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Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 23 2009,02:02) God is omnipotent and has an all seing eye
So is your god capable of not seeing particular things? He is omnipotent, after all.Stuart
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 24 2009,09:35) If He wanted to not see somthing He could but my God is not happy with those aginst Him
So your god is happy with some and wrathful with others. If he is omnipotent, why should he not choose to be happy with everyone? What is his problem?Stuart
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 25 2009,07:34) God is God argue with this
OK. But you have listed attributes of god, so presumably you know what makes him tick.So how could one not read the OT and conclude that this god is murderous, unpredictable, unjust and petulant?
Why is the obvious overall conclusion that this god is not worthy of worship, regardless of what he may or may not have done in creation?
Stuart
Some thoughts:
I love the Almighty for creation and for giving me life, sentience and the ability to learn and hopefully grow and evolve as a spiritual being that has existence beyond a temporal form.
Yet to love an entity for creating an eternal punishing hell and offering up his own creations to be put forth therein without getting special dispensation seems nonsensical. Even believers of such say only the “select” will be saved. While I might be very relieved to think I am one of the select I would imagine the real motivation here is fear not love for whatever put me into this position in the first place. How many parents would give birth to children knowing that most are going to be disobedient and so would face eternal punishent? Even giving a few the “select” of your brood might make the cut and go live with you in paradise would you knowingly sacrifice the rest? I don't think I would have children at all, if God is truly like many here believe it would be nothing to be happy about for life would essentially be a curse for all but a very few.
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Aug. 05 2009,08:19) not all will go to heaven
Unfortunate to see that your god is a pathetic FAILURE.Don't deny the following scriptures,
1 Timothy 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Man is nothing but a Creation of YHWH, made up of elements from the periodic table. If God is not willing that any should perish, the lake of fire is then the final punishment that brings those that are least into repentance, and into God's Kingdom. Man is a highly influential being, you honestly think that man's evil ways are higher and more powerful then God's righteous influence? God is said to be a consuming fire and He will destroy sinners, not by destroying the man, but by destroying the dysfunctional ways of man, and replacing it with His functional ways.
If God says it is His desire that all inherit the Kingdom of God, then who in the world are you, Jesus name follower of Christ, to say that not all will go to heaven, and thus implying that God CANNOT accomplish His desires? Are not God's ways higher then ours, or do you see a part of man as having power above God?
You mistakenly and grossly underestimate the powers of Our Almighty Father and His ability to be able to influence man. How you belittle God by saying that man's evil ways are too strong for the influences of YHWH to break with His own influences. You misunderstand YHWH's plan and by doing so you make Him out to be an unintelligent, unmerciful pathetic being IMO.
ALL WILL most certainly inherit the Kingdom of God, for it is the will of God that they do.
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ Aug. 05 2009,01:22) I DONT HAVE TO GO TO HELL
No one does, hell is a concept for gullible people. It is a religio-political lie.Obviously.
Stuart
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 05 2009,09:04) Unfortunate to see that your god is a pathetic FAILURE.
It's pretty sad to watch people argue so bitterly over things that are entirely imaginary.And sometimes amusing too.
Stuart
Depends if you mean real in the head of the believer (no argument there!) or real as in something that should be seriously considered universally (an unjust concept because there is no independent evidence for Zeus. Did I say Zeus? I meant Baal. Hang on, no I mean to say there is no evidence for Juju. Hmmm.)
Stuart
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