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Why should an assault against a homosexual be classified as a “hate crime” and an assault against a little old lady be just an assault? Why should the crime against the homosexual carry with it the prospect of a more harsh punishment?
PC agenda that's why.
thinker
Depends. If someone assaulted an older person because it could be shown they did it due to prejudice against the elderly, it could be a “hate” crime. If it was just to get a purse, no “hate” crime. Likewise, not all crimes committed against gays will be seen as “hate” crimes, just those that are motivated by a demonstrable prejudice.
Should it be a “hate” crime if someone beats you down for being a Christian?
Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,22:58) Should it be a “hate” crime if someone beats you down for being a Christian?
Does that statement include verbally? If the answer is yes, then you are guilty.Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2009,05:59) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,22:58) Should it be a “hate” crime if someone beats you down for being a Christian?
Does that statement include verbally? If the answer is yes, then you are guilty.
I didn't know you had a right not to be offended.Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,23:11) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 20 2009,05:59) Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,22:58) Should it be a “hate” crime if someone beats you down for being a Christian?
Does that statement include verbally? If the answer is yes, then you are guilty.
I didn't know you had a right not to be offended.
Na, not offended in the slightest. Water of a duck's back.I just feel that pointing certain things out when people decide to persecute. In that spirit people sometimes become blind to the ramifications of their own words. When applied to themselves, they can then see what they are really doing.
I just like casting a bit of light on the situation that is all. After all I think it is a good thing to do.
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.t8, why did you not address the OP instead of me? Or is it OK to commit crimes against someone who is gay merely because they are gay?
Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,22:58) Depends. If someone assaulted an older person because it could be shown they did it due to prejudice against the elderly, it could be a “hate” crime. If it was just to get a purse, no “hate” crime. Likewise, not all crimes committed against gays will be seen as “hate” crimes, just those that are motivated by a demonstrable prejudice. Should it be a “hate” crime if someone beats you down for being a Christian?
Where I live an assault may be punishable by a maximum of ten years in prison. Are you saying that if an assault is motivated by demonstratable prejudice the punishment should be more than ten years?thinker
I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example. They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP. Such incitement is very similar to the statement that gays are 'worthy of death'.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,06:54) I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example. They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP. Such incitement is very similar to the statement that gays are 'worthy of death'. Stuart
You did not answer my question. If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?thinker
First of all, I'd like to know who assaults an old lady for sport? Interesting example of comparison TT.
Let's actual take a minute and differentiate between what drives a person to assault a gay person verses a person who might assault a lady for sport, even though I have a hard time with that one.
A person who assaults out of hate, is a person who is living off of ignorance and unnecessary fear, and possibly brainwashing, like skinheads are.
A person who assaults an old lady for sport, is hopped up on too much testosterone, whether it be an internal hormone problem or a steroid use problem, and as well they suffer from a serious lack of empathy, so chances are they were abused and or neglected as a child.
What can man do?
What is truly needed is the work of God's Spirit, however for now we shall put them in jail and make them serve time. Hmm, to answer the original question, “If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?”, I think I'd have to go with….no.
I think the question should be which person needs more therapy!
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,08:23) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,06:54) I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example. They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP. Such incitement is very similar to the statement that gays are 'worthy of death'. Stuart
You did not answer my question. If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?thinker
To be honest, I don't think it is interesting enough a question to really be worth the brain power thinking about it.Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 20 2009,22:58) Depends. If someone assaulted an older person because it could be shown they did it due to prejudice against the elderly, it could be a “hate” crime. If it was just to get a purse, no “hate” crime. Likewise, not all crimes committed against gays will be seen as “hate” crimes, just those that are motivated by a demonstrable prejudice. Should it be a “hate” crime if someone beats you down for being a Christian?
It should not be a hate crime if someone beats me down for being a Christian.thinker
No one wants to beat you down. Perhaps some of your ideas, but not you physically. I do not consider you worthy of death if you are a homophobe.
Stuart
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Aug. 21 2009,15:20) First of all, I'd like to know who assaults an old lady for sport? Interesting example of comparison TT. Let's actual take a minute and differentiate between what drives a person to assault a gay person verses a person who might assault a lady for sport, even though I have a hard time with that one.
A person who assaults out of hate, is a person who is living off of ignorance and unnecessary fear, and possibly brainwashing, like skinheads are.
A person who assaults an old lady for sport, is hopped up on too much testosterone, whether it be an internal hormone problem or a steroid use problem, and as well they suffer from a serious lack of empathy, so chances are they were abused and or neglected as a child.
What can man do?
What is truly needed is the work of God's Spirit, however for now we shall put them in jail and make them serve time. Hmm, to answer the original question, “If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?”, I think I'd have to go with….no.
I think the question should be which person needs more therapy!
I didn't say that people assault old ladies for sport. I was speaking hypothetically. Should the crime against the gay person be more punishable? I am trying to get the pro gays here to indicate clearly where they stand on so called “hate” crimes.thinker
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,16:15) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,08:23) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,06:54) I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example. They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP. Such incitement is very similar to the statement that gays are 'worthy of death'. Stuart
You did not answer my question. If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?thinker
To be honest, I don't think it is interesting enough a question to really be worth the brain power thinking about it.Stuart
It is important because all mankind was created in the image of God and because of this no person's life is worth more to God than another's.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 22 2009,02:07) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,16:15) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,08:23) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,06:54) I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example. They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP. Such incitement is very similar to the statement that gays are 'worthy of death'. Stuart
You did not answer my question. If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?thinker
To be honest, I don't think it is interesting enough a question to really be worth the brain power thinking about it.Stuart
It is important because all mankind was created in the image of God and because of this no person's life is worth more to God than another's.thinker
You are wrong, there is no such thing as a god to be a creator, but anyway, what does it have to do with punishment for crime?Stuart
The idea of hate crime laws are to enforce greater punishment (and hopefully, but doubtedly deter) those crimes that tend to cause social disruption out of proportion to the actual incident. In a practical sense it is to promote social cohesion, in a political sense it is often used to curry favor with a particular group. As a matter of justice it is difficult to pinpoint motivations and say that a crime motivated by hate is more heinous then that motivated by averice, jealousy or a sundry of other sins. Personally I dislike the various hate crime legislations for I think they are disingenuous.
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,16:15) Quote (thethinker @ Aug. 21 2009,08:23) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 21 2009,06:54) I believe that is how the law is applied in some countries, the UK for example. They have many instances of racial and homophobic attack which is definitely motivated by prejudice, often incited by the political actions of parties like the BNP. Such incitement is very similar to the statement that gays are 'worthy of death'. Stuart
You did not answer my question. If a man assaults a gay man because he is gay should he be punished more severely than a man who assaults an old lady for sport?thinker
To be honest, I don't think it is interesting enough a question to really be worth the brain power thinking about it.Stuart
Now ! Now ! Stu…. That is a very evasive disingenuous answer…It is the gay community that wants to lash out at society for rejecting their lifestyle and hate crimes afford them that opportunity….All crime is hatefull….and nothing more than a statement by the criminal that he is not willing to conform to the statutes of a civilized society….Assault is assault whether it is on a gay person or a straight person…in order to qualify as a hate crime the criminal would have to ask the victim…are you gay…and if the victim says yes..the criminal stabes him one extra time….seems rediculous dosn't it….Why should a group of people demand additional protection under the law because of their proclivities…Quote (Cato @ Aug. 22 2009,05:59) The idea of hate crime laws are to enforce greater punishment (and hopefully, but doubtedly deter) those crimes that tend to cause social disruption out of proportion to the actual incident. In a practical sense it is to promote social cohesion, in a political sense it is often used to curry favor with a particular group. As a matter of justice it is difficult to pinpoint motivations and say that a crime motivated by hate is more heinous then that motivated by averice, jealousy or a sundry of other sins. Personally I dislike the various hate crime legislations for I think they are disingenuous.
Greetings Cato…. I think the hate crime phenomonon is directed at individuals to serve a political purpose….All crime is hatefull in nature….violence needs no elevation….in itself the violent act is a statement to society that an individual is rejecting the statutes that constitute a civilized society..
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