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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 10 2010,13:04) Quote (Stu @ April 03 2010,01:31) WJ no one is questioning that the gay community has an agenda. It might be revealing were you to tell us what you think it is. As for evidence for aggression, where was that?
Do you believe sexual harrassment in the workplace is OK for some victims?
Stuart
Stu“Tell us”, are you gay?
That would explain a lot!
WJ
What would it explain?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 03 2010,17:31) WJ no one is questioning that the gay community has an agenda. It might be revealing were you to tell us what you think it is. As for evidence for aggression, where was that?
Do you believe sexual harrassment in the workplace is OK for some victims?
Stuart
Any type of harrasment in the workplace or anyplace is and should be considered unacceptable behavior, alas this is not the case.Stuart, do you oppose bi racial relationships?
Quote (Stu @ April 10 2010,14:16) Apart from its use as a model for robotic programming, and its related use as a problem solving strategy: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html#what
…The theory of evolution provides humankind with more than just a scientific narrative of life’s origins and progression. It also yields invaluable technologies.
# For instance, the concept of molecular clocks—based on the accumulation of mutations in DNA over the eons—underlies applications such as the DNA analyses used in criminal investigations.
# DNA analysis of how pathogens evolve produces useful information for combating the outbreak and spread of disease. Accelerated evolution in laboratories has improved vaccines and other therapeutic proteins.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article….y-world
Predictions can be made, like the one which used evolution by natural selection to predict that the Piltdown would turn out to be a hoax, and these examples too:
Darwin realised that the Earth must be very old for there to have been enough time for all the life on it to evolve. It has turned out to be even older than he thought.
He also predicted that transitional fossils would be discovered, and millions (trillions if you count microfossils) have been. Researchers have even been able to predict the age and kind of rocks in which certain transitional fossils should occur, as with the half-fish, half-amphibian Tiktaalik.
http://www.newscientist.com/article….ve.html
Do you want more?
Stuart
My point remains. A virus for example can adapt and change to survive and preserve itself with the aid of it's host.Adaptation for survival is not one species changing into another. Humans have adapted to live in every environment. I have yet to see Homo Neuva Sapien, a new separate species that is more advanced and cannot reproduce with homo sapiens.
Evolution hasn't made these predictions possible Stu.
Biological evolution refers to the cumulative changes that occur in a population over time. These changes are produced at genetic level as organisms' genes mutate and/or recombine in different ways during reproduction and are passed on to future generations.
Notice the recombine option. We all know that genes recombine, that is no secret and is not exclusive to the Theory of Evolution. The argument about mutation via damage to genes is an interesting one because mutations of this type are not the result of what is already in the gene pool tend to disadvantage the design. e.g., if you add or take away from a dragonfly's bodily design, you would most likely end up with dragonfly that doesn't fly as well or not at all. And any so-called improvement is absolutely possible with different combinations of genes within the gene pool itself. The gene pool of a species has a lot of information that can produce an inferior design to the best design. The environment helps weed out the unfavorable combinations. Mutations are not needed to explain this, only recombination or re-assortment of genes in the gene pool.
A mutation is said to be a permanent change in the DNA sequence of a gene. Sometimes mutations in DNA can cause changes in the way a cell behaves. This is because genes contain the instructions necessary for a cell to work. If some of the instructions to the cell are wrong, then the cell may not know what it is supposed to do!
There are two ways in which DNA can become mutated:
- Mutations can be inherited. This means that if a parent has a mutation in his or her DNA, then the mutation is passed on to his or her children.
- Mutations can be acquired. This happens when environmental agents damage DNA, or when mistakes occur when a cell copies its DNA prior to cell division.
In both cases the result is usually detrimental.
Evolution argues that mutations create superior designs, whereas it is within a species gene pool that allows for the best possible design and mutations are actually detrimental. For example, do you think Usain Bolt's amazing ability to run at speed is the result of damage to genes that improved his running skills or the best combination of genes? I say the latter and I bet you would say that too. To argue that his running ability is the result of damage to a gene that actually improved that genes instructions is not only fanciful thinking, but is exactly what your theory suggests has happened many times.
Apologies for my above post. It is not what the topic is about. I will copy it to an appropriate topic.
Quote (princess of the king @ April 13 2010,13:34) Quote (Stu @ April 03 2010,17:31) WJ no one is questioning that the gay community has an agenda. It might be revealing were you to tell us what you think it is. As for evidence for aggression, where was that?
Do you believe sexual harrassment in the workplace is OK for some victims?
Stuart
Any type of harrasment in the workplace or anyplace is and should be considered unacceptable behavior, alas this is not the case.Stuart, do you oppose bi racial relationships?
I don't oppose any situation where two consenting adults want to express love towards one another, emotionally or physically, excepting incest when there is a possibility of resulting offspring.Adultery is about integrity and trust as much as it is the act of committing it: it may even be a first step in a process that leaves all parties better off in the end.
It strikes me as hypocritical that a religion that makes all sorts of claims of being about love would have in its book of spells lists of what kinds of loving other people are acts deserving of death.
Would you agree?
Stuart
Quote I don't oppose any situation where two consenting adults want to express love towards one another, emotionally or physically, excepting incest when there is a possibility of resulting offspring. Just a casual go of it, as long as both are consenting. Tends to be the new trend. Hence, all kind of new sicknesses that come along with this consenting lifestyle. For you being one of the animal world, do you think ones should mate as a duck or a chicken?
Quote Adultery is about integrity and trust as much as it is the act of committing it: it may even be a first step in a process that leaves all parties better off in the end. Secular humanism.
Quote It strikes me as hypocritical that a religion that makes all sorts of claims of being about love would have in its book of spells lists of what kinds of loving other people are acts deserving of death. One does not need to refer to the book of spells Stuart regarding this subject, ones that believe or not have killed for love. Let's keep our eyes and ears open a bit more in our discussions, I would not want you to become so narrow minded that you only see and hear what you want. Would not want to label you as a hypocrite now would we.
PoftheK
Quote Just a casual go of it, as long as both are consenting.
Sure. Or a medium to long-term committed one as most people end up going for.Quote Hence, all kind of new sicknesses that come along with this consenting lifestyle.
You are suggesting a new “consent-based” cause of human disease? How does that work?For you being one of the animal world, do you think ones should mate as a duck or a chicken?
How would that be “consenting”?Quote Secular humanism.
I agree. There is nothing fairer.Quote One does not need to refer to the book of spells Stuart regarding this subject, ones that believe or not have killed for love. Let's keep our eyes and ears open a bit more in our discussions, I would not want you to become so narrow minded that you only see and hear what you want. Would not want to label you as a hypocrite now would we.
I refer you to the books of Romans, Deuteronomy and Leviticus.Stuart
Attempt two:
PoftheK
Quote Just a casual go of it, as long as both are consenting.
Sure. Or a medium to long-term committed one as most people end up going for.Quote Hence, all kind of new sicknesses that come along with this consenting lifestyle.
You are suggesting a new “consent-based” cause of human disease? How does that work?Quote For you being one of the animal world, do you think ones should mate as a duck or a chicken?
How would that be “consenting”?Quote Secular humanism.
I agree. There is nothing fairer.Quote One does not need to refer to the book of spells Stuart regarding this subject, ones that believe or not have killed for love. Let's keep our eyes and ears open a bit more in our discussions, I would not want you to become so narrow minded that you only see and hear what you want. Would not want to label you as a hypocrite now would we.
I refer you to the books of Romans, Deuteronomy and Leviticus.Stuart
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Quote Sure. Or a medium to long-term committed one as most people end up going for. Alas this is true, quite the ordinary is it not. One tends not to go for the extraordinary now a days, shame.
Quote You are suggesting a new “consent-based” cause of human disease? How does that work? Honestly Stuart, ones that share needles to inject a mind altering drug are consenting that they may attain HIV, or ones that casually have relations with multiple partners are consenting that they may attain a STD of some sort. Soon enough if ones that feel this casual practice should carry not only identification but also show recent medical records. So yes in a way ones do consent to attain a disease.
Quote How would that be “consenting”?
A duck choose their mate and they mate for life, consent by both parties, many species have rituals of mating for consent. Chickens on the other hand, have no such consent.Quote I refer you to the books of Romans, Deuteronomy and Leviticus. I believe that the law was given to separate, since such practices were considered common at the time. The reason for death, could have been a scare tactic, which tends to work, keeping a person in fear is a common practice. I tend to believe it was carried out more on women then men, since men of that time could have multiple wives. What is even most thought provoking is the ones that carried the death sentence out.
I came across secular humanism read a bit on it and lo and behold you were the first to come to mind. You are not an atheist Stuart. Why play along all this time, shame on you.
P of the K
Quote Honestly Stuart, ones that share needles to inject a mind altering drug are consenting that they may attain HIV, or ones that casually have relations with multiple partners are consenting that they may attain a STD of some sort. Soon enough if ones that feel this casual practice should carry not only identification but also show recent medical records. So yes in a way ones do consent to attain a disease.
I see. Of course you are still describing the germ theory of disease. It is possible to inject “mind-altering drugs” with a sterile needle, as many doctors do on a daily basis, and expect no germ-based disease as a result.Quote A duck choose their mate and they mate for life, consent by both parties, many species have rituals of mating for consent. Chickens on the other hand, have no such consent.
Interesting. Humans do not mate for life either, as a rule!Penguins on the other hand indulge in prostitution, using sex as a payment for purchasing particularly desirable smooth stones.
Not that it is particularly relevant, but I like the image. Also irrelevant is the fact that none of the copulating species is known to exhibit exclusively heterosexual sex.
Quote I believe that the law was given to separate, since such practices were considered common at the time. The reason for death, could have been a scare tactic, which tends to work, keeping a person in fear is a common practice. I tend to believe it was carried out more on women then men, since men of that time could have multiple wives. What is even most thought provoking is the ones that carried the death sentence out.
The bizarre thing is Paul claiming that homosexuality is worthy of death. This is unquestionably a use of the word death in the sense of punishment. Who could carry out that punishment? Paul seems to be ignoring the fact that either he expects a non-christian to carry out the punishment, or he expects Jesus to do cast the first stone, him allegedly being the only person in the “sinless” category.Unless you include Lot.
Quote I came across secular humanism read a bit on it and lo and behold you were the first to come to mind. You are not an atheist Stuart. Why play along all this time, shame on you.
I am certainly a secularist, although I don’t indulge in humanism in its quasi-religious sense, apart from agreeing with most of what they believe.How am I not a devoted, zealous atheist?
Stuart
Stuart,
My heart goes out to you. To live in such a world you do, cannot be easy. Take care of yourself.
Quote (Stu @ April 14 2010,20:27) Penguins on the other hand indulge in prostitution, using sex as a payment for purchasing particularly desirable smooth stones.
You saw 'Happy Feet” too.Quote (Stu @ April 14 2010,20:27) The bizarre thing is Paul claiming that homosexuality is worthy of death. This is unquestionably a use of the word death in the sense of punishment. Who could carry out that punishment? Paul seems to be ignoring the fact that either he expects a non-christian to carry out the punishment, or he expects Jesus to do cast the first stone, him allegedly being the only person in the “sinless” category.
Sin gives birth to death.Quote (t8 @ April 15 2010,15:57) Quote (Stu @ April 14 2010,20:27) The bizarre thing is Paul claiming that homosexuality is worthy of death. This is unquestionably a use of the word death in the sense of punishment. Who could carry out that punishment? Paul seems to be ignoring the fact that either he expects a non-christian to carry out the punishment, or he expects Jesus to do cast the first stone, him allegedly being the only person in the “sinless” category.
Sin gives birth to death.
So those to be punished are just expected to die of their own free will?Stuart
Quote (t8 @ April 15 2010,15:53) Quote (Stu @ April 14 2010,20:27) Penguins on the other hand indulge in prostitution, using sex as a payment for purchasing particularly desirable smooth stones.
You saw 'Happy Feet” too.
Is that where you heard about penguin prostitution?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 15 2010,19:58) Is that where you heard about penguin prostitution? Stuart
Don't know anything about penguin prostitution and I have never seen a penguin on Vivian St either.That said, humans do act like animals sometimes when they resort to instinct more than reason.
I have gained an extreme love for people due to a past-life of Homosexuality, but I got an image from God representing that I was soon to receive a Revelation of Love, which I have found! It’s overwhelming, but I want to learn more about how to express it, so I began to study on the relationship between David and Jonathon, but I keep bumping into dead end’s. Basically Homosexuals trying to justify homosexuality with David and Jonathon’s relationship.
Basically, I want more information about their intimacy, what was the difference between their intimacy and today’s intimacy. I believe it would be a great revelation for many believer’s today and especially for those who are currently struggling with thought’s of Homosexuality, to understand that their love that they feel towards the same sex is nothing but an extreme emotion of love.
So if possible I would like some help studying into this topic as to:
1. How far did this intimacy go.
2. What can we learn from there relationship.
3. How can this relationship be “learned/applied” into our daily relationships without scaring people off.
4. The trigger of this relationship.
5. The heart and mind set of both David and Jonathon in this relationship.
6. Meaning of key words or actions done by them.
7. And what in their relationship showed God what is in the midst of them.GLASS = The Gay and Lesbian Adolescent Social Services
EXCERPTS:
It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh. However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization ─ the nuclear family. An unmistakable manifestation of the attack on the family unit is the homosexual community’s efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement. The homosexual community and its allies in the media scoff at this argument. They insist it is merely a tactic to demonize the homosexual movement. After all, they argue, heterosexual molestation is a far more serious problem.
GLASS believes that some children are born gay (a view not backed by any science) and announced that they target “youth who are confused about their sexual identities.”[4] The website links to a myriad of gay sites targeting the youth, including one promoting a book that promotes sex with children.[5] GLASS’s founder and former executive director, Teresa DeCrescenzo, edited a book that helps youth discover their homosexuality.[6]
It came as no surprise that the California Department of Social Services found “on numerous occasions beginning at least as early as 1994, adults affiliated with GLASS, including staff members, members of the GLASS board of directors and volunteers, sexually abused or molested children who were placed with GLASS.”[7] The Department of Social Services found that DeCrescenzo, aware of the allegations of molestation, determined staff conduct not to be inappropriate.[8] Apparently, DeCrescenzo believes molestation is part of the “coming out” process that she glorifies in her writings.
Note above that homosexuals are now beginning to say that they must come out of the closet with their being pedaphiles so they can have FULL freedom of sexual expression.
One would think that a molestation factory disguised as a group home would be a good reason for the State of California to shut down the whole GLASS group home operation. Remarkably, the state of California, allowing GLASS to continue operation, removed a few individuals and placed GLASS on probation.[9] Even though additional molestation incidents occurred at GLASS facilities in 1999, they remain in operation until this day.
On one hand, homosexuals publicly claim that the molestation of boys is not part of the homosexual lifestyle. On the other, they are quietly establishing the legal parameters exempting the molestation of boys from prosecution on anti-discrimination grounds. For example, in Nevada a forty-two year-old man was arrested for molesting a sixteen year-old boy but was not charged by the district attorney. The reason given was that to do so would “discriminate against a class of people.”[15] The deputy district attorney added that to charge the man “would be singling out homosexuals.” [16] For years, conservatives have argued that so called anti-discrimination laws would eventually lead to granting legal protections for various homosexual deviancies. It appears that time is coming sooner than expected.
Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth oriented culture.[17] Very few gays exhibit a preference for older men. Some admit to a focus on teenage boys, some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories. All are subsets of the homosexual deviancy. Moreover, most pedophiles consider themselves to be gay. In a 1988 study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior, 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.[18]
Child prostitution expert Dr. Jennifer James reports that the number of boy prostitutes who identify themselves as homosexuals has risen from 10% to 60% in the last fifteen years.[19]Please read the full article http://theinteramerican.org/comment….nt.html
The definition of a true child of God does not include unrepentant murderers, thieves, liars, etc. The Bible states this clearly. If I called myself a non-racist, but hated everyone but my own race, then surely I would be a hypocrite and children of God cannot be hypocrites. The Bible is packed with words about what a true child of God is like. Non-repentant murderers, thieves, liar, and the immoral do not inherit the Kingdom of God simple as that. They do not belong to God and by extension of that, they are not followers of Christ.
Many in the world today say bad things about God because of the iniquity caused by those who claim to be Christian. e.g., the Roman Catholic Church has a history of murder, lies, and immorality. Because of this, men speak evil of the truth. Below is a list of scriptures that show us the sins that God hates. If a religious organisation commits these, then it shows bad fruit and God should not get the blame for these sins. So please, don’t blame God. Blame the men who commit these things.
Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him:
haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.Proverbs 12:22
Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”Revelation 21:27
But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.And finally, here are the commandments that God delivered to Moses.
Exodus 20 1-17
20 And God spoke all these words:2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
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