- This topic is empty.
- Posts
Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 27 2009,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,05:03) Hi WJ,
You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?
You don't worship Jesus in anyone's name.
You worship The Father in Jesus' Name.Jesus is the bridge from Mankind to YHWH…you must cross the bridge if you are to get to YHWH.
But without that bridge you could never get to YHWH, so that bridge needs to be respected. But even more so, respect the one who built the bridge.
Hi Rokkaman,
This is another point that we differ in. I do worship Jesus as the Son and my savior, for He didn't have to come in flesh and suffer and die for us and He doesn't have to be our mediator or brother but He was willing and He is awesome, someone perfect to follow. I also worship His God…my Father and also my savior since He came up with the way of salvation, provided the sacrifice and accepted the sacrifice just for starters.It seems like so many just talk about Jesus as someone to “use” to get to the Father. He is not someone to use to get what you want. He is someone to follow and adore.
How is it that the angels are told to worship Jesus and many here don't think that is what we should do? The angels are already in the presence of the Father, they don't need to cross over the “bridge” of Jesus to get to the Father and He didn't die for them yet they worship Him. Stop using Jesus…follow Him. Think about it everyone.
Blessings,
KathiHi LU,
He worshiped the Father and told true worshipers [Jn4] to do the same?
Can we worship the one we are in?Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2009,12:58) Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 27 2009,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,05:03) Hi WJ,
You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?
You don't worship Jesus in anyone's name.
You worship The Father in Jesus' Name.Jesus is the bridge from Mankind to YHWH…you must cross the bridge if you are to get to YHWH.
But without that bridge you could never get to YHWH, so that bridge needs to be respected. But even more so, respect the one who built the bridge.
Hi Rokkaman,
This is another point that we differ in. I do worship Jesus as the Son and my savior, for He didn't have to come in flesh and suffer and die for us and He doesn't have to be our mediator or brother but He was willing and He is awesome, someone perfect to follow. I also worship His God…my Father and also my savior since He came up with the way of salvation, provided the sacrifice and accepted the sacrifice just for starters.It seems like so many just talk about Jesus as someone to “use” to get to the Father. He is not someone to use to get what you want. He is someone to follow and adore.
How is it that the angels are told to worship Jesus and many here don't think that is what we should do? The angels are already in the presence of the Father, they don't need to cross over the “bridge” of Jesus to get to the Father and He didn't die for them yet they worship Him. Stop using Jesus…follow Him. Think about it everyone.
Blessings,
Kathi
The Quran states that the angels were all to bow and worship man and they all did except Satan:34 And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis(Satan). He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)
So as you can see the angels were also told to bow(worship) before Adam.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 28 2009,21:11) Hi LU,
So it would be like the vine being worshiped by the branch?
The Head worshiped by the toe?
LOL Nick…”the head worshiped by the toe?” Where do you come up with this stuff? BTW the “branch” does depend totally on the vine. the branch can't exist if it weren't for the action of the vine. Cling to the vine, Nick.LU
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2009,21:21) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2009,12:58) Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 27 2009,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,05:03) Hi WJ,
You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?
You don't worship Jesus in anyone's name.
You worship The Father in Jesus' Name.Jesus is the bridge from Mankind to YHWH…you must cross the bridge if you are to get to YHWH.
But without that bridge you could never get to YHWH, so that bridge needs to be respected. But even more so, respect the one who built the bridge.
Hi Rokkaman,
This is another point that we differ in. I do worship Jesus as the Son and my savior, for He didn't have to come in flesh and suffer and die for us and He doesn't have to be our mediator or brother but He was willing and He is awesome, someone perfect to follow. I also worship His God…my Father and also my savior since He came up with the way of salvation, provided the sacrifice and accepted the sacrifice just for starters.It seems like so many just talk about Jesus as someone to “use” to get to the Father. He is not someone to use to get what you want. He is someone to follow and adore.
How is it that the angels are told to worship Jesus and many here don't think that is what we should do? The angels are already in the presence of the Father, they don't need to cross over the “bridge” of Jesus to get to the Father and He didn't die for them yet they worship Him. Stop using Jesus…follow Him. Think about it everyone.
Blessings,
Kathi
The Quran states that the angels were all to bow and worship man and they all did except Satan:34 And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis(Satan). He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)
So as you can see the angels were also told to bow(worship) before Adam.
Hi Bo,
Thanks for pointing out yet another difference between the Qua'ran and the Bible. The Bible warns about those that worship the creation.
See here:Rom 1:21-25
21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
NASUAngels help us but they aren't to worship us, Bo.
Kathi
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2009,14:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 28 2009,21:11) Hi LU,
So it would be like the vine being worshiped by the branch?
The Head worshiped by the toe?
LOL Nick…”the head worshiped by the toe?” Where do you come up with this stuff? BTW the “branch” does depend totally on the vine. the branch can't exist if it weren't for the action of the vine. Cling to the vine, Nick.LU
Hi LU,
Exactly.
1Cor 12.19f
If the branch does not allow the flow of sap it dies and is cut off[Jn15]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,00:30) Hi LU,
So we should not follow Jesus on this one but worship him as well as his Father/God?
Nick,
We worship him as we follow Him. His kingdom is eternal. Are you going to also have your own eternal kingdom? Or are you going to be in someone else's kingdom?
LUQuote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2009,14:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 28 2009,21:21) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2009,12:58) Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 27 2009,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,05:03) Hi WJ,
You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?
You don't worship Jesus in anyone's name.
You worship The Father in Jesus' Name.Jesus is the bridge from Mankind to YHWH…you must cross the bridge if you are to get to YHWH.
But without that bridge you could never get to YHWH, so that bridge needs to be respected. But even more so, respect the one who built the bridge.
Hi Rokkaman,
This is another point that we differ in. I do worship Jesus as the Son and my savior, for He didn't have to come in flesh and suffer and die for us and He doesn't have to be our mediator or brother but He was willing and He is awesome, someone perfect to follow. I also worship His God…my Father and also my savior since He came up with the way of salvation, provided the sacrifice and accepted the sacrifice just for starters.It seems like so many just talk about Jesus as someone to “use” to get to the Father. He is not someone to use to get what you want. He is someone to follow and adore.
How is it that the angels are told to worship Jesus and many here don't think that is what we should do? The angels are already in the presence of the Father, they don't need to cross over the “bridge” of Jesus to get to the Father and He didn't die for them yet they worship Him. Stop using Jesus…follow Him. Think about it everyone.
Blessings,
Kathi
The Quran states that the angels were all to bow and worship man and they all did except Satan:34 And when We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis(Satan). He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #34)
So as you can see the angels were also told to bow(worship) before Adam.
Hi Bo,
Thanks for pointing out yet another difference between the Qua'ran and the Bible. The Bible warns about those that worship the creation.
See here:Rom 1:21-25
21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
NASUAngels help us but they aren't to worship us, Bo.
Kathi
You seem to understand incorrectly because you yourself said that the angels were told to bow to Jesus as a created Man.Why are you being inconsistent?
You also insist on worshiping Jesus which is a creation of God even according to your belief he was made to be in flesh.
Just remember that Man was made in the image of God angels were made to Worship God just as we were. How is it you can believe that the angels should worship Jesus but not worship us when the scripture says we shall be like him?
You should study more my beloved
Bo, I don't believe that the Son of God was created and I don't believe that he was a created man. I believe that He dwelled within a man's body with the limits of man and that He existed before this point. So, I do not think that the angels were told to bow to Jesus, a created man. I believe they were told to bow to Jesus, the only begotten Son of God that conquered sin by coming in flesh and dying. When you see him just as a man…a prophet I see Him as the actual offspring of my Most High God. I am not being inconsistent, you are just not realizing that there is a difference between being begotten and being created.
A creation has a different nature than his creator. A son has the same nature as his father.
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 30 2009,17:51) Bo, I don't believe that the Son of God was created and I don't believe that he was a created man. I believe that He dwelled within a man's body with the limits of man and that He existed before this point. So, I do not think that the angels were told to bow to Jesus, a created man. I believe they were told to bow to Jesus, the only begotten Son of God that conquered sin by coming in flesh and dying. When you see him just as a man…a prophet I see Him as the actual offspring of my Most High God. I am not being inconsistent, you are just not realizing that there is a difference between being begotten and being created. A creation has a different nature than his creator. A son has the same nature as his father.
Was the flesh of Jesus created?Bo,
It says that He took on a body prepared for Him. I don't think it was a created act but a supernatural reproduction act. I know that I did not create my kids. Creation of man happened in Genesis with Adam and Eve after that man was reproduced. Mankind was created but the man that Jesus was wasn't of this creation. No man came about like He did…no man, not Adam, not anyone.Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 30 2009,18:01) Bo,
It says that He took on a body prepared for Him. I don't think it was a created act but a supernatural reproduction act. I know that I did not create my kids. Creation of man happened in Genesis with Adam and Eve after that man was reproduced. Mankind was created but the man that Jesus was wasn't of this creation. No man came about like He did…no man, not Adam, not anyone.
You think someone else was came about like Adam?Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 30 2009,02:52) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 29 2009,00:30) Hi LU,
So we should not follow Jesus on this one but worship him as well as his Father/God?
Nick,
We worship him as we follow Him. His kingdom is eternal. Are you going to also have your own eternal kingdom? Or are you going to be in someone else's kingdom?
LU
Hi LU,
He did not worship himself.
We follow him do we not?Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 29 2009,12:58) Quote (RokkaMan @ Oct. 27 2009,12:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,05:03) Hi WJ,
You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?
You don't worship Jesus in anyone's name.
You worship The Father in Jesus' Name.Jesus is the bridge from Mankind to YHWH…you must cross the bridge if you are to get to YHWH.
But without that bridge you could never get to YHWH, so that bridge needs to be respected. But even more so, respect the one who built the bridge.
Hi Rokkaman,
This is another point that we differ in. I do worship Jesus as the Son and my savior, for He didn't have to come in flesh and suffer and die for us and He doesn't have to be our mediator or brother but He was willing and He is awesome, someone perfect to follow. I also worship His God…my Father and also my savior since He came up with the way of salvation, provided the sacrifice and accepted the sacrifice just for starters.It seems like so many just talk about Jesus as someone to “use” to get to the Father. He is not someone to use to get what you want. He is someone to follow and adore.
How is it that the angels are told to worship Jesus and many here don't think that is what we should do? The angels are already in the presence of the Father, they don't need to cross over the “bridge” of Jesus to get to the Father and He didn't die for them yet they worship Him. Stop using Jesus…follow Him. Think about it everyone.
Blessings,
Kathi
I don't disagree with that at all, it's an analogy to understand Jesus' role…but instead of beign an impersonal bridge, he's a personal brother…so yes we are to adore, worship, love him with all our heart. And love his and our Father just the same if not more.That's all.
God is our Father and creator.
Jesus is our Lord and Master.Any love or praise you give to the master, also reflects to the one who is master of him…because everything Jesus stands for is a representation of The Father.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 30 2009,18:04) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 30 2009,18:01) Bo,
It says that He took on a body prepared for Him. I don't think it was a created act but a supernatural reproduction act. I know that I did not create my kids. Creation of man happened in Genesis with Adam and Eve after that man was reproduced. Mankind was created but the man that Jesus was wasn't of this creation. No man came about like He did…no man, not Adam, not anyone.
You think someone else was came about like Adam?
Adam and Jesus were equal physically…They had the same equal influence over mankind…physically…
Yet Jesus had a greater power spiritually that is unrivaled by anyone.For one man's sins the world is condemned and destroy, yet for another man's obediance the world is saved and redeemed.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
