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Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2009,16:09) So, I went to a Bible study tonight and feel like the Lord showed me something that might be of interest here. This is an excerpt from the story about Gideon:
Judg 6:25-28
25 Now on the same night the Lord said to him, “Take your father's bull and a second bull seven years old, and pull down the altar of Baal which belongs to your father, and cut down the Asherah that is beside it;
26 and build an altar to the Lord your God on the top of this stronghold in an orderly manner, and take a second bull and offer a burnt offering with the wood of the Asherah which you shall cut down.”
27 Then Gideon took ten men of his servants and did as the Lord had spoken to him; and because he was too afraid of his father's household and the men of the city to do it by day, he did it by night.
The Altar of Baal Destroyed 28 When the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was torn down, and the Asherah which was beside it was cut down, and the second bull was offered on the altar which had been built.
NASUGod gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Thanks for reading,
Kathi
Hmmm. Interesting perspective as it leads to justification…. Hey, I like it!! That's the great thing about the bible, in my opinion – you can find tons of little things like this to help us either disagree or agree with any given doctrine/belief.Perhaps it is true insight though – I will not judge what the LORD is saying to his child. We are all given different gifts. Even our faith is a gift from God. I've enjoyed your ideas, Kathi. And I will be celebrating Christmas and Easter with my family as well.
Love,
MandyHi LU,
So how is the pulling down of the pagan altar and the burning of the idol happening?
Will King Jesus join in these celebrations of man's making?Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,06:16) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2009,16:09) So, I went to a Bible study tonight and feel like the Lord showed me something that might be of interest here. This is an excerpt from the story about Gideon:
Judg 6:25-28
25 Now on the same night the Lord said to him, “Take your father's bull and a second bull seven years old, and pull down the altar of Baal which belongs to your father, and cut down the Asherah that is beside it;
26 and build an altar to the Lord your God on the top of this stronghold in an orderly manner, and take a second bull and offer a burnt offering with the wood of the Asherah which you shall cut down.”
27 Then Gideon took ten men of his servants and did as the Lord had spoken to him; and because he was too afraid of his father's household and the men of the city to do it by day, he did it by night.
The Altar of Baal Destroyed 28 When the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was torn down, and the Asherah which was beside it was cut down, and the second bull was offered on the altar which had been built.
NASUGod gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Thanks for reading,
Kathi
Hmmm. Interesting perspective as it leads to justification…. Hey, I like it!! That's the great thing about the bible, in my opinion – you can find tons of little things like this to help us either disagree or agree with any given doctrine/belief.Perhaps it is true insight though – I will not judge what the LORD is saying to his child. We are all given different gifts. Even our faith is a gift from God. I've enjoyed your ideas, Kathi. And I will be celebrating Christmas and Easter with my family as well.
Love,
Mandy
Mandy! Do you know that Christ was not born on Dec. 25. It was Nimrods Birthday, I think I said this before. To think that God would approve of celebrating His Son's Birthday on that day, I wonder very much.
Millions died in the first three centuries because they did not go along with the Pagans Emperors. And today we do what the Pagans do? To me it is sad. How ironic that God tore down the Altar of Baal. If God did not care, He would just use that Altar to use it for His purpose, but He made Gideon tear it down first. So my question to you is. How can you compare that with what is being done today? IMO just a cop-out.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (georg @ Oct. 22 2009,07:31) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 22 2009,06:16) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2009,16:09) So, I went to a Bible study tonight and feel like the Lord showed me something that might be of interest here. This is an excerpt from the story about Gideon:
Judg 6:25-28
25 Now on the same night the Lord said to him, “Take your father's bull and a second bull seven years old, and pull down the altar of Baal which belongs to your father, and cut down the Asherah that is beside it;
26 and build an altar to the Lord your God on the top of this stronghold in an orderly manner, and take a second bull and offer a burnt offering with the wood of the Asherah which you shall cut down.”
27 Then Gideon took ten men of his servants and did as the Lord had spoken to him; and because he was too afraid of his father's household and the men of the city to do it by day, he did it by night.
The Altar of Baal Destroyed 28 When the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was torn down, and the Asherah which was beside it was cut down, and the second bull was offered on the altar which had been built.
NASUGod gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Thanks for reading,
Kathi
Hmmm. Interesting perspective as it leads to justification…. Hey, I like it!! That's the great thing about the bible, in my opinion – you can find tons of little things like this to help us either disagree or agree with any given doctrine/belief.Perhaps it is true insight though – I will not judge what the LORD is saying to his child. We are all given different gifts. Even our faith is a gift from God. I've enjoyed your ideas, Kathi. And I will be celebrating Christmas and Easter with my family as well.
Love,
Mandy
Mandy! Do you know that Christ was not born on Dec. 25. It was Nimrods Birthday, I think I said this before. To think that God would approve of celebrating His Son's Birthday on that day, I wonder very much.
Millions died in the first three centuries because they did not go along with the Pagans Emperors. And today we do what the Pagans do? To me it is sad. How ironic that God tore down the Altar of Baal. If God did not care, He would just use that Altar to use it for His purpose, but He made Gideon tear it down first. So my question to you is. How can you compare that with what is being done today? IMO just a cop-out.
Peace and Love Irene
You're right…it is a cop-out.
You've heard of the “opt-out”, well I'm taking the “cop-out”!
No, I know it's not funny. But it's real-life, sis. These things are not easily comprehended and some of us are slow (and blonde). I need some time to figure out what God requires from me. I haven't heard anything yet……I'm listening.
Love,
MandyHi not3,
So if you were forced to participate in halloween you are right that God would use his people to do useful things as well.But in the land of freedom folks choose actually to do these silly things and feel compelled to go with their worldly peers.
No noble dressing up of the occasion as a gift from God to be used for evangelisation carries a lot of useful weight.
TRADITION RULES
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 21 2009,14:08) My mom used to tell me a story about a frog and a pot of water. She said that if you put a frog into a boiling pot of water (Halloween), it will jump out. But if you put a frog in to a cool pot of water (Christmas and Easter), you can gradually heat it up and cook the frog alive!! 
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 22 2009,07:40) No noble dressing up of the occasion as a gift from God to be used for evangelisation carries a lot of useful weight.
Hi Nick,Do you know the plans of the LORD? Can you see his ultimate plan? I think your remark here is somewhat smug in light of this fact.
Love,
MandyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2009,15:40) Hi not3,
So if you were forced to participate in halloween you are right that God would use his people to do useful things as well.But in the land of freedom folks choose actually to do these silly things and feel compelled to go with their worldly peers.
No noble dressing up of the occasion as a gift from God to be used for evangelisation carries a lot of useful weight.
TRADITION RULES
NHTell that to the many that have been saved by the use of those things!
WJ
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2009,14:26) Hi LU,
So how is the pulling down of the pagan altar and the burning of the idol happening?
Will King Jesus join in these celebrations of man's making?
Hi Nick,
We “pull down the altars and burn down the idol” by taking up our cross and following Jesus and trusting in His promises.You ask if Jesus is there joining with us in these celebrations…
What does the Bible say about where He is when two or three are gathered in His name? He says “There I am in the midst of them.”LU
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2009,15:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2009,14:26) Hi LU,
So how is the pulling down of the pagan altar and the burning of the idol happening?
Will King Jesus join in these celebrations of man's making?
Hi Nick,
We “pull down the altars and burn down the idol” by taking up our cross and following Jesus and trusting in His promises.You ask if Jesus is there joining with us in these celebrations…
What does the Bible say about where He is when two or three are gathered in His name? He says “There I am in the midst of them.”LU
Hi KathiAMEN! Good point. Jesus is always with us and if our hearts and motives are pure before him what demon of hell can condemn us?
WJ
Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 21 2009,14:16) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2009,16:09) So, I went to a Bible study tonight and feel like the Lord showed me something that might be of interest here. This is an excerpt from the story about Gideon:
Judg 6:25-28
25 Now on the same night the Lord said to him, “Take your father's bull and a second bull seven years old, and pull down the altar of Baal which belongs to your father, and cut down the Asherah that is beside it;
26 and build an altar to the Lord your God on the top of this stronghold in an orderly manner, and take a second bull and offer a burnt offering with the wood of the Asherah which you shall cut down.”
27 Then Gideon took ten men of his servants and did as the Lord had spoken to him; and because he was too afraid of his father's household and the men of the city to do it by day, he did it by night.
The Altar of Baal Destroyed 28 When the men of the city arose early in the morning, behold, the altar of Baal was torn down, and the Asherah which was beside it was cut down, and the second bull was offered on the altar which had been built.
NASUGod gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Thanks for reading,
Kathi
Hmmm. Interesting perspective as it leads to justification…. Hey, I like it!! That's the great thing about the bible, in my opinion – you can find tons of little things like this to help us either disagree or agree with any given doctrine/belief.Perhaps it is true insight though – I will not judge what the LORD is saying to his child. We are all given different gifts. Even our faith is a gift from God. I've enjoyed your ideas, Kathi. And I will be celebrating Christmas and Easter with my family as well.
Love,
Mandy
I'm glad you like my ideas. Enjoy each day and remember when we gather together in His name, He is there with us. He will guide us away from evil. He loves to have an intimate relationship with us.Love,
KathiQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,15:53) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 21 2009,15:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2009,14:26) Hi LU,
So how is the pulling down of the pagan altar and the burning of the idol happening?
Will King Jesus join in these celebrations of man's making?
Hi Nick,
We “pull down the altars and burn down the idol” by taking up our cross and following Jesus and trusting in His promises.You ask if Jesus is there joining with us in these celebrations…
What does the Bible say about where He is when two or three are gathered in His name? He says “There I am in the midst of them.”LU
Hi KathiAMEN! Good point. Jesus is always with us and if our hearts and motives are pure before him what demon of hell can condemn us?
WJ
Hi Keith,
Thanks! The demons will continually try to condemn us but there is therefore now NO condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. see Romans 8:1Enjoy each new day,
KathiQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 22 2009,06:00) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 21 2009,13:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,12:20) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,20:17) Mandy, Quote I confess that I love to throw parties, okay? I love to make people happy. I love to be the hostess with the mostess. Mandy,
If I showed up at your house wearing my avatar ape face would you let me join the party?
thinker
Yea MandyHow about my “Mug” shot on facebook?
WJ
Keith, you would be a VIP!!
Cool!
Keith,
You must feel honored that you would be Mandy's ghost of honor.I hope my humor here goes off better than the “s” word remark.
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 21 2009,16:25) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 22 2009,06:00) Quote (Not3in1 @ Oct. 21 2009,13:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,12:20) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,20:17) Mandy, Quote I confess that I love to throw parties, okay? I love to make people happy. I love to be the hostess with the mostess. Mandy,
If I showed up at your house wearing my avatar ape face would you let me join the party? thinker
Yea MandyHow about my “Mug” shot on facebook?
WJ
Keith, you would be a VIP!!
Cool!
Keith,
You must feel honored that you would be Mandy's ghost of honor.I hope my humor here goes off better than the “s” word remark.
thinker
HI JackWell the “harvest” party that whe would throw is for you!
Keith
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2009,16:36) Hi,
The church of the world does it's own thing.
What will they be busy doing when he returns?
The church of the world is the one that does nothing!WJ
Quote (georg @ Oct. 22 2009,02:59) I find it rather amazing that Halloween gets so much attention. I find that so ridiculous. Is it so important to you? There is no sense in something like that.
Irene
Hi Irene,
It is David and Con who are giving halloween all the attention. As the result of this discussion I see that some christians are more superstitious about satan and demons then what I had previously thought. I hadn't thought about halloween that much before. I am used to just treating it like another day. We all bring some kind of baggage into our belief system but David and Con have been ridiculous. I have engaged on this thread because I saw the things being said as an attack on the liberty Christ purchased for us. Now I am going to start giving out tracts and a piece of candy in Jesus' name. WJ made me aware that I was oblivious to the opportunities halloween presents. I especially got excited when I went on a site and discovered that halloween presents the most evangelistic opportunities of the year.Think about it. A lot of kids are going to come to my door. I don't even have to go out myself. It's a no-brainer! They will come to me and I can give them gospel literature. Almost all tracts will probably be thrown out. But you never know. It is as Spurgeon said, “How many thousands have been carried to heaven instrumentally upon the wings of these tracts, none can tell …”
If David and Con don't like it that's tough. I am not going to hide my light under a bushel because of a so called “spooky” day.
thinker
Hi WJ,
The church of the world claims to know God but instead preaches a trinity and does religious things not appointed to them and generally wastes the time of God while keeping very busy.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 22 2009,08:51) Hi WJ,
The church of the world claims to know God but instead preaches a trinity and does religious things not appointed to them and generally wastes the time of God while keeping very busy.
Who led you to Christ Nick?thinker
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