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Bingo Stuart…only to know in which who's god you have been deceived into believing, the days of ignorance reigns.wisdom is more precious than anything in this world
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 21 2008,18:48) Hi 9490210 Quote Then you would not be serving the same God as I but because of your blindness you have failed to understand:
I really don’t think you know which god you worship.Isaiah 42:21: The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will exalt the law, and make it honorable.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Is it the OT one or the NT one you bother? Has it really escaped your notice that I do not serve any gods?
By the way what blindness?
Stuart
Hi Stu:The Law to which these verses of scripture refer are the Ten Commandments which are fufilled in the commandments that God has given to humanity through Our Lord and His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
Quote Rom 13:8 ¶ Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.It isn't God's will that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance, and so, my prayer to God is that He would do every thing within His power to bring all men to repentance, and asking Him to help those who want His help in overcoming sin.
There is a day of judgement coming when every man shall give an account of his life to God. This world is temporary and is meant for the purpose of calling those who want to hear out destruction to themselves and others through sin and into a relationship with God.
If I love those who are practicing sin of any kind, and I do, I will tell them the truth, and I have.
And so, having done this, the only thing left for me to do is to continue in prayer in their behalf. I will do this.
Hi 9490210
Quote The Law to which these verses of scripture refer are the Ten Commandments which are fufilled in the commandments that God has given to humanity through Our Lord and His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
The Pauline passage you quote does not discount the vitriol of Deuteronomy Numbers and Leviticus. In Matthew and Timothy it is very clear. It is all good to teach and must be fulfilled. All of it. How do you think god feels about you denying his word?Quote It isn't God's will that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance, and so, my prayer to God is that He would do every thing within His power to bring all men to repentance, and asking Him to help those who want His help in overcoming sin.
So you don’t want to stone people then. You and Jesus together have no spine for fulfilling the laws. Maybe that is why statistically your prayer seems to be failing. All the sinners are still alive!Quote There is a day of judgement coming when every man shall give an account of his life to God. This world is temporary and is meant for the purpose of calling those who want to hear out destruction to themselves and others through sin and into a relationship with God.
More unthinking christian bile. You pump this out like it is good oil but in my opinion your ideology is inherently an evil one. After oxygen, water, shelter, warmth, and companionship how far down the list of pressing human needs is that a god had himself killed because humans were not doing what it told them to do?
There is a better argument that Jesus should have been stoned for letting off all the adulterers, heathens and homosexuals.Quote If I love those who are practicing sin of any kind, and I do, I will tell them the truth, and I have.
Your brand of love is a bit conditional for my liking. You have told them your truth, for which you have no evidence whatever. Are you honest and say that your god cannot be seen (part of the same chapter in John you were quoting earlier)? Or do you tell people that god can be seen as happens many times in the OT? Which god do you worship? The visible or the invisible one? Unless you say candidly that you take scriptural ‘truth’ on blind faith then I suppose you are more Jewish than anything. The good news is that atheists do not sin. They do not respect the simple-minded dogmatic concept of ‘sin’ and consider it to be a blight on humanity that some would seek to control others through such an elaborate psychological hoax. Fortunately modern science has corroded severely the basis for religious mythology and people in most Western cultures are turning away from christianity in large numbers. Ethical thinking has left simplistic scriptures behind.Quote And so, having done this, the only thing left for me to do is to continue in prayer in their behalf. I will do this.
…and reap the same results, ie: no measurable difference. Shouldn’t you be taking action on behalf of your Jewish bible and getting out there and stoning gay people?Stuart
Hi Stu:
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The Law to which these verses of scripture refer are the Ten Commandments which are fufilled in the commandments that God has given to humanity through Our Lord and His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.You say in response to the above:
The Pauline passage you quote does not discount the vitriol of Deuteronomy Numbers and Leviticus. In Matthew and Timothy it is very clear. It is all good to teach and must be fulfilled. All of it. How do you think god feels about you denying his word?
How is that clear in Matthew and Timothy. Please give me the scriptures which give you that impression.
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It isn't God's will that any man should perish but that all should come to repentance, and so, my prayer to God is that He would do every thing within His power to bring all men to repentance, and asking Him to help those who want His help in overcoming sin.You say in response to the above:
So you don’t want to stone people then. You and Jesus together have no spine for fulfilling the laws. Maybe that is why statistically your prayer seems to be failing. All the sinners are still alive!
No, neither Jesus nor I want to see anyone stoned to death or destroyed by the seven last plagues or in the lake of fire. Jesus gave his life so that no one would have to be destroyed, and so if they are destroyed, it is because that is what they chose for themselves.
I don't know what the stastics are, but this scene in the book of revelation shows me that my prayers are not failing:
Quote Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.There is a day of judgement coming when every man shall give an account of his life to God. This world is temporary and is meant for the purpose of calling those who want to hear out destruction to themselves and others through sin and into a relationship with God.
You say:
More unthinking christian bile. You pump this out like it is good oil but in my opinion your ideology is inherently an evil one. After oxygen, water, shelter, warmth, and companionship how far down the list of pressing human needs is that a god had himself killed because humans were not doing what it told them to do?
There is a better argument that Jesus should have been stoned for letting off all the adulterers, heathens and homosexualsWithout God none of us would have any of those physical needs that you mentioned, and without Him having given us Jesus as our Lord and to be the propitiation for our sins, there would be no forgiveness for our sins. Jesus has not “let off adulters, homosexuals or any other indivual practicing sin”. Anyone who continues to practice sin wilfully will have to give an account of their life to God, and will be punished according to their works. He made a way that no would have to be punished unless that is what they choose.
Quote Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead. Quote Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead. Quote
If I love those who are practicing sin of any kind, and I do, I will tell them the truth, and I have.You say in response to the above:
Your brand of love is a bit conditional for my liking. You have told them your truth, for which you have no evidence whatever. Are you honest and say that your god cannot be seen (part of the same chapter in John you were quoting earlier)? Or do you tell people that god can be seen as happens many times in the OT? Which god do you worship? The visible or the invisible one? Unless you say candidly that you take scriptural ‘truth’ on blind faith then I suppose you are more Jewish than anything. The good news is that atheists do not sin. They do not respect the simple-minded dogmatic concept of ‘sin’ and consider it to be a blight on humanity that some would seek to control others through such an elaborate psychological hoax. Fortunately modern science has corroded severely the basis for religious mythology and people in most Western cultures are turning away from christianity in large numbers. Ethical thinking has left simplistic scriptures behind.
I do have evidence which I have shared with you. Only you believe that I am not telling you the truth, but as I have said to you, you will find out that I have been telling the truth. Of that there is no doubt. But since you say you do not sin, maybe you won't have a problem. Science can never change the fact that God is a reality regardless of how much “so called evidence” they may think they have.
QuoteAnd so, having done this, the only thing left for me to do is to continue in prayer in their behalf. I will do this.
You say in response to the above:
…and reap the same results, ie: no measurable difference. Shouldn’t you be taking action on behalf of your Jewish bible and getting out there and stoning gay people?
There will be results and so, I'll just keep on praying because I know that God hears and answers my prayers.
Hi 9490210
Quote How is that clear in Matthew and Timothy. Please give me the scriptures which give you that impression.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
You’ve had the Matthew already.Quote No, neither Jesus nor I want to see anyone stoned to death or destroyed by the seven last plagues or in the lake of fire. Jesus gave his life so that no one would have to be destroyed, and so if they are destroyed, it is because that is what they chose for themselves. [/.quote]
“We don’t want that to happen, but it will because people make the wrong choices”. Was that one of the plotlines in The Silence of the Lambs? I can’t remember. Regardless, it is the mentality of the psychopath. I say Jesus can go and get stuffed if he claimed to pass moral judgement on people who are doing no harm to anyone else. Of course Jesus probably didn’t do any of the things Paul, ‘John’, or ‘Mark’ claimed of him. If he existed at all. What you read in the gospels is the triumph of Paul over Jesus. Paul’s bigotry is quite psychopathic, almost sociopathic.Without God none of us would have any of those physical needs that you mentioned, and without Him having given us Jesus as our Lord and to be the propitiation for our sins, there would be no forgiveness for our sins. Jesus has not “let off adulters, homosexuals or any other indivual practicing sin”.
He incited people to neglect Jewish law. Why should he not have been punished?Quote Anyone who continues to practice sin wilfully will have to give an account of their life to God, and will be punished according to their works. He made a way that no would have to be punished unless that is what they choose.
Your threats on behalf of your monstrous imaginary friend should not put anyone off. Is that your message for the world? There is a let-off now for sinning but just watch out: god will get you in the end? That is a joke philosophy.Quote I do have evidence which I have shared with you. Only you believe that I am not telling you the truth, but as I have said to you, you will find out that I have been telling the truth. Of that there is no doubt.
Please remind me what evidence you presented. Please say how any evidence can be presented ‘without doubt’. What of faith? I am telling you the truth that there is no god. If I say it twice then I am winning 2 to 1. How is your mythology any better than my unsupported denial? Because you really believe yours and I have measured doubts about mine? Believing really hard makes no difference to the nature of the truth.Quote But since you say you do not sin, maybe you won't have a problem.
The other reason is that fairytales cannot do you much damage. Of course the people who believe in them can.Quote Science can never change the fact that God is a reality regardless of how much “so called evidence” they may think they have.
God is not a fact, it is a conjecture. Since there is no evidence for it whatever, the certainty people have that there is a god, in the face of no evidence, has to be called a delusion.Quote There will be results and so, I'll just keep on praying because I know that God hears and answers my prayers.
What results? There never are any. No intercessory prayer has ever shown to make any statistical difference to anything. You just saying it does not make it true.Stuart
Quote (942767 @ Sep. 23 2008,09:49) Hi Stu: I believe you. To you there is no God.
Hi Perhaps God exists just like fashion
clothes were created the same day Adam created God as a communicating being.Quote (942767 @ Sep. 23 2008,11:57) Hi Charity: You say:
Adam created God as a communicating being.??
yes he was the first to hear God? was he not?Quote (charity @ Sep. 23 2008,12:02) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 23 2008,11:57) Hi Charity: You say:
Adam created God as a communicating being.??
yes he was the first to hear God? was he not?
True that he was the first to hear God, but I personally don't beleive that the word “created” fits this scenario.Quote (942767 @ Sep. 23 2008,12:52) Quote (charity @ Sep. 23 2008,12:02) Quote (942767 @ Sep. 23 2008,11:57) Hi Charity: You say:
Adam created God as a communicating being.??
yes he was the first to hear God? was he not?
True that he was the first to hear God, but I personally don't beleive that the word “created” fits this scenario.
If Adam did not truly hear from God, and never has been CALLED INTO question, then the earth is formed by his word against no adversary.
then why need a second Adam to arrive, and gives his word that he has come to remove sin out of the world, that the first Adam made the whole earth sinners, And THE SECOND adam rectifies the problem by never attempting to say God has communicated with him?He is not the Same Adam, politics, but is holding the same likewise, power to convince people and form a new world, and call it his new creation!
Adam was in government, Jesus is the on flow of the new government, set out in His Father David Kingdoms, Davids government has no end, and that is the father that Jesus followed.
The mission of Jesus
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.The Lord of Hosts shall preform this!
overlord: a person who has general authority over others, gifted with influence.
As TO THE PERSONALITY OF God, The steps of a good Man are ordered by the Lord,and his enemies shall indulge as the fat of a Lamb, they boroweth as their payment for failing, righteousness has mercy, for even a brother that has come out of the closet. and he has not power to turn back time! Justice is mercy,
Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth [him with] his hand.Psa 37:19They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD [shall be] as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.Hi Charity:
I don't even know where to begin with answering your questions, and so, I'll just post the following scripture:
[QUOT1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
E][/QUOTE]I am praying that God would do all that he can do in His power to bring all men to repentance, and to help those who want His help in overcoming sin. Do you want to join me in this prayer?
I can tell you with confidence that God is a reality and that his testimony regarding His Son and His Christ is true. Does that answer your questions.
9490210
“God is a reality” is your unsupported assertion. That has no weight in any proper discussion. Are we to submit to your authority on the matter? That seems to be your attitude. This 'testimony' (are we talking about scripture here?) is not actually signed and dated by very many people. Certainly there is not any kind of 'signature' of a creator god of the kind you seem so blindly convinced of. You would think there was something unquestionably 'goddy' in the world if there were a deity. Well what is it that could not possibly exist without god? I don't know everything, but I've thought quite hard about it for a long time and I can't think of anything. Can you enlighten us with an actual fact?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2008,07:14) “God is a reality” is your unsupported assertion.
Stu.“God is not a reality” is your unsupported assertion.
I have my proof that God exists, but you have no proof for yourself either way.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 25 2008,13:00) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2008,07:14) “God is a reality” is your unsupported assertion.
Stu.“God is not a reality” is your unsupported assertion.
I have my proof that God exists, but you have no proof for yourself either way.
You have never told anyone here your 'proof'. Of course that is because it is all bluff. You cannot prove gods, everyone here seems to realise that except you. I suppose with your track record on logic no one should be surprised.“God is not a reality” is my provisional scientific conclusion, based on the evidence.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 25 2008,07:14) 9490210 “God is a reality” is your unsupported assertion. That has no weight in any proper discussion. Are we to submit to your authority on the matter? That seems to be your attitude. This 'testimony' (are we talking about scripture here?) is not actually signed and dated by very many people. Certainly there is not any kind of 'signature' of a creator god of the kind you seem so blindly convinced of. You would think there was something unquestionably 'goddy' in the world if there were a deity. Well what is it that could not possibly exist without god? I don't know everything, but I've thought quite hard about it for a long time and I can't think of anything. Can you enlighten us with an actual fact?
Stuart
Hi Stu:I suppose that the best evidence that God is a reality is someone's testimony of God's changing his life for the better. The scripture states that “they will know you are Christians by your love”.
Of course, this is only solid evidence to those who knew me before my conversion experience and who know me now as God has transformed my life.
I recently posted that God had answered my prayer regarding showing me a ministry through whom I could contribute some money to relieve the suffering of the people of Haiti in “my personal testimony” section if you are interested. I believe that this is evidence that God is a reality. He answers my prayers.
I pray that God will show you that he is a reality through somone that you know now who will accept the Lord Jesus as his saviour, and let you see a radical transformation of that perosn's life. Perhaps, that will be evidence that will acceptable to you.
I am not asking you to submit to my authority. I can only tell you what I know to be the truth. The authority in the Church is the Lord Jesus through the Word of God.
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