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Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,11:03) Hi Ed, We are either teachers or learners or followers, seekers, I am a follower, learner, but I also see things sometimes, if you – Ed, have taken the postition of teacher, you must be sure that what you teach is in agreement with scripture, which is why others question what you are saying sometimes.
Hi Shimmer,People that are set in their ways most always question information that new* to them!
It is their place to see if it is in agreement with scripture! (Acts 17:11)
And that is what you MUST do as well; Shimmer!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
*The word foreign could be substituted here.Quote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,02:14) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,11:05) Otherwise we would all just believe anything anyone said, and theres alot of opinions !
And there is the key!!!
Everyone has their own twist on how to interpret scripture.
Hi Martian,Do you twist scripture?
Does what you say apply you or
do you think they should only apply to others?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,05:45) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2010,04:49) To all, I believe my methods of the interpretation are straight forward in that they rely on the nature of God and thus take into account what God desires in his people and are consistent.
So tell them to me. Do you study Hebrew Culture?
Hi Martian,Please tell us all, what does Hebrew culture have to do with the
interpretation of Scripture apart from understanding the idioms?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:48) Quote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,05:45) Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 22 2010,04:49) To all, I believe my methods of the interpretation are straight forward in that they rely on the nature of God and thus take into account what God desires in his people and are consistent.
So tell them to me. Do you study Hebrew Culture?
Hi Martian,Please tell us all, what does Hebrew culture have to do with the
interpretation of Scripture apart from understanding the idioms?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Do you understand and interpret scripture according to Hebrews naming things according to function and not appearance? In otherwords a person can be called God because he functions as God or savior because he functions as a savior. Look at psalms 82 or john 10.
These people are called Gods because they arer supposed to function as Gods to the people. All of Gods names depict functions of God. This is only one example among dozens that must apply to understanding scripture.Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:43) Quote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,02:14) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 21 2010,11:05) Otherwise we would all just believe anything anyone said, and theres alot of opinions !
And there is the key!!!
Everyone has their own twist on how to interpret scripture.
Hi Martian,Do you twist scripture?
Does what you say apply you or
do you think they should only apply to others?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
This is why there has to be an honest set of principles to interpret scripture so that neither my or others preconcieved ideas color the understanding.
Even with the best intentions one can allow our own wishes to interfere with an accurate understanding. A good set of principles will stop the great majority of this.Quote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,23:48) Do you understand and interpret scripture according to Hebrews naming things according to function and not appearance? In otherwords a person can be called God because he functions as God or savior because he functions as a savior. Look at psalms 82 or john 10.
These people are called Gods because they arer supposed to function as Gods to the people. All of Gods names depict functions of God. This is only one example among dozens that must apply to understanding scripture.
Hi Martian,Proof of GOD=117: seen in lexicology!
…………………God's signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
HolySpirit=151 (“The word”: of “GOD” indwelling in us believers!)
God The Father=117 (Representing God's Name and title GOD: יהוה האלהים)GOD’s Name is expressed [4] times in the AKJV Bible as JEHOVAH and [1] time as JAH;
JEHOVAH is also used in three phrases in reference to the naming of altars.…….. יהוה (YHVH), God's Name translated as “JEHOVAH” in AKJV Bible.
1) JEHOVAH is My Name “YHVH”=63 (Exodus 6:3)
2) JEHOVAH is The Most High “GOD The Father”=117 (Psalm 83:18)
3) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is [The Savior=117] in “Jesus Christ”=151 (Isaiah 12:2)
4) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is Everlasting strength in “Holy Spirit”=151 (Isaiah 26:4)5) JAH (Psalm 68:4) The Name of “GOD”=26 is יהוה=26 spoken as “YÄ”=26 and “YÄ-hä-vā”;
where ä sounds like that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.These constitute God's signature (see above) contained within the AKJV Bible;
matching the five variants the title God is used The Hebrew Masoretic texts
and compared also to the five different spellings for God (Thēôs) in Greek.……..A matching aspect to this “Pattern of Five” in the Greek
There are EXACTLY five words for “God” the Greek (all are pronounced Thēôs); they are…
Four (4) of these are “plural” forms of the word; only one (1) is used in “singular” form.1) θεος
2) θεου
3) θεω
4) θεον5) θεε
……..Also a matching aspect to the five variants for God in The Hebrew Masoretic texts…
Strong’s 426: אלה (ĔL-äh) elah: corresponding to 433; God:-God, god.
Strong’s 6697: צור (tsû-är) tsoor: (Jesus) a rock; a refuge(house); X(times) mighty God, sharp, X(times) stone, X(times) strength.
Strong’s 433: אלוה (ĔL-ō-äh) eloah: from 410; a deity or The Deity:-God, god. See 430
Strong’s 430: אלהים (ĔL-ō-Hêêm) elohiym: plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used in the plural of the supreme God; angels, X(times) exceedingly; God, X(times) great, judges, X(times) mighty.
Strong’s 410: אל (ĔL) ale: mighty; strength; The Almighty (also used of any deity):- God, X(times) goodly, X(times) great; power, strong.………………..The Number 151
God’s Name (יהוה) is WRITTEN EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how
The Gematria value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.The Key=74…………………The God Numbers=151
יהוה=26 ………………………YHVH is One GOD=151 (Psalm 68:4)
YHVH=63 …………………..LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible)
Jesus=74 …………………..Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament)
HolySpirit=151 …………..Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament)
God The Father=117 …..The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)When you’re one step ahead of everyone else, you’re “a Genius”.
If you are two steps ahead of everyone else, you are “a Crackpot”.
When you’re more than two steps ahead, you’re “a Delusional Nutcase”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMartian,
I do look in to the diverse Hebrew culture of the First Century to the extend I can. I have found out that Jesus and his students were most likely of different sects of the same tradition. In addition the teachings of the Pharisees appear to be different than those sects that evolved from them in modern times. When scripture disagrees with what I find then scripture is dominate. Some things in scripture are more precisely defined by Hebrew beliefs and thus I use those beliefs to steer my opinion at those times.
I do look to the original languages for a more correct definition of a word but I also understand my sources are limited and often biased. Words are mystical devices that can change meaning from one point in a sentence to another. Context can help but is not always good at isolating the exact meaning of the word and in some cases can be misleading. In short you must be aware of who God is and therefore what he desires of his people. If you are then you will not be misled for only the truth will make sense to you.
In the scripture is food to feed my desires for righteousness. If I do not find that food then I am misunderstanding or not obeying scriptures.
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 23 2010,00:14) Quote (martian @ Sep. 22 2010,23:48) Do you understand and interpret scripture according to Hebrews naming things according to function and not appearance? In otherwords a person can be called God because he functions as God or savior because he functions as a savior. Look at psalms 82 or john 10.
These people are called Gods because they arer supposed to function as Gods to the people. All of Gods names depict functions of God. This is only one example among dozens that must apply to understanding scripture.
Hi Martian,Proof of GOD=117: seen in lexicology!
…………………God's signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's Name in English is: “Joshua”)
YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
HolySpirit=151 (“The word”: of “GOD” indwelling in us believers!)
God The Father=117 (Representing God's Name and title GOD: יהוה האלהים)GOD’s Name is expressed [4] times in the AKJV Bible as JEHOVAH and [1] time as JAH;
JEHOVAH is also used in three phrases in reference to the naming of altars.…….. יהוה (YHVH), God's Name translated as “JEHOVAH” in AKJV Bible.
1) JEHOVAH is My Name “YHVH”=63 (Exodus 6:3)
2) JEHOVAH is The Most High “GOD The Father”=117 (Psalm 83:18)
3) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is [The Savior=117] in “Jesus Christ”=151 (Isaiah 12:2)
4) The LORD JEHOVAH=151 is Everlasting strength in “Holy Spirit”=151 (Isaiah 26:4)5) JAH (Psalm 68:4) The Name of “GOD”=26 is יהוה=26 spoken as “YÄ”=26 and “YÄ-hä-vā”;
where ä sounds like that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.These constitute God's signature (see above) contained within the AKJV Bible;
matching the five variants the title God is used The Hebrew Masoretic texts
and compared also to the five different spellings for God (Thēôs) in Greek.……..A matching aspect to this “Pattern of Five” in the Greek
There are EXACTLY five words for “God” the Greek (all are pronounced Thēôs); they are…
Four (4) of these are “plural” forms of the word; only one (1) is used in “singular” form.1) θεος
2) θεου
3) θεω
4) θεον5) θεε
……..Also a matching aspect to the five variants for God in The Hebrew Masoretic texts…
Strong’s 426: אלה (ĔL-äh) elah: corresponding to 433; God:-God, god.
Strong’s 6697: צור (tsû-är) tsoor: (Jesus) a rock; a refuge(house); X(times) mighty God, sharp, X(times) stone, X(times) strength.
Strong’s 433: אלוה (ĔL-ō-äh) eloah: from 410; a deity or The Deity:-God, god. See 430
Strong’s 430: אלהים (ĔL-ō-Hêêm) elohiym: plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used in the plural of the supreme God; angels, X(times) exceedingly; God, X(times) great, judges, X(times) mighty.
Strong’s 410: אל (ĔL) ale: mighty; strength; The Almighty (also used of any deity):- God, X(times) goodly, X(times) great; power, strong.………………..The Number 151
God’s Name (יהוה) is WRITTEN EXACTLY 6823 times in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts. See how
The Gematria value of Ιησους Χριστоς=2368 Ē-Ā-Soos Chrĭstŏs (Jesus Christ in Greek)
resembles the number of times God’s Name is used in the Hebrew Masoretic Texts.6823 is the 877th prime number in a long list of primes starting with two (2).
Now this might not seem significant until you realize that the number 877
is the 151st prime number. This number 151 shows “Unity” in Spirit.The Key=74…………………The God Numbers=151
יהוה=26 ………………………YHVH is One GOD=151 (Psalm 68:4)
YHVH=63 …………………..LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible)
Jesus=74 …………………..Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament)
HolySpirit=151 …………..Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament)
God The Father=117 …..The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)When you’re one step ahead of everyone else, you’re “a Genius”.
If you are two steps ahead of everyone else, you are “a Crackpot”.
When you’re more than two steps ahead, you’re “a Delusional Nutcase”.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
If posting this stuff gives you your jollies, then have at it. However I consider it a bunch of silliness and will not respond to it.Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2010,04:16) Martian, I do look in to the diverse Hebrew culture of the First Century to the extend I can. I have found out that Jesus and his students were most likely of different sects of the same tradition. In addition the teachings of the Pharisees appear to be different than those sects that evolved from them in modern times. When scripture disagrees with what I find then scripture is dominate. Some things in scripture are more precisely defined by Hebrew beliefs and thus I use those beliefs to steer my opinion at those times.
I do look to the original languages for a more correct definition of a word but I also understand my sources are limited and often biased. Words are mystical devices that can change meaning from one point in a sentence to another. Context can help but is not always good at isolating the exact meaning of the word and in some cases can be misleading. In short you must be aware of who God is and therefore what he desires of his people. If you are then you will not be misled for only the truth will make sense to you.
In the scripture is food to feed my desires for righteousness. If I do not find that food then I am misunderstanding or not obeying scriptures.
You say –
In short you must be aware of who God is and therefore what he desires of his people
Reply-
How do you know who God is or what his desires are for you? Most will say the scriptures and I agree. But a systems of checks and tests must be in place when interpreting scripture to insure that our ideas are correct. Seeing how our conclusions bear fruit is one of the primary tests.All,
I see scripture as God's way of speaking to me, I pray and God gives me scripture, example say I am praying and I get in my thoughts Psalms 36:10 it is from God, and I feel I have to go look it up, most of the time it is exactly what I was praying about or whatever I asked in prayer. I start reading at the point I was given and keep reading usually till the end of the chapter. This has happened to me on and off for years. It's no coincidence. It's too exact. And I don't know scripture verses so it's not like I remembered it or anything.
Martian,
If you are led my God then your soul will be aware of what he wants from his people. Scripture just makes us knowledgeable by placing a name on those desires. That is what it means to hunger and thirst for righteousness and being led by God.
Quote (kerwin @ Sep. 23 2010,09:04) Martian, If you are led my God then your soul will be aware of what he wants from his people. Scripture just makes us knowledgeable by placing a name on those desires. That is what it means to hunger and thirst for righteousness and being led by God.
And if I believe that God is leading me to paint my face Green and deliver a truck load of manure to the White House, that is OK?
There are many who believe that the kind of prophetic leading you “seem” to be expressing is all that is needed to know the will of God or the process that Jesus went through. That is why we have a “more sure word of prophecy”
Our spiritual leading must fall in line with the scriptures. To understand scripture there must be a good and honest method of interpretation in place.A good clue to the honesty of a researcher is when they are open about their processes and how they come to their conclusions. Those who keep these things hidden usually have something to hide. Most likely they are hiding the fact that they have no clue how to prove their points other then their opinion.
Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,11:01) A good clue to the honesty of a researcher is when they are open about their processes and how they come to their conclusions. Those who keep these things hidden usually have something to hide. Most likely they are hiding the fact that they have no clue how to prove their points other then their opinion.
Martianwe can not explain it better than Jesus did;;Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Pierre
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:26) Quote (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,10:53)
I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas.
If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them. I am always open to suggestion. Show me their fruit, application and honesty.
Hi Martian,This blanket statement (of yours) is in question in regard to truthfulness!
People must understand “The Bible” in it's entirety, but how can they without
first understanding many of the individual pieces? a sort of ‘catch 22’ situation here!Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” can be understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!
This is THE ONLY WAY to interpret “The Bible”; are you truly open to this suggestion?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Hi Martian,You never responded to this Post to you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:40) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:26) Quote (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,10:53)
I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas.
If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them. I am always open to suggestion. Show me their fruit, application and honesty.
Hi Martian,This blanket statement (of yours) is in question in regard to truthfulness!
People must understand “The Bible” in it's entirety, but how can they without
first understanding many of the individual pieces? a sort of ‘catch 22’ situation here!Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” can be understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!
This is THE ONLY WAY to interpret “The Bible”; are you truly open to this suggestion?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Hi Martian,You never responded to this Post to you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I am always open to the leading of the Spirit and if I truly get a leading from the Spirit I know it will never contradict the Bible. However to know what the Bible is really saying there must be a systems of principles to guide us into an accurate interpretation. If we lived in Israel at the time of Christ and had been raised in the cultural, geographical, historical, and languages of that time we would need less help. Unfortunately we live in another land and language. Our culture is vastly different and two thousand years have passed. For this reason we must endeavor to understand the scripture (To check our spiritual leadings) from the perspective of the time it was written.Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,07:40) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2010,17:26) Quote (martian @ Sep. 21 2010,10:53)
I did not judge you personally. I judged your ideas.
If you think you have other ideas of interpretation then voice them. I am always open to suggestion. Show me their fruit, application and honesty.
Hi Martian,This blanket statement (of yours) is in question in regard to truthfulness!
People must understand “The Bible” in it's entirety, but how can they without
first understanding many of the individual pieces? a sort of ‘catch 22’ situation here!Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” can be understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!
This is THE ONLY WAY to interpret “The Bible”; are you truly open to this suggestion?Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Hi Martian,You never responded to this Post to you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
In fact the very thing you said about seeing the Bible in it's entirety is one of the principles I use. It is called context both immediate and overall. This is the most widely missed principle of interpretation. People take things out of context and often come up with wrong understandings of the word.Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 25 2010,04:23) Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,11:01) A good clue to the honesty of a researcher is when they are open about their processes and how they come to their conclusions. Those who keep these things hidden usually have something to hide. Most likely they are hiding the fact that they have no clue how to prove their points other then their opinion.
Martianwe can not explain it better than Jesus did;;Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Pierre
Are you from america? Perhaps it is a language problem but, I am having a hard time understanding your posts. I cannot see what the above statement has to do with the subject at hand.Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,07:51) I am always open to the leading of the Spirit and if I truly get a leading from the Spirit I know it will never contradict the Bible. However to know what the Bible is really saying there must be a systems of principles to guide us into an accurate interpretation.
Hi Martian,It's called letting the seed grow! Luke 8:11 …The seed is the word of God.
1Cor.3:6-9 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but
God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are
one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor. For
we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 25 2010,08:04) Quote (martian @ Sep. 25 2010,07:51) I am always open to the leading of the Spirit and if I truly get a leading from the Spirit I know it will never contradict the Bible. However to know what the Bible is really saying there must be a systems of principles to guide us into an accurate interpretation.
Hi Martian,It's called letting the seed grow! Luke 8:11 …The seed is the word of God.
1Cor.3:6-9 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but
God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are
one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor. For
we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Again you are speaking in riddles. What does what you said have to do with my points?
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