Has this site ever changed a mind?

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Hi,
I learn every day here from what everyone shares and the interactions are beneficial to my growth. Thanks.

January 17, 2007 at 9:04 pm#37451

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Hi w,
If logic was the equal of revelation perhaps so.
But greek logic is foolish human wisdom and we who are in Jesus should listen to him and follow him rather than the vain philosophers of Athens.

Why not listen to this and join in!

Rev 5:
9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
[11] And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
[12] Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
[13] And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
[14] And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

January 17, 2007 at 9:16 pm#37452

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I am sorry you feel it necessary to remove God of the throne and sit Christ in his place WorshippingJesus
For now in your eyes God dose not have a Son?
Even Christ is subject to God, and now you have no one to present you the one true God

Jdg 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.
Jdg 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.

God bless david
Rom 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Charity

You have never heard me say God is not on the throne.

Why do you misinterpret my point?

My point to David is that the Father is not called Jehovah by Jesus. And then he responds about the message of the Kingdom.

And my response was that Jehovah or Father is not even mentioned in the scriptures he presents.

My message here has always been Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all is in the Son now, and many dont give honor to the Son the Father commands.

So why would you make such an accusation that I have taken the Father off the throne?

January 17, 2007 at 9:24 pm#37453

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Hi w,
If logic was the equal of revelation perhaps so.
But greek logic is foolish human wisdom and we who are in Jesus should listen to him and follow him rather than the vain philosophers of Athens.

Why not listen to this and join in!

Hi W,
Will you not be reigning with him?

January 17, 2007 at 9:33 pm#37454

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Charity

You have never heard me say God is not on the throne.

Why do you misinterpret my point?

My point to David is that the Father is not called Jehovah by Jesus. And then he responds about the message of the Kingdom.

And my response was that Jehovah or Father is not even mentioned in the scriptures he presents.

My message here has always been Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all is in the Son now, and many dont give honor to the Son the Father commands.

So why would you make such an accusation that I have taken the Father off the throne?

Because all is in God the head of all things without the order changed

Of coarse you shall not be found with such bluntness removing God of his throne, principalities are far more deceptive
But the double mindedness reveals such a matter
And maybe this is what david and others hear

God has given authority to Christ to judge the living and the dead

January 17, 2007 at 9:37 pm#37455

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Hi W,
Christ is also in the Father.
The Holy Spirit of God is also in the sons of God.
All made One in God through the obedience of the Son
But we do not worship the Son instead of the Father because true worshippers worship the Father.
Jesus told us so, and you should listen to him ahead of human mentors.
We obey him as he is our Master.
Listen to him and let him
Change your mind.

January 17, 2007 at 9:52 pm#37459

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Job 6:24 Teach me, and I will hold my tongue: and cause me to understand wherein I have erred.

Job 6:30 Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?

Job 13:19 Who [is] he [that] will plead with me? for now, if I hold my tongue, I shall give up the ghost.

Choosing here to separate the iniquity from the person
That sackcloth may be put on; and the heart offered to the
ONE AND MIGHTY LORDGOD WHO DOSE NOT SHARE THE NAME GOD WITH ANY FLESH, BUT HAS GIVEN THE LORD AS A Name that constitutes his seed family and creation after him and The Son

January 17, 2007 at 9:52 pm#37460

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Let men seek the One true God.

The Lord our God is “One Lord”.

One Lord.

And yet men call Jesus Lord and master. Thinking that some how God is not ONE with his Son and his Holy Spirit.

Jesus said No man can serve two masters for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Everything was made by the Son and for the son. And yet men seems to think this some how has nothing to do with the Deity of Christ.

God cammands Angels to worship his son calling him God himself.

Yet men turn their backs to the Son the creater of all things, somehow thinking they can bypass Jesus and go to the Father.

He who has the Son and honours the Son has and honours the Father.

Jesus said “Philip, how long have I been with you and you still dont know me?”.

But ah the eyes of Philip and the rest was to be opened and Philip cried out “My Lord and My God”.

Where is the Love and honour toward the Son?

Why do men give more honour to the Father than to the Son when the Spirit of God has said to give the same honour to the Son.

The heart cry of every child of God should be for their Bride Groom.

Song of Solomon 1:
2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.
4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.
9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewing himself through the lattice.
10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone;

Ps 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

Lk 22:48
But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

Men search the Book and yet the heart is far from him.

Jesus said the scriptures are about him!

Jn 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Heb 10:7
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

For sure God is One, shown in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I Jn 5:20
[20] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Selah

January 17, 2007 at 9:55 pm#37461

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They be as one in MIND WITH ALL THE SAME UNITY AND DESIRE

January 17, 2007 at 9:58 pm#37462

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Because all is in God the head of all things without the order changed

God has given authority to Christ to judge the living and the dead

Charity

You say…

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Because all is in God the head of all things without the order changed

What does this mean to you?

Matt 28:18
18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Col 1:
16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
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19] **For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;**

January 17, 2007 at 10:04 pm#37463

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So why would you make such an accusation that I have taken the Father off the throne?

Charity

Please show me the quote where I said this. You have not answered my question.

Now I see the fruit of the Arian coming out, the accusation syndrome.

Time to judge and attack the man and his relsationship with God.

Well Blessings to you my sister that said “I Luv you WJ”.

Judge not that you be not judged my sister.

January 17, 2007 at 10:13 pm#37464

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Matt 28:18
18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Power was given him from the almighty God who is and was and still is
Without God Christ has no power, but power received he may recreate and subdue the nations on earth for this is Gods plain, and promise to the father David who he found faithful and delivered a covenant that Christ should fufull came to men that the regenerations shall be declared washed clean and born again to follow the lamb as anew creation in Christ, the old things past away

Head towards the prophets past they shall declear the power in his Name

January 17, 2007 at 10:14 pm#37465

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Hi W,
Do not get distracted from the reason the servant Son came, to restore our relationship with His Lord God.

January 17, 2007 at 10:17 pm#37466

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Hi W,
Though Christ was given all authority by God that has never made him equal to God even now.
It is the kingdom of God and His Christ.
Christ is our head.
God is his head.
Christ is God's

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Revelation 12:10
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night.

You didnt answer the question. Let me try again and see if you can give me a simple answer.

By the way! Do you think that the Father is gonna take back that which he has given to Jesus who is the heir of ALL Things?

Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were **created by him, and for him:**

Would the Father take back that which was created for Jesus, ALL THINGS?

God will be all in all!

January 17, 2007 at 10:28 pm#37467

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WorshippingJesus
sorry that you feel your queations are not answered
maybe due to not receiving the answer you desired

And yes I still hold all desire for you to Love the lord God almighty with all your Heart and mind

January 17, 2007 at 10:33 pm#37468

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Hi W,
Has God ever stopped being God
or the God of Jesus?

January 17, 2007 at 10:46 pm#37469

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Hi,
I do not believe that anyone who is obstinate and fossilised in their beliefs can receive anything here or anywhere from God.

January 17, 2007 at 10:58 pm#37471

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Hi W,
Has God ever stopped being God
or the God of Jesus?

You must not believe John 1:1 or you miss interpret it! :blues:

January 17, 2007 at 11:00 pm#37472

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Hi,
I do not believe that anyone who is obstinate and fossilised in their beliefs can receive anything here or anywhere from God.

If you mean that I will not let go of belief to accept yours. You are right!

January 17, 2007 at 11:41 pm#37477