Homosexuality

[Stu]

Would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people?

Stuart

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,01:45)

Sounds like you are desperate.  Are you sure you are a good advertisement for the christian delusion? I do not take responsibility for the actions of others, except in the sense that we all share responsibility for looking out for one another.  Will you be commenting on the “fleshy desires” of christians, of have you managed to remove that (god-given?) part of your humanity from yourself altogether? Do you know me well enough to state whether I care nothing for others?  It is not me that advocates hating your family in order to follow an invented martyr. What would you have me say to my gay friend?  I embrace him and his right to express himself free of your persecution.  I reject your busy-body bigotry.  For a believer in a belief system that brainlessly suggests you should not be interested in the affairs of men, you sure are interested in the affairs of men. There is no need to look for 'ammo' against christianity.  All you will ever need is to be found in its book of nasty spells, incantations and death threats. Stuart

Desparate for what?

I don't save people God does.

Who is the invented martyr? Jesus? A disciple? Someone else?

I would embrace him as well, but his right? Natural right? Not legal nor moral.

My persecution of him, I persecute none of them, I don't have the authority, between them and God.

Busy body? I don't go bother homosexuals. My beliefs bother homosexuals, just like they bother you.

My interest in the affairs of men only go as far a social groups, such as this forum.

Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:9

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. James 4:4

[Stu]

Would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people?

Stuart

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,02:52)

Would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people? Stuart

No different than any other human being.

[Stu]

Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience?

Stuart

[Worshipping Jesus]

Stu

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,01:55)

I am reprobate!  I love it.  I prefer fool, actually, but reprobate will do.

So you are admitting to being Gay?

That would explain your militant defense of their hideos acts!

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,05:52)

Would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people? Stuart

Stu

No, unless you consider those who tried to molest me between the age of 12 and 16 as being pretty ordinary and caring people!

I am sure they had familys and friends that thought so, but I am also sure their familys and friends didn't know their dark hearts either!

WJ

[Not3in1]

Keith,

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I was actually molested by heterosexual male(s) when I was very tiny and then again when I was pre-teen.

I don't think molestation happens more in the gay world anymore than the hetero though….. I think it's a dark-heart condition in both worlds.

Love,
Mandy

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:40)

Keith, I'm so sorry that happened to you.  I was actually molested by heterosexual male(s) when I was very tiny and then again when I was pre-teen. I don't think molestation happens more in the gay world anymore than the hetero though…..  I think it's a dark-heart condition in both worlds. Love, Mandy

Hi Mandy

I am sorry that happened to you! Man I don't know what I might do to the guy that did that to my daughter?

Thank God for his loving hand to heal the wounds!

As far as the acts of molestation being any more than heterosexual, I am not so sure about that.

On a percentage basis I think it is probably higher in the Gay comunity! IMO.

Blessings Keith

[princess of the king]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,21:52)

Would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people? Stuart

stuart,

i think this would tend to fall back on the theory you present of natural selection, a person can be caring.

do you think it to be part of the natural selection that homosexuallity is?

if you could, let us avoid using animals as a prototype, seems to get in the way.

kol tuv

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,11:04)

Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience? Stuart

Nope

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:13)

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,11:04) Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience? Stuart Nope

Well not in the U.S. anyway, Americans may give the appearence of caring till they fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime.

One in 100 U.S. adults are in prison or jail;
One in 30 men aged 20-34 are incarcerated;
One in 53 people in their 20's is incarcerated;
Men are 10 times as likely to be incarcerated, compared to women.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
http://commonlaw.findlaw.com/2008/02/report-1-in-100.html
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

[Stu]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,07:09)

Stu Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,01:55) I am reprobate!  I love it.  I prefer fool, actually, but reprobate will do. So you are admitting to being Gay? That would explain your militant defense of their hideos acts! WJ

Where did I say I was gay? That is not the meaning of the word reprobate.

Your adolescent excitement at the prospect temps me to respond yes, but actually I am not gay as it happens.

Stuart

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:27)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:13) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,11:04) Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience? Stuart Nope Well not in the U.S. anyway, Americans may give the appearence of caring till they fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime. One in 100 U.S. adults are in prison or jail; One in 30 men aged 20-34 are incarcerated; One in 53 people in their 20's is incarcerated; Men are 10 times as likely to be incarcerated, compared to women. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm http://commonlaw.findlaw.com/2008/02/report-1-in-100.html http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

Oh, and that is only the statitistics of those who got caught and sentenced. That does not included those with good lawyers, or who will never get caught for what ever reasons.

Oh and I forgot, 50% of all incarcerations are for VIOLENT crimes.

[Stu]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 23 2009,08:20)

Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,15:40) Keith, I'm so sorry that happened to you.  I was actually molested by heterosexual male(s) when I was very tiny and then again when I was pre-teen. I don't think molestation happens more in the gay world anymore than the hetero though…..  I think it's a dark-heart condition in both worlds. Love, Mandy Hi Mandy I am sorry that happened to you! Man I don't know what I might do to the guy that did that to my daughter? Thank God for his loving hand to heal the wounds! As far as the acts of molestation being any more than heterosexual, I am not so sure about that. On a percentage basis I think it is probably higher in the Gay comunity! IMO. Blessings Keith

We've been through all this.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (princess of the king @ Oct. 23 2009,14:28)

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,21:52) Would you agree that all the gay people you know personally are pretty ordinary, caring people? Stuart stuart, i think this would tend to fall back on the theory you present of natural selection, a person can be caring. do you think it to be part of the natural selection that homosexuallity is? if you could, let us avoid using animals as a prototype, seems to get in the way. kol tuv

What do you mean by 'fall back on'? In what sense might animals be 'prototypes'?

Can you stop writing in tongues for me? I don't speak christian.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,19:30)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:27) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:13) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,11:04) Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience? Stuart Nope Well not in the U.S. anyway, Americans may give the appearence of caring till they fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime. One in 100 U.S. adults are in prison or jail; One in 30 men aged 20-34 are incarcerated; One in 53 people in their 20's is incarcerated; Men are 10 times as likely to be incarcerated, compared to women. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm http://commonlaw.findlaw.com/2008/02/report-1-in-100.html http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm Oh, and that is only the statitistics of those who got caught and sentenced. That does not included those with good lawyers, or who will never get caught for what ever reasons. Oh and I forgot, 50% of all incarcerations are for VIOLENT crimes.

I agree that all those christians and other religious folk who are committing crimes should be locked up if our safety depends on it.

Are you saying that the 6.6% plus the ones who get away with violent crimes represents “most people” to you?

Stuart

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:27)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:13) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,11:04) Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience? Stuart Nope Well not in the U.S. anyway, Americans may give the appearence of caring till they fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime. One in 100 U.S. adults are in prison or jail; One in 30 men aged 20-34 are incarcerated; One in 53 people in their 20's is incarcerated; Men are 10 times as likely to be incarcerated, compared to women. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm http://commonlaw.findlaw.com/2008/02/report-1-in-100.html http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

Appendix: 1997 Federal Bureau of Prisons from Denise Golumbaski, as formatted in Rice/Swift
Note that in this version, the names of a couple of religious groups remain non-standardized, and self-identified “Atheist” remains separate from “Unknown/None.”
Response Number %
—————————- ——–
Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%
—————————- ——–
Total Known Responses 74731 100.001% (rounding to 3 digits does this)

Unknown/No Answer 18381
—————————-
Total Convicted 93112 80.259% (74731) prisoners' religion is known.

Held in Custody 3856 (not surveyed due to temporary custody)
—————————-
Total In Prisons 96968

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html

[Stu]

I had in mind that the atheist prison population was 0.23% but I see it is fractionally lower than that. Atheists comprise at least 12% of the general US population, but I suspect the rate is probably a lot higher even than that.

At that difference in rates we should lock up all christians as a precaution, given their disproportionate rate of criminal conviction for imprisonable offenses.

Of course I say we, but I am not American and I don't know the stats in my own country, NZ.

You Americans should lock up christians as a precaution.

Stuart

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Stu @ Oct. 23 2009,00:35)

Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,19:30) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:27) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 23 2009,00:13) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 22 2009,11:04) Are human beings mostly caring, in your experience? Stuart Nope Well not in the U.S. anyway, Americans may give the appearence of caring till they fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime. One in 100 U.S. adults are in prison or jail; One in 30 men aged 20-34 are incarcerated; One in 53 people in their 20's is incarcerated; Men are 10 times as likely to be incarcerated, compared to women. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm http://commonlaw.findlaw.com/2008/02/report-1-in-100.html http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm Oh, and that is only the statitistics of those who got caught and sentenced. That does not included those with good lawyers, or who will never get caught for what ever reasons. Oh and I forgot, 50% of all incarcerations are for VIOLENT crimes. I agree that all those christians and other religious folk who are committing crimes should be locked up if our safety depends on it. Are you saying that the 6.6% plus the ones who get away with violent crimes represents “most people” to you? Stuart

What I am saying is you used the word “caring”, that word covers a broad area. Even a murderer can be “caring”. So I base “caring” as someone with clear conduct (ie good morals, religious or not), no lying, cheating, or stealing. All crimes and behavior can be set with those three principles of behavior. Therefore one could safely say 9/10 of the Americans cannot pass that litmus test. And I am basing this from lesser to greatest offense. No the majority is not caring.

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