap is saying that to God is it not?
t8No,it is not of God ,this is why I said whatever he said could be known if you really want it;
this world including religions are using the ignorance of the people to advance their own interest ,
one more thing ;any thing that one men can receive from God ,also all can receive if they ask in the right way ,and with their hearts ,and soul ,if God need to do something and it is for us to do then God will take action accordingly and let us know ,
in the video ;what is it that would bring the relationship from us to God in a more closer and truth full way ,??? I could not see anything ,the experience of a man is for his own inside ,
if it can benefit the whole congregation that's better ,but the question would be how did it help anyone
this is why I have called crap of religion.some even go and mixed the love of and for God between the the true believer ,and their God and the command to love your enemies ,what as not the same purpose than the first one ,so it create a certain confusion ,but to the ignorant it would be calling on his emotion and the reasoning there of .
truth as no age
Hi T, I find your following quote to be contradictory and your stance to be very strange. I didn't realise till now that you were like this.
Quote No,it is not of God ,this is why I said whatever he said could be known if you really want it; I say that if the experience lines up with what is already known truth, then it is good because it is true. It is only bad if it doesn't line up.
No one is saying that it was new revelation, and the fact that it is not new doesn't qualify it as crap. In fact if it was new and had no other backing i.e., was not already known in other ways, then you could make the argument that it is wrong.That being the case, it is lose lose either way with your view because if it is not scriptural it is wrong and if it is, then it is crap because we already know it.
You are the one who controls your own tongue as you are the captain of your own ship, but if you steer yourself into rocks, then that is your decision of course, but we are at least allowed to give you a warning. Likewise, saying that something is true and crap is not wise IMO and I am just saying this to help you. I have no other motive but to assist you.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 21 2012,18:01) Hi T, I find your following quote to be contradictory and your stance to be very strange. I didn't realise till now that you were like this. Quote No,it is not of God ,this is why I said whatever he said could be known if you really want it; I say that if the experience lines up with what is already known truth, then it is good because it is true. It is only bad if it doesn't line up.
No one is saying that it was new revelation, and the fact that it is not new doesn't qualify it as crap. In fact if it was new and had no other backing i.e., was not already known in other ways, then you could make the argument that it is wrong.That being the case, it is lose lose either way with your view because if it is not scriptural it is wrong and if it is, then it is crap because we already know it.
You are the one who controls your own tongue as you are the captain of your own ship, but if you steer yourself into rocks, then that is your decision of course, but we are at least allowed to give you a warning. Likewise, saying that something is true and crap is not wise IMO and I am just saying this to help you. I have no other motive but to assist you.
t8ok ,I see now what you mean ,I am sorry to come so strong about it ,
but let me rephrase my wording ;
the video is about one man experience;
now looking at all he as said and what he said is known ,true ,
but then why associate that experience with that knowledge that we know to be from either history or of God
what would the true purpose of it be
this is not like Paul experiences because of his preaching ,so the only thing that came to my mind was that he was looking for some glory or recognition of some sort ,for himself.
I do appreciate the fact that you intervene in this because some time I can not say things the way i really want to ,so thanks ,
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2012,15:03) but then why associate that experience with that knowledge that we know to be from either history or of God what would the true purpose of it be this is not like Paul experiences because of his preaching ,
Hi T.Cool, we are essentially on the same page.
With regard to these 2 questions, my guess is as follows.
1) He is relaying his death experience. Not making up a story from that which is already known.
2) If God gives us a testimony, then who are we to not share it.
Hopefully I understood your questions correctly.
Of course if he did not have a death experience and did not see this, then he is trying to sell books.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 21 2012,19:53) Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 21 2012,15:03) but then why associate that experience with that knowledge that we know to be from either history or of God what would the true purpose of it be this is not like Paul experiences because of his preaching ,
Hi T.Cool, we are essentially on the same page.
With regard to these 2 questions, my guess is as follows.
1) He is relaying his death experience. Not making up a story from that which is already known.
2) If God gives us a testimony, then who are we to not share it.
Hopefully I understood your questions correctly.
Of course if he did not have a death experience and did not see this, then he is trying to sell books.
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