Holy Jerusalem

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,18:46)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 17 2013,17:04) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,09:18) Terra. Why would you abandon such a knowledge,when it can increase your knowledge in knowing your God? wakeup. wup to be honest I have not learn anything from any one except Mike who pointed out a couple things that I did not pay attention close enough , all I have learn I have received from God trough his word,piece by piece I do never abandon my knowledge what I share with any one I meet and the wife ,so it is not lost, Terra. You should have learned plenty by now, but if you can not see, then maybe its not time, yet. Maybe some other time. wakeup.

wup

yeah ,I will watch you for your wisdom ,wen I see it ,

it seems that the story that j42 tells about you do not mach up with your behavior ,why is that

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,18:46)

Terra. You should have learned plenty by now, but if you can not see, then maybe its not time, yet. Maybe some other time. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Are you “a teacher”?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:17)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,18:46) Terra. You should have learned plenty by now, but if you can not see, then maybe its not time, yet. Maybe some other time. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Are you “a teacher”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

Yes I am a teacher,and I can teach you plenty if only you humble yourself and have the passion for the truth.

What say you?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Ed is a witness between us that “YHVH is GOD”(117).

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:41)

Ed is a witness between us that “YHVH is GOD”(117).

EdJ.

Why is Ed the witness lacking knowledge?
Who's witness are you?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,19:35)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,18:46) Terra. You should have learned plenty by now, but if you can not see, then maybe its not time, yet. Maybe some other time. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Are you “a teacher”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Yes I am a teacher,and I can teach you plenty if only you humble yourself and have the passion for the truth. What say you? wakeup.

wup

because you claim yourself a teacher you also make yourself the teacher of teachers right

because it is your understanding that is the truth of God and only your understanding that as to count ,all others have to come to you for understanding ,right

this is arrogance not humility  ,

you request others to come to you in humbleness while you are arrogant, think again ,

their is only one teacher Christ and he humble himself to teach us ,take his example , if you want to succeed in true teaching

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2013,00:58)

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:41) Ed is a witness between us that “YHVH is GOD”(117). EdJ. Why is Ed the witness lacking knowledge? Who's witness are you? wakeup.

Why is it that people always seem to ask the very question that is answered in the post they are responding to?

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,00:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,19:35) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,18:46) Terra. You should have learned plenty by now, but if you can not see, then maybe its not time, yet. Maybe some other time. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Are you “a teacher”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Yes I am a teacher,and I can teach you plenty if only you humble yourself and have the passion for the truth. What say you? wakeup. wup because you claim yourself a teacher you also make yourself the teacher of teachers right because it is your understanding that is the truth of God and only your understanding that as to count ,all others have to come to you for understanding ,right this is arrogance not humility  , you request others to come to you in humbleness while you are arrogant, think again , their is only one teacher Christ and he humble himself to teach us ,take his example , if you want to succeed in true teaching

Terra.

So why isnt there any body that can proof me wrong?
But only name calling?
Clouds without rain you are.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Name-calling will not work, Wake up!

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:01)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,00:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,19:35) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:17) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,18:46) Terra. You should have learned plenty by now, but if you can not see, then maybe its not time, yet. Maybe some other time. wakeup. Hi Wakeup, Are you “a teacher”? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org EdJ. Yes I am a teacher,and I can teach you plenty if only you humble yourself and have the passion for the truth. What say you? wakeup. wup because you claim yourself a teacher you also make yourself the teacher of teachers right because it is your understanding that is the truth of God and only your understanding that as to count ,all others have to come to you for understanding ,right this is arrogance not humility  , you request others to come to you in humbleness while you are arrogant, think again , their is only one teacher Christ and he humble himself to teach us ,take his example , if you want to succeed in true teaching Terra. So why isnt there any body that can proof me wrong? But only name calling? Clouds without rain you are. wakeup.

wup

you have no truth nor wisdom ,you ask a question that no one want to answer ,but I will ;

first could you show wrong if so do it ;and i will show you why you can not do it ;

I have study many human behavior in my live time so lets do it if you can ;

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,01:01)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 18 2013,00:58) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:41) Ed is a witness between us that “YHVH is GOD”(117). EdJ. Why is Ed the witness lacking knowledge? Who's witness are you? wakeup. Why is it that people always seem to ask the very question that is answered in the post they are responding to?

EdJ.

All your answers are not answering the scriptures,but your own doctrine that you have heeped up.
And you are answering your own doctrine.

You can not answer the scriptures,and you are not alone.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

wup

this is one of the reasons that no one can prove you wrong ;

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All your answers are not answering the scriptures,but your own doctrine that you have heeped up. And you are answering your own doctrine. You can not answer the scriptures,and you are not alone. wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,01:09)

wup this is one of the reasons that no one can prove you wrong ; Quote All your answers are not answering the scriptures,but your own doctrine that you have heeped up. And you are answering your own doctrine. You can not answer the scriptures,and you are not alone. wakeup.

Terra.

You have no armour to protect yourself.
If you have,you would have used it to protect your believe. But you have non.

You are lame. clouds with no rain.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:16)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,01:09) wup this is one of the reasons that no one can prove you wrong ; Quote All your answers are not answering the scriptures,but your own doctrine that you have heeped up. And you are answering your own doctrine. You can not answer the scriptures,and you are not alone. wakeup. Terra. You have no armour to protect yourself. If you have,you would have used it to protect your believe. But you have non. You are lame. clouds with no rain. wakeup.

[journey42]

Pierre

Thank you for that.  Please take a look at this and any one else who wants to discuss.

1 Corinthians 15:25   For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Christ is not reigning yet, because his no. 1 enemy, Satan is still loose.  
Nations and kings are not serving Christ.  
People are still worshiping false gods, and innocents are getting killed.  
Hunger & wars still exist.
In some countries, christians are being killed.
Every day there is death.
Very few are God fearing.
So no. 1 enemy, Satan is not yet under Christ's feet (not destroyed)
So Christ must reign …till….till…till…
…this means that this reign, this position, or job given to Christ is for a set amount of time.  We know that it is for a thousand years according to scripture.

Rev 20:4   ….but they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years

It says so right there.  It's plain, and simple.  Straight forward.

So Satan is No.1 enemy, but there is also another enemy

1 Corinthians 15:26   The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

…1 Corinthians 15:25   For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

All enemies.  This includes death.  The last enemy.

Rev 20:14   And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.  This is the second death.

1 Corinthians 15:25   For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Can you see this?  Christ will reign till all enemies have been put under his feet (destroyed)  then Christ will hand the kingdom back to his Father. Christ inherits everything anyway.  All that is his, belongs to his Father still.  His Father entrusted him to complete a job, and that is to clean up and present a pure church to his Father.  All corruption gone.  So now, the earth must be melted and renewed.  

Rev 21:1   And I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea.

All things are made new.  The wicked are all gone.  Death is destroyed, so no more death existing (the last enemy)

Rev 21:3   And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them and be their God.

So after death is destroyed, the and the earth melted and renewed, Christ hands back the kingdom to his Father.

So how does chapters Rev 21:10-27 fit in?
There are boundaries. 2414km square.  That's not a large area.  We supposed to get the whole earth and the heaven, and even the universe.
If everyone is going to be ONE, then why are there nations still there. Why the division? Why do kings bring their glory and honor into it?  What kings?

Two visions.  The holy city new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, just after 2nd judgement,  death already destroyed, with God dwelling amongst the people, (there cannot be any more wars from here now) Satan gone.
then the next vision REV 21:10 onwards depicting a city with boundaries and nations.  And the nations are getting healed and no-one defiled can enter this holy city.

2 Visions.  Not one continuation.  But two different visions.  Slightly the same, but different.  Why?
Something to think about.

[terraricca]

j42

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So how does chapters Rev 21:10-27 fit in? There are boundaries. 2414km square. That's not a large area. We supposed to get the whole earth and the heaven, and even the universe. If everyone is going to be ONE, then why are there nations still there. Why the division? Why do kings bring their glory and honor into it? What kings? Two visions. The holy city new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, just after 2nd judgement, death already destroyed, with God dwelling amongst the people, (there cannot be any more wars from here now) Satan gone. then the next vision REV 21:10 onwards depicting a city with boundaries and nations. And the nations are getting healed and no-one defiled can enter this holy city. 2 Visions. Not one continuation. But two different visions. Slightly the same, but different. Why? Something to think about.

understand that the boundaries are those of the heavenly Jerusalem because that city is not a part of the earth but comes down to earth ,

also know that only the 144k are receiving immortality no men living on earth as received immortality and incorruptibility ,only the 144k have that so that everlasting live ,could still be corrupt ,this is why that city has boundaries so that no one can enter it that is corrupt, just as it was with Moses and the tabernacle

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,01:49)

j42 Quote So how does chapters Rev 21:10-27 fit in? There are boundaries. 2414km square.  That's not a large area.  We supposed to get the whole earth and the heaven, and even the universe. If everyone is going to be ONE, then why are there nations still there. Why the division? Why do kings bring their glory and honor into it?  What kings? Two visions.  The holy city new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, just after 2nd judgement,  death already destroyed, with God dwelling amongst the people, (there cannot be any more wars from here now) Satan gone. then the next vision REV 21:10 onwards depicting a city with boundaries and nations.  And the nations are getting healed and no-one defiled can enter this holy city. 2 Visions.  Not one continuation.  But two different visions.  Slightly the same, but different.  Why? Something to think about. understand that the boundaries are those of the heavenly Jerusalem because that city is not a part of the earth but comes down to earth , also know that only the 144k are receiving immortality no men living on earth as received immortality and incorruptibility ,only the 144k have that so that everlasting live ,could still be corrupt ,this is why that city has boundaries so that no one can enter it that is corrupt, just as it was with Moses and the tabernacle

Terra.

Take off your dark glasses so you may see.
Why should the kingdom in heaven have boundaries?

Are there in heaven that have no immortality?
Where is that in scripture? This is something new you have dreamed up, just to answer the question.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 17 2013,20:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,01:49) j42 Quote So how does chapters Rev 21:10-27 fit in? There are boundaries. 2414km square.  That's not a large area.  We supposed to get the whole earth and the heaven, and even the universe. If everyone is going to be ONE, then why are there nations still there. Why the division? Why do kings bring their glory and honor into it?  What kings? Two visions.  The holy city new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, just after 2nd judgement,  death already destroyed, with God dwelling amongst the people, (there cannot be any more wars from here now) Satan gone. then the next vision REV 21:10 onwards depicting a city with boundaries and nations.  And the nations are getting healed and no-one defiled can enter this holy city. 2 Visions.  Not one continuation.  But two different visions.  Slightly the same, but different.  Why? Something to think about. understand that the boundaries are those of the heavenly Jerusalem because that city is not a part of the earth but comes down to earth , also know that only the 144k are receiving immortality no men living on earth as received immortality and incorruptibility ,only the 144k have that so that everlasting live ,could still be corrupt ,this is why that city has boundaries so that no one can enter it that is corrupt, just as it was with Moses and the tabernacle Terra. Take off your dark glasses so you may see. Why should the kingdom in heaven have boundaries? Are there in heaven that have no immortality? Where is that in scripture? This is something new you have dreamed up, just to answer the question. wakeup.

wup

again you bud in ,not knowing what we talking about ,play smart Alec ,

you learn from me but to proud to recognize it ,and so always insult me ,

my discussion is with J42 so leave it alone it is out of your ability to understand ,

the first thing you do is mixing THE KINGDOM WITH THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM ,

then ask for scriptures ;

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,01:09)

wup this is one of the reasons that no one can prove you wrong ; Quote All your answers are not answering the scriptures,but your own doctrine that you have heeped up. And you are answering your own doctrine. You can not answer the scriptures,and you are not alone. wakeup.

Hi Pierre,

Don't say that you never learned anything from me.
I taught you that others see the weakness in
their own character reflected in others.      …remember?

And you are now pointing this FACT out to Wakeup;  
to which he will certainly not believe it is true.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 18 2013,00:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 18 2013,01:09) wup this is one of the reasons that no one can prove you wrong ; Quote All your answers are not answering the scriptures,but your own doctrine that you have heeped up. And you are answering your own doctrine. You can not answer the scriptures,and you are not alone. wakeup. Hi Pierre, Don't say that you never learned anything from me. I taught you that others see the weakness in their own character reflected in others.      …remember? And you are now pointing this FACT out to Wakeup;   to which he will certainly not believe it is true. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

yes ,agreed

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