Has this site ever changed a mind?

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Hi WJ
Thank you for the welcome.
I do remember who shares my love of Jesus with me.
I stay at the church because I enjoy their fellowship.
I have been studying scriptures dillegently for the last year.
I probably study four to six hours each day.
During this time I have become less tolerent of some of the things that I hear them say. Things like God wants to save us but he can't because our will is too strong for him.
I do not believe that the two words, God and can't, should be used together when speaking of His ability to accomplish something.

Tim

Hey my friend, if what you say is true and there is no fruit in your Church then by all means leave.

All I am trying to say is nothing should take the place of personal one on one fellowship with believers in Jesus.

Many begin to isolate themselves from the body and become easy pray for the enemy.

We should not depend on any “forum” or substitute for the gathering of ourselves together with the body of Christ.

The enemy of our souls would find occasion here.

That was the only reason I shared theat scripture.

I will pray for you that God will continue to teach you by the Holy Spirit his word.

As the Apostle Paul says….

Eph 1:
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Blessings

January 16, 2007 at 11:54 pm#37402

TimothyVI

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David, Nick, Thank you.

Tim

January 17, 2007 at 12:00 am#37403

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Hi WJ, or is it JW?

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Hi JW,
I will answer your questions.

1. I have attended this church for about 16 months now.
2. No, I was saved 26 years ago in a Southern Babtist church.
3. Yes, they preach that repenting of your sins and accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour is the only way to salvation.
4. Our church has just recently had some political problems resulting in a number of the congregation leaving.
So for now I wouldn't say that it is growing, but they are reaching out to the community.

Thank you for your interest and your blessings.

January 17, 2007 at 12:02 am#37404

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The central theme of their preaching is God’s Kingdom (that is, God's rule over the Earth) with Jesus Christ as its king.

WJ, just out of curiosity, shouldn't this be the central theme of our teaching? God's kingdom?

Jesus spoke of it A LOT.

And look what he fortold:
MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

It should be the central theme of everyone's preaching, or at least, those who do preach.

Do you find contention with this?

January 17, 2007 at 12:05 am#37405

TimothyVI

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That was a typo. My fingers always get ahead of my brain.

January 17, 2007 at 12:17 am#37406

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WJ, just out of curiosity, shouldn't this be the central theme of our teaching? God's kingdom?

Jesus spoke of it A LOT.

And look what he fortold:
MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

It should be the central theme of everyone's preaching, or at least, those who do preach.

David

Yes and no.

Yes in that we are to preach the Kingdom of God is at hand.

But is that the whole message?

No. The primary message of the Kingdom is…

Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Paul the Apostle says…

I Cor. 2:
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

Why do you think I talk about Jesus so much and not the title Father?

January 17, 2007 at 1:16 am#37407

chicano4571

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WJ….TELL ME HAVE YOU SEEN ANGELS OR DEMONS ?

January 17, 2007 at 1:23 am#37408

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WJ….TELL ME HAVE YOU SEEN ANGELS OR DEMONS ?

chicano4571

Physically, Literrally, No.

But have felt there presence very strong at times.

I have seen physical manifestations of demons in humans, and have cast them out in Jesus name!

God is Good!

January 17, 2007 at 3:14 am#37409

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WJ, just out of curiosity, shouldn't this be the central theme of our teaching? God's kingdom?

Jesus spoke of it A LOT.

And look what he fortold:
MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

It should be the central theme of everyone's preaching, or at least, those who do preach.

David

Yes and no.

Yes in that we are to preach the Kingdom of God is at hand.

But is that the whole message?

No. The primary message of the Kingdom is…

Acts 5:42
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

Paul the Apostle says…

Hi W,
Why?
Because you do not know the difference.
You need to preach Jesus as the Son of God and not an expression of God.
But back to the subject at hand…

January 17, 2007 at 6:30 am#37410

Morning Star

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I never thought of the impact these discussions might have on guests. Indeed, it could be informing many people and both sides get their say.

Welcome Timothy.

January 17, 2007 at 6:35 am#37411

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I never thought of the impact these discussions might have on guests. Indeed, it could be informing many people and both sides get their say.

I know. For a long time after coming to this forum, I never even considered that. But A LOT of people visit this site and never post a comment

January 17, 2007 at 6:47 am#37412

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Why do you think I talk about Jesus so much and not the title Father?

Perhaps because you don't really understand what the “kingdom of GOD” is. The Father is referred to as God and the kingdom that was fortold of being preached in our time is his. He has places his son as a king-designate.

ACTS 8:12
“But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, they proceeded to be baptized, both men and women.”
ACTS 28:31
“preaching the kingdom of God to them and teaching the things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ with the greatest freeness of speech, without hindrance.”

As we can see in the above scriptures, both were preached.
Of course, the good news of the kingdom, includes the good news of Christ, as he is been given the role of head of this kingdom.

You point to Acts and say they preached Jesus. Of course they did. And they also preached about his kingdom:
ACTS 19:8
“Entering into the synagogue, he spoke with boldness for three months, giving talks and using persuasion concerning the kingdom of God.”
ACTS 20:25
““And now, look! I know that all of YOU among whom I went preaching the kingdom will see my face no more.”
ACTS 28:23
“They now arranged for a day with him, and they came in greater numbers to him in his lodging place. And he explained the matter to them by bearing thorough witness concerning the kingdom of God and by using persuasion with them concerning Jesus from both the law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening.”

Maybe they got this idea from Jesus:
ACTS 1:3
“To these also by many positive proofs he [Jesus] showed himself alive after he had suffered, being seen by them throughout forty days and telling the things about the kingdom of God.”

LUKE 4:43
“But he said to them: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, BECAUSE FOR THIS I WAS SENT FORTH.””

Jesus preached it. His disciples preached it, of which he was king.
And Jesus fortold that in the last days, his followers would be preaching: “this good news of the kingdom.” (Mat 24:14)

January 17, 2007 at 7:56 am#37413

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As we can see in the above scriptures, both were preached.
Of course, the good news of the kingdom, includes the good news of Christ, as he is been given the role of head of this kingdom.

LUKE 4:43
“But he said to them: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, BECAUSE FOR THIS I WAS SENT FORTH.””

Jesus preached it. His disciples preached it, of which he was king.
And Jesus fortold that in the last days, his followers would be preaching: “this good news of the kingdom.” (Mat 24:14)

David

Where is the Father or Jehovah mentioned in those scriptures you quote?

The only name I see is Jesus!

Kingdom of God! UMMM.

Who is the king of that kingdom David?

How about King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

Now if that Kingdom belongs to Jesus, since all things were made by him and for him.

And the Kingdom is called the Kingdom of God. Then by this Jesus is the God of that Kingdom!

January 17, 2007 at 7:58 am#37414

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Hi w,
1Cor 15
” 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

The King of Kings submits to a greater King of the Kingdom.

January 17, 2007 at 8:08 am#37415

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Hi w,
1Cor 15
” 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

The King of Kings submits to a greater King of the Kingdom.

Exactly! But in the mean time…

Heb 2:8,9
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

While he is the Lord and God of the Kingdom, we should worship him!

January 17, 2007 at 8:14 am#37416

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Hi w,
1Cor 15
” 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

The King of Kings submits to a greater King of the Kingdom.

By the way! Do you think that the Father is gonna take back that which he has given to Jesus who is the heir of ALL Things?

Col 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were **created by him, and for him:**

Would the Father take back that which was created for Jesus, ALL THINGS?

NOT.

January 17, 2007 at 8:44 am#37417

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Yes this site has helped or even been the preliminary way for changing some people's belief about the so-called foundational doctrine of Christianity which we know is really a Babylonian doctrine.

I personally had quite a number of emails when I advertised my email address and since then have had PMs thanking me, and the other contributors for bringing to light the truth of this doctrine and for reinforcing that there truly is one God, the Father, not a triune God.

The other thing to consider is that the Trinity Writing which sparked off the discussions on the Trinity in the forums still gets a lot of views and the PDF document for printing is viewed less but gets downloaded hundreds of times each month.

The best month saw over 1 million page views from the Heaven Net website including the forums.

Judging from the weblogs and the stats on the forums, there appear to be a lot more readers than contributors.

So it is anyone's guess what the true impact is.

But the most important thing is that this doctrine is being scrutinized from a biblical and historical point of view and it has been found wanting. This has led many to seek with even more zeal to find out what true faith really entails and what it was that Christ and the Apostles really taught and handed down to their disciples.

For those who have a pure heart, only good can come from it.
But it is understandable that you will have those who try and block the way and try to keep people in bondage. This website has seen it's fair share of these kinds of people.

January 17, 2007 at 8:50 am#37418

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Hi w,
1Cor 15
” 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.”

The King of Kings submits to a greater King of the Kingdom.

Exactly! But in the mean time…

Hi w,
If logic was the equal of revelation perhaps so.
But greek logic is foolish human wisdom and we who are in Jesus should listen to him and follow him rather than the vain philosophers of Athens.

January 17, 2007 at 10:04 am#37420

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As we can see in the above scriptures, both were preached.
Of course, the good news of the kingdom, includes the good news of Christ, as he is been given the role of head of this kingdom.

LUKE 4:43
“But he said to them: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, BECAUSE FOR THIS I WAS SENT FORTH.””

Jesus preached it. His disciples preached it, of which he was king.
And Jesus fortold that in the last days, his followers would be preaching: “this good news of the kingdom.” (Mat 24:14)

David

Where is the Father or Jehovah mentioned in those scriptures you quote?

The only name I see is Jesus!

Kingdom of God! UMMM.

Who is the king of that kingdom David?

How about King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

Now if that Kingdom belongs to Jesus, since all things were made by him and for him.

And the Kingdom is called the Kingdom of God. Then by this Jesus is the God of that Kingdom!

I am sorry you feel it necessary to remove God of the throne and sit Christ in his place WorshippingJesus
For now in your eyes God dose not have a Son?
Even Christ is subject to God, and now you have no one to present you the one true God

Jdg 10:13 Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.
Jdg 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.

God bless david
Rom 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

January 17, 2007 at 5:39 pm#37429