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Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2009,20:55) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 26 2009,07:29) Did you understand the part where I asked you if you were happy that 'seen' could mean anything detected with ANY of your senses? Stuart
Any progress Stu? Or are you still clanging the symbol?Hey I have this idea.
In the theory of evolution there was once this being who being humble, eventually rose up to the highest understanding and plane of existence and travelled to the highest dimension. Progress in evolution of understanding and nature.
His name was Jesus.
To explain this resurrected being it was proposed that he had a Father for his traits must have originated somewhere. His Father went by the title of God.
Now lets see, using the same amount of imagination, I just proved the possibility that there is a God who has offspring after his own kind.
Might want to look into it. Sounds plausible because the word evolution was mentioned and using imagination, I was able to come up with a theory that you cannot disprove.
I call it the theory of Everything coz it mentions both God and evolution.
I will let you mull over this for the next few months.
No mulling required. It is not a theory. Nothing to disprove. Next?By the way, how does anyone 'prove a possibility'?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2009,20:45) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 04 2009,00:11) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 03 2009,21:06) Quote (Stu @ July 21 2009,21:40) So says the snake oil salesman: don't worry about whether the claims are true, just blindly believe (and keep buying the snake oil). Stuart
If snake oil is left exposed, a lightning strike could electrify any containing amino acids and life could begin. Once life came to life (so to speak) then it could evolve into an organism that could turn out to have healing properties.You can't argue with this theory Stu, because I mentioned evolution and used the same amount of imagination that evolutionists use with their theory.
So case closed. Snake oil can heal.
Thanks, I hope you enjoyed the show.
You keep buying that snake oil, t8. It is magical.Stuart
Yes magical as evolution.Nothing can outdo intelligence.
Wow, magical. Who would have thought?
So you are saying you agree with evolution by natural selection now.Do you have the rights to change your own vote in the evolution poll?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 28 2009,03:51) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2009,20:56) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 27 2009,16:01) Quote (Douglas @ Sep. 27 2009,08:35) Stu,Sep. wrote:Obviously gravity still acts out on the international space station – and could you measure or see it in that circumstance? (how can you identify that the motion of the space station in orbit is due to gravity and not another force?)
You reach out into space and make a chalk mark then look out for that chalk mark the next time 'round. That will tell you that you are accelerating.Stuart
You get the same effect if the chalk mark is accelerating and you are stationary.
Then you are still accelerating relative to the chalk mark.Stuart
Conclusion, things look different when viewed from a different perspective.Yet you seem to be only able to see from your own perspective.
Never mind. The only one who is affected by that is you.
A smart person can view things in different ways and can see possibilities that blind people cannot.
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So you are saying you agree with evolution by natural selection now.Do you have the rights to change your own vote in the evolution poll?
Stuart
If intelligence can do better, then why are so-called intelligent people telling us that in deed, non-intelligence creates better stuff. Perhaps they know that they lack intelligence and are secretly teaching this to justify themselves?Also, if non-intelligence can do better than intelligence, then why do companies employ intelligent people to gain advantage over their competitors and why do they even bother with any form of intelligence, if there is a better way?
Better to embrace non-intelligence and let everything evolve into superior forms. We can then all sit in our arm chairs and watch rugby while everything just evolves to elevated superior designs.
Sorry Stu, but your idea is truly a silly one.
Intelligence is recognizable by intelligence. Perhaps this is where you falter?
If you cannot see it, then perhaps you are lacking.
Do not engineers recognise brilliant feats of engineering while many non-engineers just take it for granted. Is it not a computer programmer who recognises a brilliantly programed program while many others just use it and take it for granted.
Similarly, it takes an enlightened human to see and appreciate the works and designs of the universe. Many others just take it for granted and give no thought to the brilliant technology or mind that makes it happen. It matters not, whether it is biological or mechanical. Intelligent design is appreciated by those who are smart enough to see it.
I really do not believe in magic. Everything that works works because it is enabled by some sort of technology.
Evolution is magic in that it doesn't recognise that everything has a cause and that the cause must be great.
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 28 2009,09:53) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 28 2009,03:51) Quote (t8 @ Sep. 27 2009,20:56) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 27 2009,16:01) Quote (Douglas @ Sep. 27 2009,08:35) Stu,Sep. wrote:Obviously gravity still acts out on the international space station – and could you measure or see it in that circumstance? (how can you identify that the motion of the space station in orbit is due to gravity and not another force?)
You reach out into space and make a chalk mark then look out for that chalk mark the next time 'round. That will tell you that you are accelerating.Stuart
You get the same effect if the chalk mark is accelerating and you are stationary.
Then you are still accelerating relative to the chalk mark.Stuart
Conclusion, things look different when viewed from a different perspective.Yet you seem to be only able to see from your own perspective.
Never mind. The only one who is affected by that is you.
A smart person can view things in different ways and can see possibilities that blind people cannot.
They say people criticise that which they like least in themselves.Christianity is one meme that is very good at preventing its deludees from seeing things from others' points of view.
Perhaps now that you are realising this, a cure for your delusion might not be so far away, t8.
Stuart
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Quote If intelligence can do better, then why are so-called intelligent people telling us that in deed, non-intelligence creates better stuff. Perhaps they know that they lack intelligence and are secretly teaching this to justify themselves? Also, if non-intelligence can do better than intelligence, then why do companies employ intelligent people to gain advantage over their competitors and why do they even bother with any form of intelligence, if there is a better way?
So for which are you arguing? Intelligence beats non-intelligence or vice-versa?Quote Better to embrace non-intelligence and let everything evolve into superior forms. We can then all sit in our arm chairs and watch rugby while everything just evolves to elevated superior designs.
Well intelligence is not a predetermined outcome of natural selection, actually nothing is. But I am happy to sit and watch rugby.Quote Sorry Stu, but your idea is truly a silly one.
Which idea is that?Quote Intelligence is recognizable by intelligence. Perhaps this is where you falter?
So far the intelligent design proponents have not been able to distinguish that which they say is intelligently designed from that which they say is not. The biological world superficially gives the appearance of design, if you don’t look too hard at it.Quote If you cannot see it, then perhaps you are lacking.
You are claiming it can be seen, not me. Are we playing random role reversal now? You better be careful, the delusion may unravel for you if you think too long about not needing any gods.Quote Do not engineers recognise brilliant feats of engineering while many non-engineers just take it for granted. Is it not a computer programmer who recognises a brilliantly programed program while many others just use it and take it for granted.
Yes, and yes. Good programs and good engineering should stand out. As should bad engineering, like the human back and prostate gland.Quote Similarly, it takes an enlightened human to see and appreciate the works and designs of the universe.
A deluded mind…Quote Many others just take it for granted and give no thought to the brilliant technology or mind that makes it happen.
There is no mind to give thought to. There is certainly none evident, so giving thought to something that does not appear to be there should be considered madness.Quote It matters not, whether it is biological or mechanical. Intelligent design is appreciated by those who are smart enough to see it.
Can you justify ‘it matters not’?Quote I really do not believe in magic. Everything that works works because it is enabled by some sort of technology.
Sure. That does not mean the technology was designed.Quote Evolution is magic in that it doesn't recognise that everything has a cause and that the cause must be great.
Begging the question is one of your more frequent logical fallacies t8. I don’t think you are even trying any more. How about the appeal to authority? Or circular argument? There are many fallacies you could be choosing from.Stuart
“The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”- 1 Corinthians 2:14
Quote (t8 @ Sep. 29 2009,10:51) “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”- 1 Corinthians 2:14
You seem to have a theosophical version of Tourette's syndrome. People with that condition can avoid swearing if they try really hard, but eventually, perhaps when they get home, it all has to come out in one big offensive outburst.With you, it is that you can make pseudo-rational statements for a while, keeping the lid on, but eventually you just have to break out into a scriptural quotation.
'He cannot understand them”
…but you can!
Aren't you special.
Stuart
Jesus with a sword coming out of his mouth?
Abraham happy to kill his son?
Whoredom with the daughters of Moab?
Paul explains that “the natural use” of women is to act as sexual objects for the pleasure of men!?
Would you really put a “G” rating on THAT?
Stuart
Yes, nice man. Probably existed, although there is virtually no evidence. Jewish preacher. People made him into a man-god martyr when all that happened was that he was executed by the Romans for political reasons.
Did he really want his life beaten up into something that it wasn't?
Stuart
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