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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2009,16:53) Hi BD,
Yourt only intent is to attempt to break scripture.
Look up ant, the foot falls near.
Breaking? Clarifying? Interpretating? Nick Hassan no offense but your starting to sound a little Pharasitical.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,23:41) Hi CON,
Are you part of the team defending Jesus and his way or not?
I defend Yeshua HaMoshiach with every breath, am I required to belong to a certain team?Your Team?
The Catholic Church operated under the Team concept and killed millions of Non-Catholics and Protestants.
Many Church Denominations today operate under the Team Concept, if you are not one of them then you are the enemy.
Also the Team Concept always operate under their own set of rules, and if not followed then you are ostricized.
So I am not a Team Player because I refuse to show hatred towards bodhitharta and his beliefs?
Yeshua HaMoshiach is my personal Savior NOT the Team.
So no I guess I am not part of the Team.
Also Yeshua does not need defending, I am sure he can take care of himself quite well. My job is to love my brother, and yes that includes bodhitharta and his beliefs, or a Hindu, or a Zen Bhuddist, or a Mormon, or a Jw, or even you who hates anyone who is not onboard with your team.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2009,00:15) Hi CON,
Pharisaical?How does exposing false religion show this?
Meditate on it, you will understand.Also be careful on your judgments, because if you teach the smallest thing that may be untrue then you will suffer your same judgments.
Even though in you intellect you feel 100% true and correct.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,23:41) Hi CON,
Are you part of the team defending Jesus and his way or not?
Sounds like a threat.Hi
Falsehood is everywhere, everyone thinks they are right, one day we will all know the truth, the absolute truth, but for now, all we can do is have faith and know that God knows our confusion God knows we become lost in such an ocean of ideas, to just cling onto God as our lifeline, but which God? The creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in them, Muslims pray to the creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. So do Christians and Jews. Were all as bad and confused as each other, were all human, all made in Gods image, we cant all be right.
Though everyone thinks they are. Divisions arent good. Love is.Bod: Perhaps a thought on the subject of born again or recreating the mind from seeing and hearing a physical interpretation while reading the Bible to seeing and hearing in a spiritual interpretation which is a dream or picture in the mind. I think the disciples had a very hard time understanding what Jesus was saying because they
would interpret his words through physical understanding. Jesus said it is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. The disciples thought he was talking about a man with a lot of money. Jesus taught allegorically and in parables that create dreams and visions within the hearer. Pictures within like the rich man having more than enough knowledge or being filled with truth and not in need of any more. That rich man who think he already knows cannot see the Kingdom of God in a new form other than his preconceived beliefs.
Seeing the spirit in synonomus words like, God/love/peace/Jesus/spirit/ that all say the same thing because they are ONE. Jesus is all in all. God is all in all. Jesus is the sumation of all that the prophets wrote. Jesus is Jerusalem. Jesus is the temple. Jesus is the light of the temple. Jesus is the door, the true food, the priest, the high priest the holy of holies etc. The understanding that comes from the universal word transformations of the new testament is spiritual enlightenment.
Just some thoughts, thank you, Bless all, TK
Quote (karmarie @ Nov. 28 2009,03:45) Hi Falsehood is everywhere, everyone thinks they are right, one day we will all know the truth, the absolute truth, but for now, all we can do is have faith and know that God knows our confusion God knows we become lost in such an ocean of ideas, to just cling onto God as our lifeline, but which God? The creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in them, Muslims pray to the creator of the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. So do Christians and Jews. Were all as bad and confused as each other, were all human, all made in Gods image, we cant all be right.
Though everyone thinks they are. Divisions arent good. Love is.
I agreeQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,22:46) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 26 2009,16:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,21:39) Quote (banana @ Nov. 26 2009,13:33) TK Have you noticed that you never respond to scripture? although you are not the only one.
You have ask for prove in scripture, and I have given you the prove, did you acknowledge the scriptures, of course not, I wonder why?
Why are you here on this forum? for that matter, why is any one here on this forum? not to learn, I found that out shortly after I signed up.
When I respond to you or any one else, I do it for the benefit of those that view these posts, but are wise enough not to participate.
I try hard to explain why I believe what I believe by given you and others scriptures, but then I run into you, bod., Nick, and others that ignore scriptures, and instead come up with the wildest nonsense, and frankly, I do get frustrated at times, although I think I manage better than I used to, ask Nick.
I will tell you this though, if you think that you can teach me your nonsense, save it.Georg
I also have no interest in offending you or ignoring anything you have wrote, if I did not respond to a post I either did not know you were asking a question or perhaps I needed more time to reply and I didn't want to rush an empty answer to you.If I respond with what you consider nonsense then pray that either I learn that it is nonsense or that you learn that it is true but please don't be frustrated:
(21) Let not their speech grieve thee: for all power and honour belong to Allah. It is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
( Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #65)
Is that the same Yunus from “Momma's Family”?
In english it's Jonah or Jonas
I was making a joke.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 28 2009,19:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2009,23:41) Hi CON,
Are you part of the team defending Jesus and his way or not?
I defend Yeshua HaMoshiach with every breath, am I required to belong to a certain team?Your Team?
The Catholic Church operated under the Team concept and killed millions of Non-Catholics and Protestants.
Many Church Denominations today operate under the Team Concept, if you are not one of them then you are the enemy.
Also the Team Concept always operate under their own set of rules, and if not followed then you are ostricized.
So I am not a Team Player because I refuse to show hatred towards bodhitharta and his beliefs?
Yeshua HaMoshiach is my personal Savior NOT the Team.
So no I guess I am not part of the Team.
Also Yeshua does not need defending, I am sure he can take care of himself quite well. My job is to love my brother, and yes that includes bodhitharta and his beliefs, or a Hindu, or a Zen Bhuddist, or a Mormon, or a Jw, or even you who hates anyone who is not onboard with your team.
What love!Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 28 2009,23:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,22:46) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 26 2009,16:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,21:39) Quote (banana @ Nov. 26 2009,13:33) TK Have you noticed that you never respond to scripture? although you are not the only one.
You have ask for prove in scripture, and I have given you the prove, did you acknowledge the scriptures, of course not, I wonder why?
Why are you here on this forum? for that matter, why is any one here on this forum? not to learn, I found that out shortly after I signed up.
When I respond to you or any one else, I do it for the benefit of those that view these posts, but are wise enough not to participate.
I try hard to explain why I believe what I believe by given you and others scriptures, but then I run into you, bod., Nick, and others that ignore scriptures, and instead come up with the wildest nonsense, and frankly, I do get frustrated at times, although I think I manage better than I used to, ask Nick.
I will tell you this though, if you think that you can teach me your nonsense, save it.Georg
I also have no interest in offending you or ignoring anything you have wrote, if I did not respond to a post I either did not know you were asking a question or perhaps I needed more time to reply and I didn't want to rush an empty answer to you.If I respond with what you consider nonsense then pray that either I learn that it is nonsense or that you learn that it is true but please don't be frustrated:
(21) Let not their speech grieve thee: for all power and honour belong to Allah. It is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
( Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #65)
Is that the same Yunus from “Momma's Family”?
In english it's Jonah or Jonas
I was making a joke.
That's why I put the laughy face onQuote (942767 @ Nov. 28 2009,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,11:47) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,09:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,18:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 25 2009,07:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,18:43) But here we go again and it is a great travesty. Labeling people as unbelievers when they confess that ther are in-fact believers and then segregating them where every dialogue will be less honest for fear that to agree with the labled “Unbeliever” would create ostracism.
Devils confess and believe in God. But, they are not of the truth!Jesus said…
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: “NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME”. (and) “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO“: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6, 7
You say that you are a believer, then you would believe Jesus own words. If you know Jesus then you know the Father, for no one can come to the Father apart from him!
You have rejected his words above and his words concerning his death, and burial and his resurrection!
Paul received his words and that is what he preached to all men to be saved!
You try to mix the Islamic faith with Christianity, and that is heresy! There are believers in all kinds of things or gods. But there is One True God found only in Jesus Christ and not apart from him. Jesus said if any man try and climb up some other way than by him the same is a thief and a robber! He is the door! John 10
You also are mistaken about segregation, for like the humanistic teachings that all men are children of God you go about trying to put all men into one big melting pot, meaning there is no difference in true children of God and the devils children. Again those are Jesus own words for he called them children of the devil and said to not have any fellowship with their unfruitful ways! And no there are not many ways to God!
You would have the “Satan worshippers” worship Satan in Christian Churches.
Come out from among them the scriptures say, for we are not of this world!
The problem that you have and all secular humanist is they like to believe there is more than one way to God, and that is a lie, for the scriptures tell us there is “only one way” and if any man does not abide in that then he is not of the truth!
WJ
WJ,when Jesus says no one comes through the father except through me ask yourself what does that mean? Was he talking about Noah, Abraham, Joseph..who?
He was talking to the people he was sent to otherwise you would have to believe that before Jesus came no one loved God because they didn't love or accept Jesus.
Paul made it clear that you can go to the Father through him saying that he has even begotten through the Gospel and that those he begot should be followers of him
1 Corinthians 4:15-17 (King James Version)
15For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
The scriptures tell us no such thing, One scripture indicates that and many , many more show that God is always available to anyone who wants to find him.
I don't want to call you a liar but you are a liar to someone like Nick to whom you say believes like you.
Hi BD:He said “No man” can come to the Father but by him. Those who obeyed God in the OT were obeying God, but not without making mistakes. They all have sinned, and the wages of sin is death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus, those sins have been forgiven, and all who have obeyed God are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit of God when Jesus comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I have to ask you when Jesus said:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:5-7John 6:65 (King James Version)
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:43-45now look:
John 6:67-72 (King James Version)
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Why is it you seem to think certain sentences extend to every person reading the page in all ages? Was not Jesus talking to whom was given to him at the time?
So, “No one comes to the Father except by me” you see that as a permanent statement for all time
but “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:” You see that as not permanent, right?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:24-26
Hi BD:Maybe the following scriptures will help you to understand:
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise migh
t be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hbr 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.Quote Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Quote Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.Love in Christ,
Marty
I would like for you to show The Holy Spirit come through you as Jesus said that when you speak you should let happen but just place scripture in a post does nothing to show your Love for God or the way you are even understanding what you are giving other to understand. When the people come to you as a Bishop and they have a problem scripture quoting by itself may not avail much.Let God speak through you so we can see God in you.
Hi BD:Do you want my opinion or do you want God's Word? Certainly, you are able to read what has been said.
My love for you should be made manifest by my taking time to break this down for you so that you can understand it.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi BD:And so, if you have studied these scriptures for 25 to 30 years, what is your understanding of the scriptures that I have posted?
Love in Chrsit,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,10:51) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 28 2009,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,11:47) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,09:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,18:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 25 2009,07:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,18:43) But here we go again and it is a great travesty. Labeling people as unbelievers when they confess that ther are in-fact believers and then segregating them where every dialogue will be less honest for fear that to agree with the labled “Unbeliever” would create ostracism.
Devils confess and believe in God. But, they are not of the truth!Jesus said…
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: “NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME”. (and) “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO“: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6, 7
You say that you are a believer, then you would believe Jesus own words. If you know Jesus then you know the Father, for no one can come to the Father apart from him!
You have rejected his words above and his words concerning his death, and burial and his resurrection!
Paul received his words and that is what he preached to all men to be saved!
You try to mix the Islamic faith with Christianity, and that is heresy! There are believers in all kinds of things or gods. But there is One True God found only in Jesus Christ and not apart from him. Jesus said if any man try and climb up some other way than by him the same is a thief and a robber! He is the door! John 10
You also are mistaken about segregation, for like the humanistic teachings that all men are children of God you go about trying to put all men into one big melting pot, meaning there is no difference in true children of God and the devils children. Again those are Jesus own words for he called them children of the devil and said to not have any fellowship with their unfruitful ways! And no there are not many ways to God!
You would have the “Satan worshippers” worship Satan in Christian Churches.
Come out from among them the scriptures say, for we are not of this world!
The problem that you have and all secular humanist is they like to believe there is more than one way to God, and that is a lie, for the scriptures tell us there is “only one way” and if any man does not abide in that then he is not of the truth!
WJ
WJ,when Jesus says no one comes through the father except through me ask yourself what does that mean? Was he talking about Noah, Abraham, Joseph..who?
He was talking to the people he was sent to otherwise you would have to believe that before Jesus came no one loved God because they didn't love or accept Jesus.
Paul made it clear that you can go to the Father through him saying that he has even begotten through the Gospel and that those he begot should be followers of him
1 Corinthians 4:15-17 (King James Version)
15For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
The scriptures tell us no such thing, One scripture indicates that and many , many more show that God is always available to anyone who wants to find him.
I don't want to call you a liar but you are a liar to someone like Nick to whom you say believes like you.
Hi BD:He said “No man” can come to the Father but by him. Those who obeyed God in the OT were obeying God, but not without making mistakes. They all have sinned, and the wages of sin is death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus, those sins have been forgiven, and all who have obeyed God are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit of God when Jesus comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I have to ask you when Jesus said:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:5-7John 6:65 (King James Version)
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:43-45now look:
John 6:67-72 (King James Version)
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Why is it you seem to think certain sentences extend to every person reading the page in all ages? Was not Jesus talking to whom was given to him at the time?
So, “No one comes to the Father except by me” you see that as a permanent statement for all time
but “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:” You see that as not permanent, right?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:24-26
Hi BD:Maybe the following scriptures will help you to understand:
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be
the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hbr 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.Quote Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Quote Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.Love in Christ,
Marty
I would like for you to show The Holy Spirit come through you as Jesus said that when you speak you should let happen but just place scripture in a post does nothing to show your Love for God or the way you are even understanding what you are giving other to understand. When the people come to you as a Bishop and they have a problem scripture quoting by itself may not avail much.Let God speak through you so we can see God in you.
Hi BD:Do you want my opinion or do you want God's Word? Certainly, you are able to read what has been said.
My love for you should be made manifest by my taking time to break this down for you so that you can understand it.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi BD:And so, if you have studied these scriptures for 25 to 30 years, what is your understanding of the scriptures that I have posted?
Love in Chrsit,
Marty
Which ones? I have no idea of your actual positions except you do agree that Jesus is not God.However, most scriptures you waver from them being statements that are set in stone to passing statements so with those I'm not sure what you actually know or believe.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:29) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,10:51) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 28 2009,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,11:47) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,09:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,18:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 25 2009,07:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,18:43) But here we go again and it is a great travesty. Labeling people as unbelievers when they confess that ther are in-fact believers and then segregating them where every dialogue will be less honest for fear that to agree with the labled “Unbeliever” would create ostracism.
Devils confess and believe in God. But, they are not of the truth!Jesus said…
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: “NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME”. (and) “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO“: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6, 7
You say that you are a believer, then you would believe Jesus own words. If you know Jesus then you know the Father, for no one can come to the Father apart from him!
You have rejected his words above and his words concerning his death, and burial and his resurrection!
Paul received his words and that is what he preached to all men to be saved!
You try to mix the Islamic faith with Christianity, and that is heresy! There are believers in all kinds of things or gods. But there is One True God found only in Jesus Christ and not apart from him. Jesus said if any man try and climb up some other way than by him the same is a thief and a robber! He is the door! John 10
You also are mistaken about segregation, for like the humanistic teachings that all men are children of God you go about trying to put all men into one big melting pot, meaning there is no difference in true children of God and the devils children. Again those are Jesus own words for he called them children of the devil and said to not have any fellowship with their unfruitful ways! And no there are not many ways to God!
You would have the “Satan worshippers” worship Satan in Christian Churches.
Come out from among them the scriptures say, for we are not of this world!
The problem that you have and all secular humanist is they like to believe there is more than one way to God, and that is a lie, for the scriptures tell us there is “only one way” and if any man does not abide in that then he is not of the truth!
WJ
WJ,when Jesus says no one comes through the father except through me ask yourself what does that mean? Was he talking about Noah, Abraham, Joseph..who?
He was talking to the people he was sent to otherwise you would have to believe that before Jesus came no one loved God because they didn't love or accept Jesus.
Paul made it clear that you can go to the Father through him saying that he has even begotten through the Gospel and that those he begot should be followers of him
1 Corinthians 4:15-17 (King James Version)
15For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
The scriptures tell us no such thing, One scripture indicates that and many , many more show that God is always available to anyone who wants to find him.
I don't want to call you a liar but you are a liar to someone like Nick to whom you say believes like you.
Hi BD:He said “No man” can come to the Father but by him. Those who obeyed God in the OT were obeying God, but not without making mistakes. They all have sinned, and the wages of sin is death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus, those sins have been forgiven, and all who have obeyed God are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit of God when Jesus comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I have to ask you when Jesus said:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:5-7John 6:65 (King James Version)
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:43-45now look:
John 6:67-72 (King James Version)
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Why is it you seem to think certain sentences extend to every person reading the page in all ages? Was not Jesus talking to whom was given to him at the time?
So, “No one comes to the Father except by me” you see that as a permanent statement for all time
but “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:” You see that as not permanent, right?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:24-26
Hi BD:Maybe the following scriptures will help you to understand:
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hbr 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.Quote Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Quote Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.Love in Christ,
Marty
I would like for you to show The Holy Spirit come through you as Jesus said that when you speak you should let happen but just place scripture in a post does nothing to show your Love for God or the way you are even understanding what you are giving other to understand. When the people come to you as a Bishop and they have a problem scripture quoting by itself may not avail much.Let God speak through you so we can see God in you.
Hi BD:Do you want my opinion or do you want God's Word? Certainly, you are able to read what has been said.
My love for you should be made manifest by my taking time to break this down for you so that you can understand it.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi BD:And so, if you have studied these scriptures for 25 to 30 years, what is your understanding of the scriptures that I have posted?
Love in Chrsit,
Marty
Which ones? I have no idea of your actual positions except you do agree that Jesus is not God.However, most scriptures you waver from them being statements that are set in stone to passing statements so with those I'm not sure what you actually know or believe.
HI BD:What do you mean which ones? The ones which I have posted so that you can see that the blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of all who have obeyed God from the beginning of creation until his ministry and also, the sins of all who come to God through him from his ministry until he comes for the church.
Under the law in the OT the blood of animals was shed when the people of the nations of Israel sinned, and on the day of atonement the High priest entered the Holy of Holies with the blood of animals to atone for his sins and also for the people of the nation Israel.
The scriptures that I have posted show that the blood of animals could not wash away the sins of the people but was symbolic of the true sacrifice, the blood that was shed on calvary by the spotless lamb of God. He is the High priest who has entered into the Holy of Holies into the very presence of God for the whole nation of Israel, both from the literal nation of Israel and from the gentile nations, not into the holy of holies in the tabernacle on earth but into the very presence of God in heaven.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,15:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:29) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,10:51) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 28 2009,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,11:47) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,09:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,18:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 25 2009,07:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,18:43) But here we go again and it is a great travesty. Labeling people as unbelievers when they confess that ther are in-fact believers and then segregating them where every dialogue will be less honest for fear that to agree with the labled “Unbeliever” would create ostracism.
Devils confess and believe in God. But, they are not of the truth!Jesus said…
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: “NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME”. (and) “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO“: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6, 7
You say that you are a believer, then you would believe Jesus own words. If you know Jesus then you know the Father, for no one can come to the Father apart from him!
You have rejected his words above and his words concerning his death, and burial and his resurrection!
Paul received his words and that is what he preached to all men to be saved!
You try to mix the Islamic faith with Christianity, and that is heresy! There are believers in all kinds of things or gods. But there is One True God found only in Jesus Christ and not apart from him. Jesus said if any man try and climb up some other way than by him the same is a thief and a robber! He is the door! John 10
You also are mistaken about segregation, for like the humanistic teachings that all men are children of God you go about trying to put all men into one big melting pot, meaning there is no difference in true children of God and the devils children. Again those are Jesus own words for he called them children of the devil and said to not have any fellowship with their unfruitful ways! And no there are not many ways to God!
You would have the “Satan worshippers” worship Satan in Christian Churches.
Come out from among them the scriptures say, for we are not of this world!
The problem that you have and all secular humanist is they like to believe there is more than one way to God, and that is a lie, for the scriptures tell us there is “only one way” and if any man does not abide in that then he is not of the truth!
WJ
WJ,when Jesus says no one comes through the father except through me ask yourself what does that mean? Was he talking about Noah, Abraham, Joseph..who?
He was talking to the people he was sent to otherwise you would have to believe that before Jesus came no one loved God because they didn't love or accept Jesus.
Paul made it clear that you can go to the Father through him saying that he has even begotten through the Gospel and that those he begot should be followers of him
1 Corinthians 4:15-17 (King James Version)
15For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
The scriptures tell us no such thing, One scripture indicates that and many , many more show that God is always available to anyone who wants to find him.
I don't want to call you a liar but you are a liar to someone like Nick to whom you say believes like you.
Hi BD:He said “No man” can come to the Father but by him. Those who obeyed God in the OT were obeying God, but not without making mistakes. They all have sinned, and the wages of sin is death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus, those sins have been forgiven, and all who have obeyed God are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit of God when Jesus comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I have to ask you when Jesus said:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:5-7John 6:65 (King James Version)
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:43-45now look:
John 6:67-72 (King James Version)
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Why is it you seem to think certain sentences extend to every person reading the page in all ages? Was not Jesus talking to whom was given to him at the time?
So, “No one comes to the Father except by me” you see that as a permanent statement for all time
but “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:” You see that as not permanent, right?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:24-26
Hi BD:M
aybe the following scriptures will help you to understand:Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hbr 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.Quote Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Quote Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.Love in Christ,
Marty
I would like for you to show The Holy Spirit come through you as Jesus said that when you speak you should let happen but just place scripture in a post does nothing to show your Love for God or the way you are even understanding what you are giving other to understand. When the people come to you as a Bishop and they have a problem scripture quoting by itself may not avail much.Let God speak through you so we can see God in you.
Hi BD:Do you want my opinion or do you want God's Word? Certainly, you are able to read what has been said.
My love for you should be made manifest by my taking time to break this down for you so that you can understand it.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi BD:And so, if you have studied these scriptures for 25 to 30 years, what is your understanding of the scriptures that I have posted?
Love in Chrsit,
Marty
Which ones? I have no idea of your actual positions except you do agree that Jesus is not God.However, most scriptures you waver from them being statements that are set in stone to passing statements so with those I'm not sure what you actually know or believe.
HI BD:What do you mean which ones? The ones which I have posted so that you can see that the blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of all who have obeyed God from the beginning of creation until his ministry and also, the sins of all who come to God through him from his ministry until he comes for the church.
Under the law in the OT the blood of animals was shed when the people of the nations of Israel sinned, and on the day of atonement the High priest entered the Holy of Holies with the blood of animals to atone for his sins and also for the people of the nation Israel.
The scriptures that I have posted show that the blood of animals could not wash away the sins of the people but was symbolic of the true sacrifice, the blood that was shed on calvary by the spotless lamb of God. He is the High priest who has entered into the Holy of Holies into the very presence of God for the whole nation of Israel, both from the literal nation of Israel and from the gentile nations, not into the holy of holies in the tabernacle on earth but into the very presence of God in heaven.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What about the scapegoat that took away the sins of the people? Are you saying that those sins were not taken away?Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,15:22) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,15:17) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:29) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,10:51) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 28 2009,09:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,16:23) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 27 2009,11:47) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 27 2009,09:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 25 2009,18:32) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 25 2009,07:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 23 2009,18:43) But here we go again and it is a great travesty. Labeling people as unbelievers when they confess that ther are in-fact believers and then segregating them where every dialogue will be less honest for fear that to agree with the labled “Unbeliever” would create ostracism.
Devils confess and believe in God. But, they are not of the truth!Jesus said…
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: “NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME”. (and) “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO“: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. John 14:6, 7
You say that you are a believer, then you would believe Jesus own words. If you know Jesus then you know the Father, for no one can come to the Father apart from him!
You have rejected his words above and his words concerning his death, and burial and his resurrection!
Paul received his words and that is what he preached to all men to be saved!
You try to mix the Islamic faith with Christianity, and that is heresy! There are believers in all kinds of things or gods. But there is One True God found only in Jesus Christ and not apart from him. Jesus said if any man try and climb up some other way than by him the same is a thief and a robber! He is the door! John 10
You also are mistaken about segregation, for like the humanistic teachings that all men are children of God you go about trying to put all men into one big melting pot, meaning there is no difference in true children of God and the devils children. Again those are Jesus own words for he called them children of the devil and said to not have any fellowship with their unfruitful ways! And no there are not many ways to God!
You would have the “Satan worshippers” worship Satan in Christian Churches.
Come out from among them the scriptures say, for we are not of this world!
The problem that you have and all secular humanist is they like to believe there is more than one way to God, and that is a lie, for the scriptures tell us there is “only one way” and if any man does not abide in that then he is not of the truth!
WJ
WJ,when Jesus says no one comes through the father except through me ask yourself what does that mean? Was he talking about Noah, Abraham, Joseph..who?
He was talking to the people he was sent to otherwise you would have to believe that before Jesus came no one loved God because they didn't love or accept Jesus.
Paul made it clear that you can go to the Father through him saying that he has even begotten through the Gospel and that those he begot should be followers of him
1 Corinthians 4:15-17 (King James Version)
15For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
16Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.
The scriptures tell us no such thing, One scripture indicates that and many , many more show that God is always available to anyone who wants to find him.
I don't want to call you a liar but you are a liar to someone like Nick to whom you say believes like you.
Hi BD:He said “No man” can come to the Father but by him. Those who obeyed God in the OT were obeying God, but not without making mistakes. They all have sinned, and the wages of sin is death, but through the sacrifice of Jesus, those sins have been forgiven, and all who have obeyed God are part of the body of Christ, and will be raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit of God when Jesus comes for the church.
Love in Christ,
Marty
I have to ask you when Jesus said:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:5-7John 6:65 (King James Version)
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:43-45now look:
John 6:67-72 (King James Version)
67Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
70Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
Why is it you seem to think certain sentences extend to every person reading the page in all ages? Was not Jesus talking to whom was given to him at the time?
So, “No one comes to the Father except by me” you see that as a permanent statement for all time
but “Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:” You see that as not permanent, right?
Woe unto you, scribes a
nd Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:24-26
Hi BD:Maybe the following scriptures will help you to understand:
Quote Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Rom 4:16 Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hbr 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.Quote Hbr 10:1 ¶ For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 ¶ Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Quote Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.Love in Christ,
Marty
I would like for you to show The Holy Spirit come through you as Jesus said that when you speak you should let happen but just place scripture in a post does nothing to show your Love for God or the way you are even understanding what you are giving other to understand. When the people come to you as a Bishop and they have a problem scripture quoting by itself may not avail much.Let God speak through you so we can see God in you.
Hi BD:Do you want my opinion or do you want God's Word? Certainly, you are able to read what has been said.
My love for you should be made manifest by my taking time to break this down for you so that you can understand it.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi BD:And so, if you have studied these scriptures for 25 to 30 years, what is your understanding of the scriptures that I have posted?
Love in Chrsit,
Marty
Which ones? I have no idea of your actual positions except you do agree that Jesus is not God.However, most scriptures you waver from them being statements that are set in stone to passing statements so with those I'm not sure what you actually know or believe.
HI BD:What do you mean which ones? The ones which I have posted so that you can see that the blood that Jesus shed washes away the sins of all who have obeyed God from the beginning of creation until his ministry and also, the sins of all who come to God through him from his ministry until he comes for the church.
Under the law in the OT the blood of animals was shed when the people of the nations of Israel sinned, and on the day of atonement the High priest entered the Holy of Holies with the blood of animals to atone for his sins and also for the people of the nation Israel.
The scriptures that I have posted show that the blood of animals could not wash away the sins of the people but was symbolic of the true sacrifice, the blood that was shed on calvary by the spotless lamb of God. He is the High priest who has entered into the Holy of Holies into the very presence of God for the whole nation of Israel, both from the literal nation of Israel and from the gentile nations, not into the holy of holies in the tabernacle on earth but into the very presence of God in heaven.
Love in Christ,
Marty
What about the scapegoat that took away the sins of the people? Are you saying that those sins were not taken away?
Hi BD:He represents both the sacrifice and the scapegoat.
Quote Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Quote 2Cr 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Love in Christ,
Marty
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