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Quote (Cato @ Aug. 04 2009,23:44) Come on folks it is obvious that there are perverted twisted individuals who fall into any sexual orientation, but that is not because of their basic orientation but other factors that make them hurt or abuse others. As far as homosexuals being oversexed I think you are looking at it from a limited viewpoint. Men are generally oversexed or horny whether homo or hetero its the way we're wired.
Because we are mainly men posting here when we talk of gays we usually think of gay men because that's what grosses us out. Face it, we are not as upset by lesbians in general and when they are not butch but lipstick lesbians most men seem to be of a more tolerant nature. Women, on the other hand seem much more tolerant of male gays.
My “tollerance” with sin of any nature is never the issue. God's tollerance with sin IS the issue.He punishes all sin. He names it for what it is in HIS sight. And wheh he names it ABOMINATION, we would do well to listen to what he has to say, and how he reacts when we ignore it or pretend he is not real.
Do you have any idea what will happen in your life if he decides to treat you as though you are not real?
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 05 2009,01:11) My “tollerance” with sin of any nature is never the issue. God's tollerance with sin IS the issue. He punishes all sin. He names it for what it is in HIS sight. And wheh he names it ABOMINATION, we would do well to listen to what he has to say, and how he reacts when we ignore it or pretend he is not real.
Do you have any idea what will happen in your life if he decides to treat you as though you are not real?
Yes God's view of the matter is pretty central here. So how do we know what is God's will in such matters? Scripture of course, but whose scripture Muslim, Hindu, Buddist, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Hebrew, Jain, Zoroastorian, Sikh, Shinto? Perhaps in the words of Jimminy Cricket we should let our conscience be our guide; yet maybe our conscience is influenced by that pesky ole Satan so we can't trust that either. How about reason and logic? Well no, for the mind of man is too limited to answer such without some prophet's divine revelation evidently.Do I know what would happen if God decided I wasn't real? Well I imagine I would cease to exist. Your point being?
For what it is worth I am a firm believer in the existence and benificience of an almighty God, creator of the multiverse. What I question and raise a doubting eye to, are the various people or works, be they Bible, Koran preacher or pope, who claim divine authority, revelation or knowledge of the Almighty's thoughts or intentions.
Stu said:
Quote These ARE victims you are discussing now. What are they victims of? Homosexuality or predation? They are victims of homosexual predation. You were the first to divide between predators when you said that heterosexuality has victims and homosexuality does not. What are they victims of? Heterosexuality or predation? The sword cuts both ways.
Stu said:
Quote Are you seriously suggesting that most or all homosexual activity is predatory? Are you challenged in the area of reading comprehension? I will copy and paste what I said:
Quote So it doesn't matter which predator takes the most victims. If homosexuals engage in organized crimes against young boys then the number of victims by homosexuals represent much more than anecdotal examples. I simply stated that the number of victims against homosexual predation represent much more than anecdotal examples. Are you a homosexual? It appears as if you don't like the truth.
thinker
Cato said:
Quote ome on folks it is obvious that there are perverted twisted individuals who fall into any sexual orientation, but that is not because of their basic orientation but other factors that make them hurt or abuse others. Cato,
Your statement is fair and reasonable. Now get Stu to listen. He chose the avatar with the ape covering its eyes for a reason. He doesn't want to see.thinker
WorshippingJesus wrote:
Quote The point is simple, these guys or gals also are predators and they have an agenda to make everyone like themselves. I don't know of any other predator that has such an agenda do you?
Really? Do you have a scripture for that or an official study? Or are you just making that up because you hate the sin and the sinner?
I don't doubt that there are homosexual predators, and there may even be a disproportinate number of them. (I personally have no idea.) But, that does not mean that all homosexuals are predatory. Or do you disagree?
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,08:05) Maybe you should add a companion poll asking women how many times they have been approached by a (non-spousal) man for sex. Should be enlightening! 
Seriously, unless you were forced to have sex with a gay person, I don't see what your point is.
Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999)
All unsolicited sexual advances are called “sexual harassment.” I hope you get the point now. A degree in rocket science was not needed to get WJ's point. He was not talking about rape. So your “statistics” are a diversion.thinker
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 05 2009,02:31) WorshippingJesus wrote: Quote The point is simple, these guys or gals also are predators and they have an agenda to make everyone like themselves. I don't know of any other predator that has such an agenda do you?
Really? Do you have a scripture for that or an official study? Or are you just making that up because you hate the sin and the sinner?
I don't doubt that there are homosexual predators, and there may even be a disproportinate number of them. (I personally have no idea.) But, that does not mean that all homosexuals are predatory. Or do you disagree?
Who said that all homosexuals are predators? Would you please produce where someone has said this on this board? This discussion goes on because Stu thinks that there is no such thing as a homosexual predator. But the first sexual predators in human history were indeed homosexuals. Not that this makes their sin worse than heterosexual predation.This discussion goes on also because the homosexual loving media hides their sins. I am prompted to say that non-consentual homosexual sex occurs more than you seculars want to admit.
thinker
thinker,
Do you really think that “unwanted sexual advances” are perpetrated more frequently by homosexuals than heterosexual males? In other words, do you think sexual harassment is a uniquely homosexual phenomenon?
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 05 2009,02:37) thinker, Do you really think that “unwanted sexual advances” are perpetrated more frequently by homosexuals than heterosexual males? In other words, do you think sexual harassment is a uniquely homosexual phenomenon?
You appear to have reading comprehension problems too. I said only that it goes on more than you seculars want to admit.thinker
Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,10:31) WorshippingJesus wrote: Quote The point is simple, these guys or gals also are predators and they have an agenda to make everyone like themselves. I don't know of any other predator that has such an agenda do you?
Really? Do you have a scripture for that or an official study? Or are you just making that up because you hate the sin and the sinner?
I don't doubt that there are homosexual predators, and there may even be a disproportinate number of them. (I personally have no idea.) But, that does not mean that all homosexuals are predatory. Or do you disagree?
Hi WITI never said that they were all predators!
But as I said, I have been approached 4 times in my youth 12-16 years of age by Homosexual men for sex!
Thats quite a number don't you think considering I was only one person and it was only 4 years in my life!
WJ
WhatIsTrue said:
Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999) It seems that the homosexual predator ratio is high despite the statistics given above. There is a whole lot of homosexual predation for such a small group. Homosexuals make up only .01% of the population in the U.S. If it was turned around and the population of heterosexuals was only .01% then the statistics would be quite different. WIT did not take this into consideration.
thinker
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 05 2009,02:45) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,10:31) WorshippingJesus wrote: Quote The point is simple, these guys or gals also are predators and they have an agenda to make everyone like themselves. I don't know of any other predator that has such an agenda do you?
Really? Do you have a scripture for that or an official study? Or are you just making that up because you hate the sin and the sinner?
I don't doubt that there are homosexual predators, and there may even be a disproportinate number of them. (I personally have no idea.) But, that does not mean that all homosexuals are predatory. Or do you disagree?
Hi WITI never said that they were all predators!
But as I said, I have been approached 4 times in my youth 12-16 years of age by Homosexual men for sex!
Thats quite a number don't you think considering I was only one person and it was only 4 years in my life!
WJ
WJ,
And all this happened to you when homosexuals are only .01% of the U.S. population. Imagine the degradation if they were the majority.thinker
WorshippingJesus and thinker,
If all you are saying is that homosexual predators exist, then I agree (and apologize for misunderstanding you). However, take a look at the title of this thread, “Have you ever been approached by some one gay?, The truth about their agenda!” Does that not look like a blanket generalization about homosexuality in general? Can you see why people might think that you are painting all homosexuals with the same predatory brush?
Quote Estimates of the occurrence of exclusive homosexuality range from >1% to 10% of the population, usually finding there are slightly more gay men than lesbians. What's your source?
Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 04 2009,20:06) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Aug. 04 2009,07:28) Quote An estimated 91% of victims of rape are female, 9% are male and 99% of offenders are male. (Bureau of Justice Statistics 1999) This isn't rocket science. If you want to argue that a sexual orientation is bad because it “has victims”, then heterosexuality should have long ago been outlawed, owing to its great number of rape victims.
For the record, I am in Cato's camp. I don't “get” homosexuality, but as long as it is taking place in the realm of consenting adults, I don't need to.
I am qurious as to your background in religious training, if any.And the reason for this curiosity, is because yesterday's Tampa Tribune (8/3/09) has another article concerning the Episcopalian Church's position; that they are ordaining one Gay and one Lesbian Bishop. It is causing a split in the Episcopalian community, but the “leaders” responsible don't seem to care about that.
Is it that you have no understanding of what scripture says about the issue, Is it that you don't care what scripture says about the issue, or is it that you disagree with what scripture says about the issue?
Would you care to respond?
I thought that I clearly identified myself as a Catoite in my last post. In any case, let me ask you this: Do you eat shellfish, (e.g crab, lobster, shrimp, etc.)?
Lev 11:10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.
That word “abomination” is the same word used to describe homosexuality.
Lev 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.
Are you as disdainful of shellfish as you are of homosexuality?
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 05 2009,03:23) It seems that the homosexual predator ratio is high despite the statistics given above. There is a whole lot of homosexual predation for such a small group. Homosexuals make up only .01% of the population in the U.S. If it was turned around and the population of heterosexuals was only .01% then the statistics would be quite different. WIT did not take this into consideration. thinker
Yes I too would be interested in your source. While we may never know the true numbers most experts place the percentage much higher then .01% as you claimed.In his 1948 book, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, Alfred Kinsey announced that 10% of the male population is gay.
A 1993 Janus Report estimated that nine percent of men and five percent of women had more than “occasional” homosexual relationships.
The Family Research Report says “around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are homosexual or bisexual.”
The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force estimates three to eight percent of both sexes.
According to the Gallop poll researchers: “In August 2002, Gallup asked Americans, in an open-ended format, to estimate the percentage of American men and the percentage of American women who are homosexual. The average estimates were that 21% of men are gay and 22% of women are lesbians. In fact, roughly a quarter of the public thinks more than 25% of men and 25% of women are homosexual. It should be pointed out, too, that many Americans (at least one in six) could not give an estimate.
Male respondents tend to give lower estimates of both the male and female homosexual population than female respondents do. The average estimates among male respondents are that 16% of men and 21% of women are homosexual. Among female respondents, the average estimates are that 26% of men and 23% of women are homosexual. Somewhat interestingly, both sexes believe there are more homosexuals in the opposite sex than in their own sex.
So who is right? I don't think anyone has a good handle on it. Personnally I find 10% too high but your .01% (wherever you got it from) to be way too low.
If abrahamists did not preach from a book that contains pronouncements of abomination and incitements to murder for gay people, taken seriously by so many redneck christians, then maybe people would be more honest about their sexual feelings.
The difficulty in determining this figure I would guess is not only due to the risk of social isolation because of persecution by inhuman religionists, but because sexuality is a spectrum and different people will have a different self-view about exactly what their attraction is, which may not be purely gay or straight but somewhere between the two, perhaps leaning more one way than the other.
This is why Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Romans are books for simpletons, they oversimplify a complex and fascinating question and kill it dead. Or would like to kill the subjects of the question dead.
It might be more reliable to forget claims of higher predation rates that cannot be substantiated because a figure for homosexuality cannot be determined, and turn it round and say that it is likely that the figures for gay people and straight people are in proportion, and therefore the proportion of men who are gay is about 9%. After all the motives, whatever they are, must be similar.
Any conjecture out there on an explanation for this absurd claim that gay people are more predatory? A mechanism that goes beyond a brainless application of the 'evil' dogma? I think scripture and those who follow it blindly are peddling toxic hot air on this one.
Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 05 2009,02:20) Cato said: Quote ome on folks it is obvious that there are perverted twisted individuals who fall into any sexual orientation, but that is not because of their basic orientation but other factors that make them hurt or abuse others. Cato,
Your statement is fair and reasonable. Now get Stu to listen. He chose the avatar with the ape covering its eyes for a reason. He doesn't want to see.thinker
My avatar cannot believe the nonsense it reads here!Stuart
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 05 2009,02:17) They are victims of homosexual predation. You were the first to divide between predators when you said that heterosexuality has victims and homosexuality does not. What are they victims of? Heterosexuality or predation? The sword cuts both ways.
It should have been clear to you that I was pointing out that your use of the phrase homosexual predation is just a feeble attempt to associate the thing you have unspeakable hatred for (unless you have ripped Leviticus out of your bible) with predation. I personally do not think there is anything think particularly as heterosexual predation, there is just predation. As I posted in another of these pointless threads, being invented on the half-hour by WJ as they are, the rate of predatory behaviour would appear to be higher in those with a long-term adherence to christianity. Shall we start a new catchphrase of christian predation? That would seem more deserving of its own category than a sexuality-based one.Stuart
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