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Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 20 2010,07:16) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 20 2010,09:07) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 19 2010,23:14) Forgive me all. I have a very simple mind. David- As far as I know, perfect means without flaw. Complete means whole. So as far as being complete I totally agree with you. To believe in Gods son makes one complete. Ed-Same thought, but also you cannot not sin. IMO the reason for scriptures like what you quoted is to make you know how dependant on God's mercy each of us are. Rokkaman- I cannot comprehend God. I feel I know him from his son's teaching and example, but I will never be sure about the questions you proposed. This fits me- A man was determined to comprehend the mysterys of God. One day he was at the beach and fell asleep. He had a vision of a boy trying to fill up a hole in the sand with water. It of course always drained out. He said to him “no matter how many bucketfulls of water you pour in there, you will never fill it”. The boy answered “no matter how many hours you spend trying to comprehend God's mysteries, you never will either”. I guess in my humble opinion, that is my answer to the title of this thread. You never will understand God, if you did you would lose your mind or die. But like you said, you can know him. Peace and love-Mark
Amen, this is the point i've been trying to make for a while.YHVH is unknowable.
The Word of God, is YHVH revealed.He is The Knowable THINGS OF YHVH.
therefore,
The Word of God is the closest human beings can perceive to be God.
Yet we are to reserve that space in our brains that The Word of God isn't God himself, but COMES FROM GOD THE FATHER THE SOURCE THE UNKNOWABLE.
——-
This is why some people dismiss Jesus Christ as being God and why others fight so much to prove he is.
because he is the only thing we can perceive to be God, but through his words and the bible… we are to reserve space and understanding that there is one that precedes him.
Think about
The Word of God… created all things by his hands, he walked with Adam and Eve in The Garden… he walked with Abraham, he spoke to moses, he spoke to elijah and enoch and the rest. He forgives, passes judgement….
The Word of God then subjegated himself, manifested in flesh, and was observed as the man we call Jesus Christ.
He was put on a cross, the flesh died, the spirit went to Abraham's Bosom and freed everyone…and was then ressurected from hades, back into The Flesh, shewn to a chosen few then ascended into heaven.
————–
The Word of God was acting on behalf of YHVH himself…
everything he does and is doing is all by the commanding of YHVH.
YHVH doesn't do anything himself…he can't (not that he can't as in capability, but he can't as in we could not perceive it…he definately can and has through The Word of God, so don't mix up what i'm trying to say)… he's to vast and too big and too infinite and to eternal to even be perceived.
So he manifested himself as The Word of God to act on his behalf within the constraints of creation.
———
This would appear as The Word of God being God himself… in which he is metaphorically… but it is to be understood that he is just a reflection or representation of The Unknowable YHVH.
Why do people not understand these things?
I cannot understand it, but all I know is=The Lord is One.The Lord is Jesus. The Lord is God the Father. The Lord is with us and speaks through God the holy sprit. 1 or 1+1+1 or 3 it's God to me.He is. I'm too busy depending on him to try to define him.Peace.
wouldnt it be 1x1x1?Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 20 2010,17:07) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 19 2010,23:14) Forgive me all. I have a very simple mind. David- As far as I know, perfect means without flaw. Complete means whole. So as far as being complete I totally agree with you. To believe in Gods son makes one complete. Ed-Same thought, but also you cannot not sin. IMO the reason for scriptures like what you quoted is to make you know how dependant on God's mercy each of us are. Rokkaman- I cannot comprehend God. I feel I know him from his son's teaching and example, but I will never be sure about the questions you proposed. This fits me- A man was determined to comprehend the mysterys of God. One day he was at the beach and fell asleep. He had a vision of a boy trying to fill up a hole in the sand with water. It of course always drained out. He said to him “no matter how many bucketfulls of water you pour in there, you will never fill it”. The boy answered “no matter how many hours you spend trying to comprehend God's mysteries, you never will either”. I guess in my humble opinion, that is my answer to the title of this thread. You never will understand God, if you did you would lose your mind or die. But like you said, you can know him. Peace and love-Mark
Amen, this is the point i've been trying to make for a while.YHVH is unknowable.
The Word of God, is YHVH revealed.He is The Knowable THINGS OF YHVH.
therefore,
The Word of God is the closest human beings can perceive to be God.
Yet we are to reserve that space in our brains that The Word of God isn't God himself, but COMES FROM GOD THE FATHER THE SOURCE THE UNKNOWABLE.
——-
This is why some people dismiss Jesus Christ as being God and why others fight so much to prove he is.
because he is the only thing we can perceive to be God, but through his words and the bible… we are to reserve space and understanding that there is one that precedes him.
Think about
The Word of God… created all things by his hands, he walked with Adam and Eve in The Garden… he walked with Abraham, he spoke to moses, he spoke to elijah and enoch and the rest. He forgives, passes judgement….
The Word of God then subjegated himself, manifested in flesh, and was observed as the man we call Jesus Christ.
He was put on a cross, the flesh died, the spirit went to Abraham's Bosom and freed everyone…and was then ressurected from hades, back into The Flesh, shewn to a chosen few then ascended into heaven.
————–
The Word of God was acting on behalf of YHVH himself…
everything he does and is doing is all by the commanding of YHVH.
YHVH doesn't do anything himself…he can't (not that he can't as in capability, but he can't as in we could not perceive it…he definately can and has through The Word of God, so don't mix up what i'm trying to say)… he's to vast and too big and too infinite and to eternal to even be perceived.
So he manifested himself as The Word of God to act on his behalf within the constraints of creation.
———
This would appear as The Word of God being God himself… in which he is metaphorically… but it is to be understood that he is just a reflection or representation of The Unknowable YHVH.
Why do people not understand these things?
Hello Rm,Hbr 3:10 “THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY DID NOT “KNOW MY WAYS'”;
Isa 58:2 “Yet they seek Me day by day and delight to know My ways, As a nation that has done righteousness And has not forsaken the ordinance of their God. They ask Me for just decisions, They delight in the nearness of God.
Psa 95:10 “For forty years I loathed that generation, And said they are a people who err in their heart, And they do not know My ways.
Apparently God gets upset when the people don't KNOW God's ways, thus He must've made His ways KNOWN??
I noticed you didn't call the Word of God the Son of God, why? This would make Jesus “literal” and not a metaphor.
You also forgot the most important essence of God…the Holy Spirit who provides: knowledge, wisdom, understanding, all of which is important in understanding God.
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 23 2010,03:05) Quote
Hello Rm,Hbr 3:10 “THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THIS GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY DID NOT “KNOW MY WAYS'”;
Isa 58:2 “Yet they seek Me day by day and delight to know My ways, As a nation that has done righteousness And has not forsaken the ordinance of their God. They ask Me for just decisions, They delight in the nearness of God.
Psa 95:10 “For forty years I loathed that generation, And said they are a people who err in their heart, And they do not know My ways.
Apparently God gets upset when the people don't KNOW God's ways, thus He must've made His ways KNOWN??
I noticed you didn't call the Word of God the Son of God, why? This would make Jesus “literal” and not a metaphor.
You also forgot the most important essence of God…the Holy Spirit who provides: knowledge, wisdom, understanding, all of which is important in understanding God.
The Professor
I've called The Word of God, The Son of God in many many posts.I share that view.
It makes Jesus The Literal Son of God.
but metaphorically God.——–
In the same way, my son isn't literally me.
but metaphorically represents me and all things of MY house.
——–
And Simply Forgiven is right… iut is not 1+1+1 because each digit adds to the other….
YHVH is already complete, he is not dependant on any other person or manifestation…the manifestion would more accurately be represented as
1x1x1 = 1
———–
It is all God or from God… as oppose to creation which was made. The Word of God and The Holy Spirit, come from himself. The are not creatures (created) they are from his loins.
The Lord is echad, which means complete, union, not the number one. Its not the numerical value, instead the unison, or the compelete perfection of God as our Lord.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 22 2010,10:15) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 20 2010,07:16) Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 20 2010,09:07) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 19 2010,23:14) Forgive me all. I have a very simple mind. David- As far as I know, perfect means without flaw. Complete means whole. So as far as being complete I totally agree with you. To believe in Gods son makes one complete. Ed-Same thought, but also you cannot not sin. IMO the reason for scriptures like what you quoted is to make you know how dependant on God's mercy each of us are. Rokkaman- I cannot comprehend God. I feel I know him from his son's teaching and example, but I will never be sure about the questions you proposed. This fits me- A man was determined to comprehend the mysterys of God. One day he was at the beach and fell asleep. He had a vision of a boy trying to fill up a hole in the sand with water. It of course always drained out. He said to him “no matter how many bucketfulls of water you pour in there, you will never fill it”. The boy answered “no matter how many hours you spend trying to comprehend God's mysteries, you never will either”. I guess in my humble opinion, that is my answer to the title of this thread. You never will understand God, if you did you would lose your mind or die. But like you said, you can know him. Peace and love-Mark
Amen, this is the point i've been trying to make for a while.YHVH is unknowable.
The Word of God, is YHVH revealed.He is The Knowable THINGS OF YHVH.
therefore,
The Word of God is the closest human beings can perceive to be God.
Yet we are to reserve that space in our brains that The Word of God isn't God himself, but COMES FROM GOD THE FATHER THE SOURCE THE UNKNOWABLE.
——-
This is why some people dismiss Jesus Christ as being God and why others fight so much to prove he is.
because he is the only thing we can perceive to be God, but through his words and the bible… we are to reserve space and understanding that there is one that precedes him.
Think about
The Word of God… created all things by his hands, he walked with Adam and Eve in The Garden… he walked with Abraham, he spoke to moses, he spoke to elijah and enoch and the rest. He forgives, passes judgement….
The Word of God then subjegated himself, manifested in flesh, and was observed as the man we call Jesus Christ.
He was put on a cross, the flesh died, the spirit went to Abraham's Bosom and freed everyone…and was then ressurected from hades, back into The Flesh, shewn to a chosen few then ascended into heaven.
————–
The Word of God was acting on behalf of YHVH himself…
everything he does and is doing is all by the commanding of YHVH.
YHVH doesn't do anything himself…he can't (not that he can't as in capability, but he can't as in we could not perceive it…he definately can and has through The Word of God, so don't mix up what i'm trying to say)… he's to vast and too big and too infinite and to eternal to even be perceived.
So he manifested himself as The Word of God to act on his behalf within the constraints of creation.
———
This would appear as The Word of God being God himself… in which he is metaphorically… but it is to be understood that he is just a reflection or representation of The Unknowable YHVH.
Why do people not understand these things?
I cannot understand it, but all I know is=The Lord is One.The Lord is Jesus. The Lord is God the Father. The Lord is with us and speaks through God the holy sprit. 1 or 1+1+1 or 3 it's God to me.He is. I'm too busy depending on him to try to define him.Peace.
wouldnt it be 1x1x1?
Maybe so, either way it's God to me. PeaceQuote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 20 2010,10:07) Amen, this is the point i've been trying to make for a while. YHVH is unknowable.
The Word of God, is YHVH revealed.He is The Knowable THINGS OF YHVH.
therefore,
The Word of God is the closest human beings can perceive to be God.
Yet we are to reserve that space in our brains that The Word of God isn't God himself, but COMES FROM GOD THE FATHER THE SOURCE THE UNKNOWABLE.
——-
This is why some people dismiss Jesus Christ as being God and why others fight so much to prove he is.
because he is the only thing we can perceive to be God, but through his words and the bible… we are to reserve space and understanding that there is one that precedes him.
Think about
The Word of God… created all things by his hands, he walked with Adam and Eve in The Garden… he walked with Abraham, he spoke to moses, he spoke to elijah and enoch and the rest. He forgives, passes judgement….
The Word of God then subjegated himself, manifested in flesh, and was observed as the man we call Jesus Christ.
He was put on a cross, the flesh died, the spirit went to Abraham's Bosom and freed everyone…and was then ressurected from hades, back into The Flesh, shewn to a chosen few then ascended into heaven.
————–
The Word of God was acting on behalf of YHVH himself…
everything he does and is doing is all by the commanding of YHVH.
YHVH doesn't do anything himself…he can't (not that he can't as in capability, but he can't as in we could not perceive it…he definately can and has through The Word of God, so don't mix up what i'm trying to say)… he's to vast and too big and too infinite and to eternal to even be perceived.
So he manifested himself as The Word of God to act on his behalf within the constraints of creation.
———
This would appear as The Word of God being God himself… in which he is metaphorically… but it is to be understood that he is just a reflection or representation of The Unknowable YHVH.
Why do people not understand these things?
I really get that, how did you figure these thing's out ? Just by thinking ?Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 21 2010,22:25) You seem to believe what you profess like it was gospel. In my view, you are in line with the pharisees, who prided themselves on justifying themselves through the law. If thats what you believe and you sleep at night, good for you. It seems to me that you are of the type of person that will take one line of scripture and make it an absolute while ignoring the context, no offense. You quoted Matt-5v48. That is part of the whole sermon he gave on the mountainside. Before he said to be perfect, he also said that not the least letter of the law was abolished. Do you celebrate all the jewish holy days? If I walked up to you and smacked you, would you get up and ask me to smack you on the other side of your face? If I carjacked you at gunpoint, would you offer your wallet as well? These things also are in Matt 5. Do you honestly love your enemys? Do you even love me? I would almost bet my life you don't do all these things. Like I said before, I think God wants us to know how dependant on his mercy we are. Later in Matthew he seems to support my position even more. Matt 19 v17 Why do you question me about what is good. There is one who is good. Then he goes into what I stated before about telling him that if he wanted perfection that he needed to sell what he had and give it to the poor and follow him. (1)Have you sold all your belongings? (2)Are you traveling the country and giving te good news to sinners of all sorts like Jesus? (3)Will you come wash my feet? On 2 Tim 3:5, I don't understand why you think this makes any point into thinking you are perfect. I went there and I feel it describes someone who thinks that they are good in therselves. 2 tim ch 3- “there will be terrible times in the last days People will be lovers of themselves……boastful,proud…….without love,unforgiving……conceited…….(4)having a form of godliness but denying its power” It seems to me thats you. You think that you are justified, perfect. I can counter the one sentance quotes you offer with context, such as James ch2v10 “whoever falls into sin on one point of the law,even though he keeps the entire remainder,has become guilty on all counts”. I love you Mr. Ed. Mark
Hi Mike,1) I did give all I had away and did start with nothing and did follow him; do you believe? (Eph.4:13-16)
2) I'm on the internet everyday spreading the good news! (Matt.24:14)
3) That's why I'm here, trying to wash your feet: for you and your journey. (Matt.24:20)
4) Are you NOT denying “the power of God” to make 'you' perfect as well? (Heb.11:40)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (davidbfun @ Aug. 22 2010,09:05) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 22 2010,16:20) Amen David. Glory to the true and perfect savior and messiah Lord Jesus. Peace to you and yours- Mark
Thanks Mark,…”In the beginning” was “Word” or “dabar” in Hebrew…
…The Professor
Hi David,“in The LORD JEHOVAH have I(Ed J) righteousness and strength“
Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, “The Word” is gone out of “my mouth”
in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow (Psalm 95:6),
every tongue shall swear. Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength:
even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. (Isaiah 60:14)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Zech.3:9 / Psalm 118:24)Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 23 2010,03:05) Hello Rm, …I noticed you didn't call the Word of God the Son of God, why? This would make Jesus “literal” and not a metaphor.
You also forgot the most important essence of God…the Holy Spirit who provides: knowledge, wisdom, understanding, all of which is important in understanding God.
The Professor
Hi DBF,You're confused between Jesus and the HolySpirit! (Click Here)
“The Word” is The “HolySpirit”! (Heb.7:28 / Luke 8:11)Babylon means: 'confusion' (Rev.18:2-4);
Zerubbabel means: “coming out of confusion”(removing).Zech.4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me,
saying, This is “The Word” of the LORD unto Zerubbabel,
saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the “LORD of Hosts”.
ONLY by the “HolySpirit”, David, will 'you' come out of confusion!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (davidbfun @ Aug. 23 2010,03:05) Hello Rm, …I noticed you didn't call the Word of God the Son of God, why? This would make Jesus “literal” and not a metaphor.
You also forgot the most important essence of God…the Holy Spirit who provides: knowledge, wisdom, understanding, all of which is important in understanding God.
The Professor
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Hi DBF,You're confused between Jesus and the HolySpirit! (Click Here)
“The Word” is The “HolySpirit”! (Heb.7:28 / Luke 8:11)Babylon means: 'confusion' (Rev.18:2-4);
Zerubbabel means: “coming out of confusion”(removing). (1Cor.3:11-15)Zech.4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me,
saying, This is “The Word” of the LORD unto Zerubbabel,
saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the “LORD of Hosts”.
ONLY by the “HolySpirit”, David, will 'you' come out of confusion!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org[/quote]Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,23:15) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 21 2010,22:25) You seem to believe what you profess like it was gospel. In my view, you are in line with the pharisees, who prided themselves on justifying themselves through the law. If thats what you believe and you sleep at night, good for you. It seems to me that you are of the type of person that will take one line of scripture and make it an absolute while ignoring the context, no offense. You quoted Matt-5v48. That is part of the whole sermon he gave on the mountainside. Before he said to be perfect, he also said that not the least letter of the law was abolished. Do you celebrate all the jewish holy days? If I walked up to you and smacked you, would you get up and ask me to smack you on the other side of your face? If I carjacked you at gunpoint, would you offer your wallet as well? These things also are in Matt 5. Do you honestly love your enemys? Do you even love me? I would almost bet my life you don't do all these things. Like I said before, I think God wants us to know how dependant on his mercy we are. Later in Matthew he seems to support my position even more. Matt 19 v17 Why do you question me about what is good. There is one who is good. Then he goes into what I stated before about telling him that if he wanted perfection that he needed to sell what he had and give it to the poor and follow him. (1)Have you sold all your belongings? (2)Are you traveling the country and giving te good news to sinners of all sorts like Jesus? (3)Will you come wash my feet? On 2 Tim 3:5, I don't understand why you think this makes any point into thinking you are perfect. I went there and I feel it describes someone who thinks that they are good in therselves. 2 tim ch 3- “there will be terrible times in the last days People will be lovers of themselves……boastful,proud…….without love,unforgiving……conceited…….(4)having a form of godliness but denying its power” It seems to me thats you. You think that you are justified, perfect. I can counter the one sentance quotes you offer with context, such as James ch2v10 “whoever falls into sin on one point of the law,even though he keeps the entire remainder,has become guilty on all counts”. I love you Mr. Ed. Mark
Hi Mike,1) I did give all I had away and did start with nothing and did follow him; do you believe? (Eph.4:13-16)
2) I'm on the internet everyday spreading the good news! (Matt.24:14)
3) That's why I'm here, trying to wash your feet: for you and your journey. (Matt.24:20)
4) Are you NOT denying “the power of God” to make 'you' perfect as well? (Heb.11:40)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
!. I have a very hard time believing that.2.IMO you would better serve God doing the things Isaiah said God wants-Sharing you beead with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless, clothing the naked……
3. IMO you seem to tear down more than you build up….
4. No, Once I die at the last Judgement God will reward me as he sees fit. He says in Rev. he will reward each man according to his conduct.
I am commanded not to judge any person, so I do not judge anyone on here, but from your attitude towards people it seems to me from all outward appearances that you “Kindle about you fiery darts; Walk by the light of your own fire, and by the flares that you have burnt” and are not meek and humble towards other members. My thickest skin is reserved for you. Peace and love Mark
Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 25 2010,22:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,23:15) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 21 2010,22:25) You seem to believe what you profess like it was gospel. In my view, you are in line with the pharisees, who prided themselves on justifying themselves through the law. If thats what you believe and you sleep at night, good for you. It seems to me that you are of the type of person that will take one line of scripture and make it an absolute while ignoring the context, no offense. You quoted Matt-5v48. That is part of the whole sermon he gave on the mountainside. Before he said to be perfect, he also said that not the least letter of the law was abolished. Do you celebrate all the jewish holy days? If I walked up to you and smacked you, would you get up and ask me to smack you on the other side of your face? If I carjacked you at gunpoint, would you offer your wallet as well? These things also are in Matt 5. Do you honestly love your enemys? Do you even love me? I would almost bet my life you don't do all these things. Like I said before, I think God wants us to know how dependant on his mercy we are. Later in Matthew he seems to support my position even more. Matt 19 v17 Why do you question me about what is good. There is one who is good. Then he goes into what I stated before about telling him that if he wanted perfection that he needed to sell what he had and give it to the poor and follow him. (1)Have you sold all your belongings? (2)Are you traveling the country and giving te good news to sinners of all sorts like Jesus? (3)Will you come wash my feet? On 2 Tim 3:5, I don't understand why you think this makes any point into thinking you are perfect. I went there and I feel it describes someone who thinks that they are good in therselves. 2 tim ch 3- “there will be terrible times in the last days People will be lovers of themselves……boastful,proud…….without love,unforgiving……conceited…….(4)having a form of godliness but denying its power” It seems to me thats you. You think that you are justified, perfect. I can counter the one sentance quotes you offer with context, such as James ch2v10 “whoever falls into sin on one point of the law,even though he keeps the entire remainder,has become guilty on all counts”. I love you Mr. Ed. Mark
Hi Mike,1) I did give all I had away and did start with nothing and did follow him; do you believe? (Eph.4:13-16)
2) I'm on the internet everyday spreading the good news! (Matt.24:14)
3) That's why I'm here, trying to wash your feet: for you and your journey. (Matt.24:20)
4) Are you NOT denying “the power of God” to make 'you' perfect as well? (Heb.11:40)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
!. I have a very hard time believing that.2.IMO you would better serve God doing the things Isaiah said God wants-Sharing you beead with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless, clothing the naked……
3. IMO you seem to tear down more than you build up….
4. No, Once I die at the last Judgement God will reward me as he sees fit. He says in Rev. he will reward each man according to his conduct.
5. I am commanded not to judge any person, so I do not judge anyone on here, but from your attitude towards people it seems to me from all outward appearances that you “Kindle about you fiery darts; Walk by the light of your own fire, and by the flares that you have burnt” and are not meek and humble towards other members. My thickest skin is reserved for you. Peace and love Mark
Hi Mark,1) 1Cor.13:7
2) Do you practice what you preach?
3) 2Cor.7:8-12
4) 2Tm.4:2
5. Click Here
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeangel @ Aug. 27 2010,07:25) I love you Mr. Ed. Hope all is well with you.Mark
Hello Mark,Every time I read the heading I don't know which phrase to address:
1-Help “ME” understand God. (wanting something for himself personally)
2-Help me “UNDERSTAND”, God. (wanting Knowledge)
3-Help me understand “GOD”. (wanting to know about God)In #1 on hn there is insufficient time to help anyone sufficiently.
In #2 understanding comes thru reading of the Bible.
In #3 we can get to know things about God in order to “understand” Him; but, only the Spirit of God knows Him…so, the knowledge and understanding comes from the Holy Spirit.For “understanding” I have tried to show Scriptures but people choose to ignore the information.
For example:
Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters…..
Spirit in Hebrew is רוח ruwach (noun, feminine). Now, you have knowledge….and accountable for that knowledge.
Understanding is applying correctly Knowledge thereby producing Wisdom which allows for you to give Counsel with the information received.
So, if a person is honestly mistaken and then asks for knowledge and receives it and applies it correctly he is no longer mistaken and a beacon to others.
However if a person applies the information incorrectly he is no longer “honest” but is deceiving on purpose.
The Professor
Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2010,23:42) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 25 2010,22:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,23:15) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 21 2010,22:25) You seem to believe what you profess like it was gospel. In my view, you are in line with the pharisees, who prided themselves on justifying themselves through the law. If thats what you believe and you sleep at night, good for you. It seems to me that you are of the type of person that will take one line of scripture and make it an absolute while ignoring the context, no offense. You quoted Matt-5v48. That is part of the whole sermon he gave on the mountainside. Before he said to be perfect, he also said that not the least letter of the law was abolished. Do you celebrate all the jewish holy days? If I walked up to you and smacked you, would you get up and ask me to smack you on the other side of your face? If I carjacked you at gunpoint, would you offer your wallet as well? These things also are in Matt 5. Do you honestly love your enemys? Do you even love me? I would almost bet my life you don't do all these things. Like I said before, I think God wants us to know how dependant on his mercy we are. Later in Matthew he seems to support my position even more. Matt 19 v17 Why do you question me about what is good. There is one who is good. Then he goes into what I stated before about telling him that if he wanted perfection that he needed to sell what he had and give it to the poor and follow him. (1)Have you sold all your belongings? (2)Are you traveling the country and giving te good news to sinners of all sorts like Jesus? (3)Will you come wash my feet? On 2 Tim 3:5, I don't understand why you think this makes any point into thinking you are perfect. I went there and I feel it describes someone who thinks that they are good in therselves. 2 tim ch 3- “there will be terrible times in the last days People will be lovers of themselves……boastful,proud…….without love,unforgiving……conceited…….(4)having a form of godliness but denying its power” It seems to me thats you. You think that you are justified, perfect. I can counter the one sentance quotes you offer with context, such as James ch2v10 “whoever falls into sin on one point of the law,even though he keeps the entire remainder,has become guilty on all counts”. I love you Mr. Ed. Mark
Hi Mike,1) I did give all I had away and did start with nothing and did follow him; do you believe? (Eph.4:13-16)
2) I'm on the internet everyday spreading the good news! (Matt.24:14)
3) That's why I'm here, trying to wash your feet: for you and your journey. (Matt.24:20)
4) Are you NOT denying “the power of God” to make 'you' perfect as well? (Heb.11:40)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
!. I have a very hard time believing that.2.IMO you would better serve God doing the things Isaiah said God wants-Sharing you beead with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless, clothing the naked……
3. IMO you seem to tear down more than you build up….
4. No, Once I die at the last Judgement God will reward me as he sees fit. He says in Rev. he will reward each man according to his conduct.
5. I am commanded not to judge any person, so I do not judge anyone on here, but from your attitude towards people it seems to me from all outward appearances that you “Kindle about you fiery darts; Walk by the light of your own fire, and by the flares that you have burnt” and are not meek and humble towards other members. My thickest skin is reserved for you. Peace and love Mark
Hi Mark,1) 1Cor.13:7
2) Do you practice what you preach?
3) 2Cor.7:8-12
4) 2Tm.4:2
5. Click Here
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
#2- I'm glad you asked. I feel I do. I don't mind saying them here because nobody “knows” you personally, and it won't be considered “performing religious acts for people to see” . I volunteer at a homeless breakfast serving about 200 people breakfast, where also there is a clothes closet they can get things at. Also I have sponsored a child in Christion Childrens Fund for the last 21 years, lately 2 kids from africa. I attend church and give there, But most importantly I try to be meek and humble to everyone I come in contact with. I love every friendly person I meet, no matter what color they are. I let people in in traffic jams. Hold doors open for anyone behind me. I cook out for a group home for retarded adults, forgive those who screw me over as much as humanly possible, and I love you. MeQuote (mikeangel @ Aug. 30 2010,20:13) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 25 2010,23:42) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 25 2010,22:56) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 23 2010,23:15) Quote (mikeangel @ Aug. 21 2010,22:25) You seem to believe what you profess like it was gospel. In my view, you are in line with the pharisees, who prided themselves on justifying themselves through the law. If thats what you believe and you sleep at night, good for you. It seems to me that you are of the type of person that will take one line of scripture and make it an absolute while ignoring the context, no offense. You quoted Matt-5v48. That is part of the whole sermon he gave on the mountainside. Before he said to be perfect, he also said that not the least letter of the law was abolished. Do you celebrate all the jewish holy days? If I walked up to you and smacked you, would you get up and ask me to smack you on the other side of your face? If I carjacked you at gunpoint, would you offer your wallet as well? These things also are in Matt 5. Do you honestly love your enemys? Do you even love me? I would almost bet my life you don't do all these things. Like I said before, I think God wants us to know how dependant on his mercy we are. Later in Matthew he seems to support my position even more. Matt 19 v17 Why do you question me about what is good. There is one who is good. Then he goes into what I stated before about telling him that if he wanted perfection that he needed to sell what he had and give it to the poor and follow him. (1)Have you sold all your belongings? (2)Are you traveling the country and giving te good news to sinners of all sorts like Jesus? (3)Will you come wash my feet? On 2 Tim 3:5, I don't understand why you think this makes any point into thinking you are perfect. I went there and I feel it describes someone who thinks that they are good in therselves. 2 tim ch 3- “there will be terrible times in the last days People will be lovers of themselves……boastful,proud…….without love,unforgiving……conceited…….(4)having a form of godliness but denying its power” It seems to me thats you. You think that you are justified, perfect. I can counter the one sentance quotes you offer with context, such as James ch2v10 “whoever falls into sin on one point of the law,even though he keeps the entire remainder,has become guilty on all counts”. I love you Mr. Ed. Mark
Hi Mike,1) I did give all I had away and did start with nothing and did follow him; do you believe? (Eph.4:13-16)
2) I'm on the internet everyday spreading the good news! (Matt.24:14)
3) That's why I'm here, trying to wash your feet: for you and your journey. (Matt.24:20)
4) Are you NOT denying “the power of God” to make 'you' perfect as well? (Heb.11:40)
Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
!. I have a very hard time believing that.2.IMO you would better serve God doing the things Isaiah said God wants-Sharing you beead with the hungry, sheltering the oppressed and the homeless, clothing the naked……
3. IMO you seem to tear down more than you build up….
4. No, Once I die at the last Judgement God will reward me as he sees fit. He says in Rev. he will reward each man according to his conduct.
5. I am commanded not to judge any person, so I do not judge anyone on here, but from your attitude towards people it seems to me from all outward appearances that you “Kindle about you fiery darts; Walk by the light of your own fire, and by the flares that you have burnt” and are not meek and humble towards other members. My thickest skin is reserved for you. Peace and love Mark
Hi Mark,1) 1Cor.13:7
2) Do you practice what you preach?
3) 2Cor.7:8-12
4) 2Tm.4:2
5. Click Here
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
#2- I'm glad you asked. I feel I do. I don't mind saying them here because nobody “knows” you personally, and it won't be considered “performing religious acts for people to see” . I volunteer at a homeless breakfast serving about 200 people breakfast, where also there is a clothes closet they can get things at. Also I have sponsored a child in Christion Childrens Fund for the last 21 years, lately 2 kids from africa. I attend church and give there, But most importantly I try to be meek and humble to everyone I come in contact with. I love every friendly person I meet, no matter what color they are. I let people in in traffic jams. Hold doors open for anyone behind me. I cook out for a group home for retarded adults, forgive those who screw me over as much as humanly possible, and I love you. Me
Hi Mark,Great!
Once you stop judging me, we should get along GREAT!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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