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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 20 2009,23:51) Hi LU,
Are the questions too painful?
No Nick, not painful…ignorant but not painful.Hi LU,
So we unwittingly inherit these pretty traditions from catholicism along with their false teachings but they all blur the reality of our relationship with God and His son.
God is not into celebrating the past till the present and the future are sorted.Quote God gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Or, maybe the message here is that Christmas, Easter, and halloween should be used as firewood?Lightenup, there is nothing intrinsically bad with the wood that they were worshipping, the sacred pole. It was just wood. So, they could burn it. But, understand that Jehovah hated false god worship. Burning the pole was not wrong. In fact, they were commanded to do this: (Ex 34:13; De 12:3)
But it would be different to take that thing that Jehovah hated and tie it around your neck and call every day on “Pole day” give people little poles in honor of the pole.Quote Christmas without Jesus is just a winter holiday. I will celebrate Christmas. Almost every part of Christmas existed before Jesus was born.
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 20 2009,17:19) Kathi Lightenup,Oct. wrote:Only two of them celebrates a Christian event, not all three. K
Not true! The world does not celebrate Jesus birth! The world does not celebrate Jesus resurection!But you do and your church does.
We use Oct 31st as a day for the children learning about the scriptures, the resurection, prayer, Bible characters Etc.
Is there a difference?
WJ
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Keith,
Would you be angry if halloween was officially wiped off the calendar, never to be celebrated again?
No!Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Would you be angry if Christmas was officially wiped off the calendar, never to be officially celebrated again? How about Easter.
No!I do not esteem any day as greater than another!
We celebrate his birth and resurection every day by virtue of the fact he lives in us and moves in us and has his being in us every day! There are no birthdays in heaven for Jesus!
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) I see Christmas and Easter as Christian celebrations.
I don't see halloween as a Christian celebration and so I don't think that Christians need to feel like providing an alternative party at church.
Thank you for your opinion!Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) The church choir prepares special Christmas music, and special Easter music but never special halloween music. I do not think that halloween should be celebrated at churches. I think the church should take a stand here and give the message that celebrating halloween is not a good idea. This can be done without being offensive as I have suggested before. We are not to judge or offend non-believers but love them and open the door when they knock and be a light of love and not darkness. My opinion,
Kathi
Thank you again for your opinion. We also should not judge or offend believers for using the day to teach kids and reach out to the lost by giving kids candy and Bible tracts!WJ
Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2009,00:40) Quote Christmas without Jesus is just a winter holiday. I will celebrate Christmas. Almost every part of Christmas existed before Jesus was born.
David,
Almost every part of the new altar probably existed within the old altar too. Stones are stones. The difference is who is the altar (celebration in this case) built in honor of.Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 21 2009,07:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,12:20) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,20:17) Mandy, Quote I confess that I love to throw parties, okay? I love to make people happy. I love to be the hostess with the mostess. Mandy,
If I showed up at your house wearing my avatar ape face would you let me join the party?
thinker
Yea MandyHow about my “Mug” shot on facebook?
WJ
Hey Keith,
Tell me (by pm) how to get on your facebook. I would like to see a picture of you and your family and friends.Jack
p.s. I do celebrate one event in October. My wife and I are celebrating our 30th anniversary today (October 20). But we won't be going out to celebrate until this weekend.
Jack
Congratulations, we will be celebrating our 35th this weekend, October seems to have been a good month for getting married.Wm
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,00:50) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 20 2009,17:19) Kathi Lightenup,Oct. wrote:Only two of them celebrates a Christian event, not all three. K
Not true! The world does not celebrate Jesus birth! The world does not celebrate Jesus resurection!But you do and your church does.
We use Oct 31st as a day for the children learning about the scriptures, the resurection, prayer, Bible characters Etc.
Is there a difference?
WJ
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Keith,
Would you be angry if halloween was officially wiped off the calendar, never to be celebrated again?
No!Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Would you be angry if Christmas was officially wiped off the calendar, never to be officially celebrated again? How about Easter.
No!I do not esteem any day as greater than another!
We celebrate his birth and resurection every day by virtue of the fact he lives in us and moves in us and has his being in us every day! There are no birthdays in heaven for Jesus!
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) I see Christmas and Easter as Christian celebrations.
I don't see halloween as a Christian celebration and so I don't think that Christians need to feel like providing an alternative party at church.
Thank you for your opinion!Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) The church choir prepares special Christmas music, and special Easter music but never special halloween music. I do not think that halloween should be celebrated at churches. I think the church should take a stand here and give the message that celebrating halloween is not a good idea. This can be done without being offensive as I have suggested before. We are not to judge or offend non-believers but love them and open the door when they knock and be a light of love and not darkness. My opinion,
Kathi
Thank you again for your opinion. We also should not judge or offend believers for using the day to teach kids and reach out to the lost by giving kids candy and Bible tracts!WJ
Hi Keith,
So are you fine with changing the saying “Merry Christmas” to “Happy holidays?” Do you now say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas?” Does that not irk you that the country is slowly taking “Christ” out of Christmas?Does your church treat every day like the rest or does it do special things for Christmas and Easter? Any special Christmas or Easter performances or are those days just like the rest?
I am not going to judge you for promoting the church festivals that celebrate halloween, I just think that we would be better off if the church did not celebrate halloween even in their “safe” way.
My opinion,
KathiQuote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 21 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 21 2009,07:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,12:20) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,20:17) Mandy, Quote I confess that I love to throw parties, okay? I love to make people happy. I love to be the hostess with the mostess. Mandy,
If I showed up at your house wearing my avatar ape face would you let me join the party? thinker
Yea MandyHow about my “Mug” shot on facebook?
WJ
Hey Keith,
Tell me (by pm) how to get on your facebook. I would like to see a picture of you and your family and friends.Jack
p.s. I do celebrate one event in October. My wife and I are celebrating our 30th anniversary today (October 20). But we won't be going out to celebrate until this weekend.
Jack
Congratulations, we will be celebrating our 35th this weekend, October seems to have been a good month for getting married.Wm
Congrats to both of you Wm and Thinker! I think that Thinker's wife must be very patient
Blessings,
KathiQuote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 21 2009,00:17) Hi LU,
So we unwittingly inherit these pretty traditions from catholicism along with their false teachings but they all blur the reality of our relationship with God and His son.
God is not into celebrating the past till the present and the future are sorted.
Nick,
Does your family gather for Christmas and Easter to celebrate? How about birthdays? Do you have any traditions that you enjoy?LU
Quote (david @ Oct. 20 2009,23:55) Quote So I will anwser… The Bible says I am to love my nighbor as myself, not more than myself, doesn't it?
If he is my brother then giving children candy and a Bible tract should not offend him
–WJ
WJ, I've played this mind game with myself a couple of times too, convincing myself that if they were only smarter, if they only had more knowledge, they would see that this or that was harmless.
But if it stumbles them, shouldn't that be our focus.Quote WJ, I ask you this again. Which is more important. Your freedom. Or, your brother?
WJ, I asked this because some on here continually wave their flag of freedom, and have not once mentioned how THEIR actions affect others. Sometimes, ones freedom encroaches on another's. Do you yield, or do you continue to cry “freedom”?And when I asked this the first time:
Quote Your conscience or the conscience of those who believe you are a Christian. Which is more important?
…after making some negative comment about JW's (a tactic you only do when you have nothing left to play) you said:Quote I would rather obey God than man!
But how does that answer my question. It was really a simple question:
1. Your conscience
2. Your brothers conscience
Pick which number is more important to you.
(No, you never answered this, so yes, I did rephrase the question:)WJ, I ask you this again. Which is more important. Your freedom. Or, your brother?
I know you don't want to answer this question. So, you answered:Quote The Bible says I am to love my nighbor as myself, not more than myself, doesn't it?
Again, not an answer. And again, it was an extremely simple question:
1. Your freedom
2. Your brother.
Which is more important, 1, or 2?I do know both are important to you. I do not doubt that. I just want you to actually think about which one you value more.
You go on:
Quote I cannot be responsible for the conscience of every man, especially those I do not know that I may be offending.
No one expects you to be responsible for the lives and consciences of every man. Just of those who are around you and observe your actions and interact with you. Imagine that the world is watching and that you are like the apostles, a theatrical spectacle to the world, and to angels and men.Quote If I believe my liberty in Christ allows me to have a glass of wine with my dinner, (Of course I havnt had a drink in many many months, but I am free to do so if I like), does that mean that I should not buy the wine for fear I might offend my brother who thinks it is wrong, and who I do not see?
How can you stumble someone you “do not see.”
Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble.Do you think that verse makes this seem important?
Do you think Paul felt his freedom was more important that stumbling a brother or less important?david.
I'd like to make clear, WJ, that I do think you have good motives. I just think you haven't fully considered those around you.
So I will answer once again…“The Bible says I am to love my neighbor as myself, not more than myself, doesn't it“?
If he is my brother then giving children candy and a Bible tract should not offend him, if it does then should I leave the one who is saved and give the tract and witness to the one who is not?
I cannot be responsible for the conscience of every man, especially those I do not know that I may be offending.
I think it was “seeking” that pointed out that some Christians think it is wrong to eat meat, so should I be afraid to buy meat in a store for fear I may offend my brother who may see me though he does not eat meat and I do?
If I believe my liberty in Christ allows me to have a glass of wine with my dinner, (Of course I haven’t had a drink in many, many months, but I am free to do so if I like), does that mean that I should not buy the wine for fear I might offend my brother who thinks it is wrong, and who I do not see?
But you know this David and just want to keep “HARRASING ME” and casting a shadow on my liberty in Christ.
I will not come under your insistence to legalism!
Actually, I find that rather offensive! We know what it says about offences.
“I HAVE SAID “DO AS YOU PLEASE ON OCT 31ST” AND I WILL DO WHAT I BELIEVE I SHOULD DO”. I WILL NOT CONDEMN YOU OR CAST SHADOW ON YOUR HEART FOR NOT DOING WHAT I DO, BUT NEITHER SHOULD YOU DO THAT TO ME, WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME?”.
You are actually harrasing me now!
“Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters“. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. ”WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVANT? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another; “another man considers every day alike”. EACH ONE SHOULD BE “FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND. he who regards one day as special, does so to the lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Rom 14:1-6
What part of these scriptures do you not understand David?
“So how about you getting off of my case and my back and stop with your judging me and casting a shadow on my liberty in Christ”?
WJ
Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2009,00:38) Quote God gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Or, maybe the message here is that Christmas, Easter, and halloween should be used as firewood?Lightenup, there is nothing intrinsically bad with the wood that they were worshipping, the sacred pole. It was just wood. So, they could burn it. But, understand that Jehovah hated false god worship. Burning the pole was not wrong. In fact, they were commanded to do this: (Ex 34:13; De 12:3)
But it would be different to take that thing that Jehovah hated and tie it around your neck and call every day on “Pole day” give people little poles in honor of the pole.
Well,
I think the message is that pagan roots do not have to dictate what is built upon them and what is built upon them can be totally in God's will. An argument based on pagan roots is insignificant to me because of this “altar” passage. God can have us build over something that was used for a false god. The mere fact that common elements (stones) were used does not make the common elements bad.Regarding the “wood” and not hanging little logs around our neck I suppose you are alluding to crosses. I see the cross similar to the altar that God had Gideon build in His honor. On that altar, like the cross, a sacrifice was made. God never tells us to tear down our altars that were built in honor of Him does He? I believe that the altars built in the OT as a memorial of an event that involved the true God in someway were pleasing to Him. People didn't worship the altar, they worshiped at the altar. In a similar way, Christians don't wear a cross around their neck in order to worship the cross but to remember a significant event that involved God. I do think that this pleases God.
The Spirit brings joy to the cross because on it sin was defeated, satan brings death to the cross and he hates it. I think that the cross should be a symbol of Jesus's victory and bring great joy…nothing to despise at all.
God bless,
KathiQuote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 21 2009,00:54) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 21 2009,07:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,12:20) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,20:17) Mandy, Quote I confess that I love to throw parties, okay? I love to make people happy. I love to be the hostess with the mostess. Mandy,
If I showed up at your house wearing my avatar ape face would you let me join the party? thinker
Yea MandyHow about my “Mug” shot on facebook?
WJ
Hey Keith,
Tell me (by pm) how to get on your facebook. I would like to see a picture of you and your family and friends.Jack
p.s. I do celebrate one event in October. My wife and I are celebrating our 30th anniversary today (October 20). But we won't be going out to celebrate until this weekend.
Jack
Congratulations, we will be celebrating our 35th this weekend, October seems to have been a good month for getting married.Wm
Hi JackI missed this!
Yes congrats on 30years. Also seeking congrats on 35 years.
Awsome!
WJ
Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2009,00:03) Quote I AM DEFENDING CHRISTIAN LIBERTY. –thinker
Quote We are defending our freedom in Christ to do with Oct 31st what ever we believe God wants us to do or not to do! –WJ
Since this is apparently the theme, I'm wondering if either of you could explain your Christian freedom. Define it. Explain it. Make us understand why it is more important to you than other people's lives.
Thankyou.
DavidWe have already explained it to you, but our answer is not good enough for you, the almighty judge.
David, who infers our hearts and motives are impure.
David, who is playing god by determining that some how we must be offending some “Brother” and causing them to stumble and therefore sinning, for giving out candy and Bible tracts to kids.
You know nothing about who we offend and who we don't do you David? Therfore you should stop judging us shouldn't you?
This defines our liberty in Christ…
“Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters“. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. ”WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE SOMEONE ELSE'S SERVANT? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another; “another man considers every day alike”. EACH ONE SHOULD BE “FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND. he who regards one day as special, does so to the lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Rom 14:1-6
Again, what part of these scriptures do you disagree with David?
When are you going to accept these scriptures and stop judging us and harrasing us?
WJ
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 21 2009,15:09) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,15:57) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2009,10:16) Quote I AM DEFENDING CHRISTIAN LIBERTY. Technically this thread is about halloween. I think through the legalist implications and discern the attack on Christian liberty. –thinker.
What do you think of halloween?
David,
I have answered all this already. Where have you been dude? I said that halloween is BENIGN. This is neither a defense or a condemnation. Paul felt that eating meats sacrificed to idols in an idol's temple was benign because he had the knowledge that no other gods exist. In other words, feasting in an idol's temple was BENIGN to Paul except where it caused his brother to stumble.Halloween is BENIGN to me David because I know that pagan gods and ghosts and satan are not real. I never even use a capital “s” for satan except when it is grammatically correct. Satan was real but he has been cast out this world and into the lake of fire.
Read 1 Corinthians 8 David. Paul said that those who could not feast in an idol's temple could not because they had a “consciousness of the idol” which defiled their consciences. I have no consciousness of idols David. So I may feast in an idol's temple if it does not cause my brother to stumble. I have said these things over and over on this thread David.
Halloween is a threat to you because you are conscious of that which does not exist!
Again, I do not defend or condemn halloween. It is BENIGN.
thinker
Satan has not been judged yet.
CON,
Go over to the “Satan has been cast into the lake of fire” thread I started and and prove that satan has not been judged yet. I posted it in the “Debates” forum.thinker
David said:
Quote But, given what was said about stumbling a brother, do you really want to take that risk? Do you really want to play with lives….so you can give children toothaches? David,
I have already answered this point several times. I would not do anything that caused my brother to stumble. Paul said that ths involves my causing my brother to ACT against his own conscience (1 Cor. 8) It seems that you have conceded a little here which is good.thinker
Quote (seekingtruth @ Oct. 21 2009,16:54) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 21 2009,07:26) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,12:20) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,20:17) Mandy, Quote I confess that I love to throw parties, okay? I love to make people happy. I love to be the hostess with the mostess. Mandy,
If I showed up at your house wearing my avatar ape face would you let me join the party? thinker
Yea MandyHow about my “Mug” shot on facebook?
WJ
Hey Keith,
Tell me (by pm) how to get on your facebook. I would like to see a picture of you and your family and friends.Jack
p.s. I do celebrate one event in October. My wife and I are celebrating our 30th anniversary today (October 20). But we won't be going out to celebrate until this weekend.
Jack
Congratulations, we will be celebrating our 35th this weekend, October seems to have been a good month for getting married.Wm
Congrats to you too Wm. October is a good month on the mid- atlantic coast USA. The weather is cool and crisp and the leaves are colorful and breathtaking. My wife especially loves Autumn.thinker
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,22:01) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 21 2009,00:50) Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 20 2009,17:19) Kathi Lightenup,Oct. wrote:Only two of them celebrates a Christian event, not all three. K
Not true! The world does not celebrate Jesus birth! The world does not celebrate Jesus resurection!But you do and your church does.
We use Oct 31st as a day for the children learning about the scriptures, the resurection, prayer, Bible characters Etc.
Is there a difference?
WJ
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Keith,
Would you be angry if halloween was officially wiped off the calendar, never to be celebrated again?
No!Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) Would you be angry if Christmas was officially wiped off the calendar, never to be officially celebrated again? How about Easter.
No!I do not esteem any day as greater than another!
We celebrate his birth and resurection every day by virtue of the fact he lives in us and moves in us and has his being in us every day! There are no birthdays in heaven for Jesus!
Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) I see Christmas and Easter as Christian celebrations.
I don't see halloween as a Christian celebration and so I don't think that Christians need to feel like providing an alternative party at church.
Thank you for your opinion!Quote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,23:04) The church choir prepares special Christmas music, and special Easter music but never special halloween music. I do not think that halloween should be celebrated at churches. I think the church should take a stand here and give the message that celebrating halloween is not a good idea. This can be done without being offensive as I have suggested before. We are not to judge or offend non-believers but love them and open the door when they knock and be a light of love and not darkness. My opinion,
Kathi
Thank you again for your opinion. We also should not judge or offend believers for using the day to teach kids and reach out to the lost by giving kids candy and Bible tracts!WJ
Hi Keith,
So are you fine with changing the saying “Merry Christmas” to “Happy holidays?” Do you now say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas?” Does that not irk you that the country is slowly taking “Christ” out of Christmas?Does your church treat every day like the rest or does it do special things for Christmas and Easter? Any special Christmas or Easter performances or are those days just like the rest?
I am not going to judge you for promoting the church festivals that celebrate halloween, I just think that we would be better off if the church did not celebrate halloween even in their “safe” way.
My opinion,
Kathi
Christ was never originally in christmasQuote (Lightenup @ Oct. 20 2009,22:31) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2009,00:38) Quote God gives direction here to Gideon to pull down a pagan altar and use the Asherah as firewood to later use to burn an offering to the Lord on the new altar that Gideon was to build in the same place and this time it would be an altar for the Lord. So you see, the Lord did not concern Himself with the purpose of what lied there before. It didn't bother Him to build on the ruins of the pagan altar. So, I see this new altar to have, in a sense, the pagan roots since it is built over what used to be pagan. Follow along here…the new Godly altar replaced the pagan altar. I see Christmas as the Godly holiday replacing the pagan holiday (the Winter Solstice)…Easter also.
Or, maybe the message here is that Christmas, Easter, and halloween should be used as firewood?Lightenup, there is nothing intrinsically bad with the wood that they were worshipping, the sacred pole. It was just wood. So, they could burn it. But, understand that Jehovah hated false god worship. Burning the pole was not wrong. In fact, they were commanded to do this: (Ex 34:13; De 12:3)
But it would be different to take that thing that Jehovah hated and tie it around your neck and call every day on “Pole day” give people little poles in honor of the pole.
Well,
I think the message is that pagan roots do not have to dictate what is built upon them and what is built upon them can be totally in God's will. An argument based on pagan roots is insignificant to me because of this “altar” passage. God can have us build over something that was used for a false god. The mere fact that common elements (stones) were used does not make the common elements bad.Regarding the “wood” and not hanging little logs around our neck I suppose you are alluding to crosses. I see the cross similar to the altar that God had Gideon build in His honor. On that altar, like the cross, a sacrifice was made. God never tells us to tear down our altars that were built in honor of Him does He? I believe that the altars built in the OT as a memorial of an event that involved the true God in someway were pleasing to Him. People didn't worship the altar, they worshiped at the altar. In a similar way, Christians don't wear a cross around their neck in order to worship the cross but to remember a significant event that involved God. I do think that this pleases God.
The Spirit brings joy to the cross because on it sin was defeated, satan brings death to the cross and he hates it. I think that the cross should be a symbol of Jesus's victory and bring great joy…nothing to despise at all.
God bless,
Kathi
I dont wear a cross. Its an immage.Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 21 2009,00:28) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 21 2009,15:09) Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 20 2009,15:57) Quote (david @ Oct. 21 2009,10:16) Quote I AM DEFENDING CHRISTIAN LIBERTY. Technically this thread is about halloween. I think through the legalist implications and discern the attack on Christian liberty. –thinker.
What do you think of halloween?
David,
I have answered all this already. Where have you been dude? I said that halloween is BENIGN. This is neither a defense or a condemnation. Paul felt that eating meats sacrificed to idols in an idol's temple was benign because he had the knowledge that no other gods exist. In other words, feasting in an idol's temple was BENIGN to Paul except where it caused his brother to stumble.Halloween is BENIGN to me David because I know that pagan gods and ghosts and satan are not real. I never even use a capital “s” for satan except when it is grammatically correct. Satan was real but he has been cast out this world and into the lake of fire.
Read 1 Corinthians 8 David. Paul said that those who could not feast in an idol's temple could not because they had a “consciousness of the idol” which defiled their consciences. I have no consciousness of idols David. So I may feast in an idol's temple if it does not cause my brother to stumble. I have said these things over and over on this thread David.
Halloween is a threat to you because you are conscious of that which does not exist!
Again, I do not defend or condemn halloween. It is BENIGN.
thinker
Satan has not been judged yet.
CON,
Go over to the “Satan has been cast into the lake of fire” thread I started and and prove that satan has not been judged yet. I posted it in the “Debates” forum.thinker
Been there done that
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