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Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2009,20:06) Let's face it we all know that KJ and Stu are only using this topic as a guise for their persecution for believers. Civilised people can debate, but persecution is fueled by hate and is quite obvious when it rears its ugly head. Stu and KJ say or think that we persecute Homosexuals which isn't true (some might) and the whole time they are really persecuting us. If I went to a Homosexual BBS and said to them what they say to us, then I think people would consider me as homophobic.
Ironic. When you try to point out a speck you often cannot see the log in your own eye.
So why is it bad to persecute Homosexuals and OK to persecute believers?
Is this not pathetic?It is not right to persecute anyone.
Wake up.
Do you feel persecuted t8?To the point of hiding your true nature or taking your own life?
Persecution is indeed fueled by hate, which is fueled by hateful incitements, like the one in your book of mythology that insists that gay people should be put to death. Are you saying I am advocating something similar in my 'persecution' of you?
Let's say Sir Ian McKellen was sitting in the electric chair, and you had the switch in your hand.
Your scripture says that pulling the switch is the right thing to do.
I suppose if you are a real christian you will wimp out like Jesus did with the adultress.
All persecutory talk but no action.
Stuart
Your pop psychology is trivial t8.
I think this says it all:
If you say to anyone from a group that you do not belong to (and especially if it has been persecuted for their looks, culture or beliefs), whether they be negro, jew, homosexual, christian, female, male, poor, foreigner, disabled, then you are persecuting them.
You have not actually stated what the persecution is! And you certainly have not said what part of me telling you that your faith is a lame delusion is PERSECUTION.
I love the christian but hate the mental illness from which they suffer, while Jesus tells you to hate your family.
Stuart
Stu said:
Quote Persecution is indeed fueled by hate, which is fueled by hateful incitements, like the one in your book of mythology that insists that gay people should be put to death. Christians do not hold to the old covenant standards of gay people being put to death today. And gays were not discriminated against then. Heterosexual adulterers and those who broke the sabbath were to also be put to death.
thinker
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 08 2009,05:25) I think I could substantiate your persecution (indeed your illegal incitement to murder) if you have ever advocated reading scripture anywhere here. But I am not that interested in searching for the last post in which you did that. I am quite happy to settle now without the lawyers' bills.
Stuart
You coudn't find a post inwhich I advocated the killing of homosexuals because there is no such post. Neither do I believe they should be put to death. The killing of homosexuals was old covenant. If I were to sue you for slander you would need to panhandle to eat.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 07 2009,09:43) The reason for so many homosexuals threads is to emphasize to you seculars your denial that they are predators. Stu started it by saying that homosexuality has no victims. When challenged he did not retract it. Had he retracted it we wouldn't have so many threads. thinker
He has not retracted it because your view has not been substantiated. You simply hate homosexuals, that much is obvious.Quote (t8 @ Aug. 09 2009,03:06) Let's face it we all know that KJ and Stu are only using this topic as a guise for their persecution for believers. Please, you guys wouldn't know real persecution if it bit you on the nose. Opposing an ancient goat herder mindset is not persecution.
Quote Civilised people can debate, but persecution is fueled by hate and is quite obvious when it rears its ugly head. Stu and KJ say or think that we persecute Homosexuals which isn't true (some might) and the whole time they are really persecuting us. 
Look at the homosexual threads. thethinker tries his best to get others to believe that homosexuals = predators, and does so without a shred of real evidence. The others pile on by saying that they were hit on by a male homosexual when they were younger.
How many females have participated in these polls to tell if they were hit on by an older male when an adolescent? It seems that only males have particpated in the threads thus far, making the polls very unbalanced and not representative of real world.
Quote If I went to a Homosexual BBS and said to them what they say to us, then I think people would consider me as homophobic. What do we say? That you should not let a book guide you as to right and wrong and then try ot push that on thers?
Quote Ironic. When you try to point out a speck you often cannot see the log in your own eye. So why is it bad to persecute Homosexuals and OK to persecute believers?
Is this not pathetic?It is not right to persecute anyone.
Wake up.
Again, you guys don't have a clue about persecution. You are crying because someone challenges your viewpoint, and it hurts your feelings.thinker said to Stu:
Quote You were the first to introduce beastiality. You said that homosexuality unlike heterosexuality and beastiality has no victims. thinker
Stu replied:
Quote Can you please show me where I said that? You would be a libel prosecutor's dream.
Stu's memory failed him. On the “blessings for gays” thread July 26 at 12:46 Stu said:
Quote Did you process the bit where I used the word consent? There is a universal principle here that includes children and animals not being able to make an informed decision to participate. No christian here has actually stated any equivalent principle for homosexuality. It is just an unthinking regurgitation of scripture.
Bestiality and pedophilia have victims. Homosexuality doesn't.
Obviously.
Stuart
Want to own up to it now?
thinker
kejonn said:
Quote Look at the homosexual threads. thethinker tries his best to get others to believe that homosexuals = predators, I said that homosexuality has predators. I was correcting Stu who has his head in the sand. Then I gave some historical facts to back it up.
Show where I said or implied that homosexuals = predators.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:18) Stu said: Quote Persecution is indeed fueled by hate, which is fueled by hateful incitements, like the one in your book of mythology that insists that gay people should be put to death. Christians do not hold to the old covenant standards of gay people being put to death today. And gays were not discriminated against then. Heterosexual adulterers and those who broke the sabbath were to also be put to death.
thinker
Have you ripped Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Romans out of your bible then?Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:23) thinker said to Stu: Quote You were the first to introduce beastiality. You said that homosexuality unlike heterosexuality and beastiality has no victims. thinker
Stu replied:
Quote Can you please show me where I said that? You would be a libel prosecutor's dream.
Stu's memory failed him. On the “blessings for gays” thread July 26 at 12:46 Stu said:
Quote Did you process the bit where I used the word consent? There is a universal principle here that includes children and animals not being able to make an informed decision to participate. No christian here has actually stated any equivalent principle for homosexuality. It is just an unthinking regurgitation of scripture.
Bestiality and pedophilia have victims. Homosexuality doesn't.
Obviously.
Stuart
Want to own up to it now?
thinker
Want to own up to what? I used the word bestiality first. I did not make the claim you tried to put in my mouth about it.Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:27) Show where I said or implied that homosexuals = predators. thinker
Quoting thethinker in this thread:Quote p1: The reason for so many homosexuals threads is to emphasize to you seculars your denial that they are predators. p2: All you need to do is read the book How Christianity Changed the World and you will learn what homosexuals have been responsible for in history. Their history indicates the potential threat they are now.
Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:24) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 08 2009,05:25) I think I could substantiate your persecution (indeed your illegal incitement to murder) if you have ever advocated reading scripture anywhere here. But I am not that interested in searching for the last post in which you did that. I am quite happy to settle now without the lawyers' bills.
Stuart
You coudn't find a post inwhich I advocated the killing of homosexuals because there is no such post. Neither do I believe they should be put to death. The killing of homosexuals was old covenant. If I were to sue you for slander you would need to panhandle to eat.thinker
Exhibit one: The Old Testament.Exhibit Two: The New Testament.
Will you deny these two tomes on the stand?
Stuart
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 08 2009,07:30) Paladin, So the question remains:
Was the ingestion of shellfish ever evil?
Only to the Jews to whom it was forbidden fruit. Remember, they were a Theocracy, which means their God legislated their laws for them.Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2009,07:00) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,00:18) Stu said: Quote Persecution is indeed fueled by hate, which is fueled by hateful incitements, like the one in your book of mythology that insists that gay people should be put to death. Christians do not hold to the old covenant standards of gay people being put to death today. And gays were not discriminated against then. Heterosexual adulterers and those who broke the sabbath were to also be put to death.
thinker
Have you ripped Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Romans out of your bible then?Stuart
Paul did not call for the death of homosexuals. He simply said that God will judge them but not any more than other sinners. You have funky hermeneutics.thinker
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2009,07:02) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:23) thinker said to Stu: Quote You were the first to introduce beastiality. You said that homosexuality unlike heterosexuality and beastiality has no victims. thinker
Stu replied:
Quote Can you please show me where I said that? You would be a libel prosecutor's dream.
Stu's memory failed him. On the “blessings for gays” thread July 26 at 12:46 Stu said:
Quote Did you process the bit where I used the word consent? There is a universal principle here that includes children and animals not being able to make an informed decision to participate. No christian here has actually stated any equivalent principle for homosexuality. It is just an unthinking regurgitation of scripture.
Bestiality and pedophilia have victims. Homosexuality doesn't.
Obviously.
Stuart
Want to own up to it now?
thinker
Want to own up to what? I used the word bestiality first. I did not make the claim you tried to put in my mouth about it.Stuart
This is called “perjury.”thinker
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 10 2009,07:06) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 10 2009,06:27) Show where I said or implied that homosexuals = predators. thinker
Quoting thethinker in this thread:Quote p1: The reason for so many homosexuals threads is to emphasize to you seculars your denial that they are predators. p2: All you need to do is read the book How Christianity Changed the World and you will learn what homosexuals have been responsible for in history. Their history indicates the potential threat they are now.
Stuart
You infer too much. The word “ALL homosexuals are predators” was never spoken by me. Would you defend yourself if I charged you with saying that Christians = persecutors? You are here just to argue. You are not interested in any discourse that promotes understanding.Good-bye Stu. You won't be hearing from me anymore. But you will be hearing from my lawyer.
thinker
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 10 2009,08:44) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 08 2009,07:30) Paladin, So the question remains:
Was the ingestion of shellfish ever evil?
Only to the Jews to whom it was forbidden fruit. Remember, they were a Theocracy, which means their God legislated their laws for them.
Exactly!thinker
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 10 2009,03:44) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 08 2009,07:30) Paladin, So the question remains:
Was the ingestion of shellfish ever evil?
Only to the Jews to whom it was forbidden fruit. Remember, they were a Theocracy, which means their God legislated their laws for them.
In other words, it was an arbitrary rule that had no real purpose other than as a stumbling block for God's “chosen people”.It sounds like these “chosen people” should have rejected the deal and stayed pagans. They might have had a better chance to form some sensible rules. And, they could have had lobster while they discussed it!
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 09 2009,21:14) Do you feel persecuted t8?
I am not worried about persecution.
I expect it.In fact I would be a little worried if I didn't get any because scripture says that those that belong to God will be persecuted. And history shows that believers have been persecuted the world over from Roman times to today.
Darkness doesn't like the light one bit. It makes darkness feel very uncomfortable. So those who are of the darkness can react quite violently sometimes and can be obsessed with trying to put them down etc. Some countries are worse than others of course. In the USA, there are constitutional laws to protect those who want to express their faith.
Stu I was just pointing out that if what you say here was directed at homosexuals or some other relatively persecuted group of people, it would be considered persecution.
Let's just be honest and call it what it really is aye!
No point in playing a pretend game is there?
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