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We can also use our free will to serve God and do his will. That is a choice too. Sorry if you thought that free-will was only for evil. No you can choose good as well. That is why we don't have an excuse for who we are in the end.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2010,18:31) We can also use our free will to serve God and do his will. That is a choice too. Sorry if you thought that free-will was only for evil. No you can choose good as well. That is why we don't have an excuse for who we are in the end.
I wasn't defending the religious concept of free will, you understand. It is simplistic nonsense.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2010,18:58) I wasn't defending the religious concept of free will, you understand. It is simplistic nonsense. Stuart
Of course you didn't CHOOSE to write this. Free will doesn't exist.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 11 2010,21:09) Quote (Stu @ Mar. 11 2010,18:58) I wasn't defending the religious concept of free will, you understand. It is simplistic nonsense. Stuart
Of course you didn't CHOOSE to write this. Free will doesn't exist.
See how you believe simplistic nonsense?Stuart
Oh another thing. If free will doesn't exist, then you can't blame me for what I am writing. You just need to accept it.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 12 2010,07:53) Oh another thing. If free will doesn't exist, then you can't blame me for what I am writing. You just need to accept it.
Hi T8,
A) Sin is ultimately the consequence of free will.
B) We (humans) will not sin in heaven.
C) There is free will in heaven.These three issues cannot be reconciled. One or all of them must be wrong.
What do you think?
Tim
Actually this is going off track, but here is my cents worth.
Good question. My guess is that sin won't be an option on the table. Why? Because we have already chosen to be righteous while we were here. So the choice is already made and then we will be in perfection. I think you will find that it will be impossible to sin in the new creation for the former things will have passed away.
Revelation 21:4
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.I should add this. That Christ being slain from the foundation of the world illustrates the possibility that the beneficial effects of that death, is the same as if that sacrifice had been made before the creation of the world. Thus, Old testament saints are washed clean in Christ's blood the same as we are today and for all aeons.
Hi ALL
Here is some is some more evidence that the gay community is becoming more aggressive and has an agenda…
“Surprisingly, it wasn't a group of female workers who were compensated by the popular eatery: it was a group of male employees who claim they were sexually harassed by other men in the workplace. And, as new EEOC filings show, this situation is not unusual. Between 1992 and 2008, the percentage of sexual-harassment charges filed by men with the EEOC doubled from 8 percent to 16 percent. “While some people may think sexual harassment of male employees is a joke, the issue is real,” says David Grinberg, spokesperson for the EEOC. “We are seeing more of it, and such conduct has serious legal consequences for employers.”
There are instances when women sexually harass men, but the increase is due mainly to reports of men harassing other men, also called same-sex sexual harassment, Grinberg says. The EEOC tracks the number of men and women who file claims with the agency, but doesn't always keep track of the gender of the harasser. However, Grinberg confirms that the EEOC has recognized a growing trend in the number of men alleging same-sex sexual harassment.” Newsweek
WJ
WJ no one is questioning that the gay community has an agenda. It might be revealing were you to tell us what you think it is.
As for evidence for aggression, where was that?
Do you believe sexual harrassment in the workplace is OK for some victims?
Stuart
Quote (princess of the king @ April 06 2010,13:58) Stuart, Elaborate on 'us'. Vocative or nominative.
Thank you.
The royal WE, of course!We don't really have a vocative in English do we? I suppose if you speak Elizabethan English as some here do, it could seem like it.
Stuart
Evolutionists have an agenda too. They want all minds to believe they are derived from primitive apes and there is no God or after-life.
He he. Beats me why many want this even though they have no proof. I guess they hate God that much, that they would rather become compost and believe their great great… grandfather was a primitive ape, than acknowledge God.
Of course no matter what you believe, it doesn't make reality go away.
t8
Quote Evolutionists have an agenda too.
What is an evolutionist? Is it a biologist who uses the theory of evolution by natural selection as a tool in his everyday work, in the same way an accountant uses a calculator?Would you call an accountant a calculatorist?
Quote They want all minds to believe they are derived from primitive apes
True, because it is true. Although some appear to want to disrespect their elders of many generations ago. The Judeo-christian book of mythology warns you that you deserve to die if you are disrespectful to your parents. Should that apply to your grandparents as well? At what generation do you say that you will now deny your heritage? At the myth that is Adam and Eve? What a delusion!Why are you embarrassed about the facts of your heredity, t8?
Quote and there is no God or after-life.
False, if the “evolutionists” who believe in an Imaginary Friend are anything to go by.Quote He he. Beats me why many want this even though they have no proof.
Proof of what?Quote I guess they hate God that much,
What god?Quote that they would rather become compost and believe their great great… grandfather was a primitive ape, than acknowledge God.
What god?Quote Of course no matter what you believe, it doesn't make reality go away.
I’m glad to see you admit it. You do not appear to be putting the idea into practice, though.By the way, t8, I’d be curious to know what prompts these hilarious occasional outbursts. Do you have a deluded friend you visit periodically who tops up your credulity in nonsense mythology and motivates you to embarrass yourself in front of the world?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 10 2010,10:56) What is an evolutionist? Is it a biologist who uses the theory of evolution by natural selection as a tool in his everyday work, in the same way an accountant uses a calculator?
You poor thing.It is a man who believes a certain theory as to the origin of species. It is not a tool, but a theory. People can choose to believe it or not. You shouldn't try to dress up a belief as an essential or extremely helpful tool.
Naughty.
Quote (Stu @ April 03 2010,01:31) WJ no one is questioning that the gay community has an agenda. It might be revealing were you to tell us what you think it is. As for evidence for aggression, where was that?
Do you believe sexual harrassment in the workplace is OK for some victims?
Stuart
Stu“Tell us”, are you gay?
That would explain a lot!
WJ
Quote (t8 @ April 10 2010,11:34) Quote (Stu @ April 10 2010,10:56) What is an evolutionist? Is it a biologist who uses the theory of evolution by natural selection as a tool in his everyday work, in the same way an accountant uses a calculator?
You poor thing.It is a man who believes a certain theory as to the origin of species. It is not a tool, but a theory. People can choose to believe it or not. You shouldn't try to dress up a belief as an essential or extremely helpful tool.
Naughty.
Apart from its use as a model for robotic programming, and its related use as a problem solving strategy:http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genalg/genalg.html#what
…The theory of evolution provides humankind with more than just a scientific narrative of life’s origins and progression. It also yields invaluable technologies.
# For instance, the concept of molecular clocks—based on the accumulation of mutations in DNA over the eons—underlies applications such as the DNA analyses used in criminal investigations.
# DNA analysis of how pathogens evolve produces useful information for combating the outbreak and spread of disease. Accelerated evolution in laboratories has improved vaccines and other therapeutic proteins.http://www.scientificamerican.com/article….y-world
Predictions can be made, like the one which used evolution by natural selection to predict that the Piltdown would turn out to be a hoax, and these examples too:
Darwin realised that the Earth must be very old for there to have been enough time for all the life on it to evolve. It has turned out to be even older than he thought.
He also predicted that transitional fossils would be discovered, and millions (trillions if you count microfossils) have been. Researchers have even been able to predict the age and kind of rocks in which certain transitional fossils should occur, as with the half-fish, half-amphibian Tiktaalik.
http://www.newscientist.com/article….ve.html
Do you want more?
Stuart
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