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He makes some good points.
Islam or at least many of Islam's adherents seem very unjust in this matter.smile hi t8, islam today is a picture of the early christians culture.
do you think the romans ruled with the same force…until there theology was feared into remembrance by the left living?
charity, I will say it outright, I believe you are blind because you lack understanding.
There is a difference between a follower of Christ and the state owned Church that the Roman Empire setup for its own political agenda, which BTW is not the Church as some think and you seem to refer. The Roman Empire was conquering and murdering before it setup its own church for its own agenda.
Some people are easily deceived. All the enemy needs to do to deceive them is join an organisation with the intent of bringing it to ruin or abusing it to their own end and it is done in the minds of the blind because they are unable to think deeply and see the truth and will judge by the surface or outward appearance only.
Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world for a start. And no murderer can enter the Kingdom of Heaven etc. This is the standard for the true Church. If you are an unrepentant murderer you are not a follower of Christ according to the head of the Church and you do not belong to the Kingdom of God, and neither are you a living stone in the Church.
You need to look deeper into the issue you are talking about. Scratching the surface is not enough charity.
When you compare the foundation and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammad, one is of love and grace and the other is about taking things by force. Look at the teachings and compare and then judge from that.
What men use the name of Jesus for is not the same as the true agenda for the Kingdom of God and the way it is structured. It is an organisation that is not of this world and those who belong, love God and their fellow man as themselves as the standard. Sinners have no place here.
Quote (charity @ Mar. 21 2012,14:56) early christians culture.
You lack understanding of true Christian culture. It is about being a martyr, not martyring others.What you are talking about is the culture of the beast (Rome). It was like that before Jesus and after Jesus.
Understand history before judging it.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2012,14:04) charity, I will say it outright, I believe you are blind because you lack understanding. There is a difference between a follower of Christ and the state owned Church that the Roman Empire setup for its own political agenda, which BTW is not the Church as some think and you seem to refer. The Roman Empire was conquering and murdering before it setup its own church for its own agenda.
Some people are easily deceived. All the enemy needs to do to deceive them is join an organisation with the intent of bringing it to ruin or abusing it to their own end and it is done in the minds of the blind because they are unable to think deeply and see the truth and will judge by the surface or outward appearance only.
Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world for a start. And no murderer can enter the Kingdom of Heaven etc. This is the standard for the true Church. If you are an unrepentant murderer you are not a follower of Christ according to the head of the Church and you do not belong to the Kingdom of God, and neither are you a living stone in the Church.
You need to look deeper into the issue you are talking about. Scratching the surface is not enough charity.
When you compare the foundation and teachings of Jesus vs Muhammad, one is of love and grace and the other is about taking things by force. Look at the teachings and compare and then judge from that.
What men use the name of Jesus for is not the same as the true agenda for the Kingdom of God and the way it is structured. It is an organisation that is not of this world and those who belong, love God and their fellow man as themselves as the standard. Sinners have no place here.
interesting enough..John scriptures always pop up on the post thats personally accusing someone into a dunc, the books a nightmare t8.if the minds programmed to believe lies. its been tricked
I traveled over the holy land, Johns a nothing…he is of no challenge to anyone over there! his church isn't even on a tour? you have to go there on your own..an you could dig his grave up because no one guards it! why is that t8.why is my perception an experience a nothing?
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 21 2012,14:06) Quote (charity @ Mar. 21 2012,14:56) early christians culture.
You lack understanding of true Christian culture. It is about being a martyr, not martyring others.What you are talking about is the culture of the beast (Rome). It was like that before Jesus and after Jesus.
Understand history before judging it.
so what your saying is I don't understand that its wrong to question the men that shut Jesus up. I am aware of Romans ruling jewish culture… 450 bc.the lovely ezra an the Babylon's cup bearer, Nehemiah, returned with the sheep, deal was, that they in throned moses covenant again, sacrifice an offering, .. an next, to fix Solomon's mess… separating families, ripping hair off scalps,an throwing Solomon's foreign wives children out the gates, an hence the Son of David the promised servant should arrive, an reverse the covenants back to davids throne, an for the promise of… there should have been no end to End to the throne of David, an his Son shall sit on his throne an rule..least the whole thing be miss understood deliberately, so as to reverse it back to moses house, re represented by John to all the dumb dumbs as the kingdom an throne is now officially catapulted off into a eternity kingdom as there shover off promise.. hence forth with their king of the jews…..which was before extended to sit on a kingdom throne on earth! an latter denied!
charity.
People lack understanding when they ignore the greater realm.
Matters on Earth are sown in Heaven and vice versa.The Kingdom is not of this world.
You seem to have trouble with anything to do with Heaven and relate your argument to earthly things and think it a contradiction or wrong when Heavenly things are the promise.
Quote (charity @ Mar. 21 2012,18:20) why is my perception an experience a nothing?
It is not worth counting if it ignores the Kingdom of Heaven.Not all are of Heaven, I understand that.
Hi Charity,
Do you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior?I would really like to know where you stand on this, thanks.
Blessings,
KathiHi t8
well do you think Jesus was not really interested in the earthly Kingdom, his fathers throne King David?
Hi Kathi…
All so common…An Im sorry those words are strange..
I do understand…jesus as your lord an savour…because he chose to die for your sins? apology If am wrong quoting your heart!!
So!
Jesus is Mighty! an this may help you understand my heart kathi…by the way its very nice to see you…!Ok…
… I Do not except the roman priests sacrifice on my behalf…It all happened because people where blizar..an they loved the feeling of toddling off free, feeling that they had pleased God by sacrificing an killing an animal..
David preached.. Harken an hear an your soul shall live. no more sacrifice an offering.. 2000 yrs before jesus was sacrificed..
sacrifice was known as no longer pleasing to God…
an people use Jesus in much the same way..the same wipe of the mouth an the tinkle of obedience in the heart!…sacrifice never kept you righteous for long! you had to return…thats one of the reasons that many eat an drink the savours flesh an blood weekly …for remembrance of sin..many things are preached around the disobedience of those that sacrificed Jesus..the understanding is shallow.
Isa 53:7¶He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and (who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living): for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Now after reading he was cut off from the land of the living an taken as a lamb to the slaughter by transgressors…..one might suspect….Jhn 1:29¶The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Now you might already Know how I feel about the Book of John….I can confirm, I am on major alert with anything to do with that gospel! If you want a noisy verbal Jesus defending himself, read John ..john also has Jesus catapulting the kingdom off into the future mad at the jews to for not standing up for him……the other gospels have a different Jesus, the one with his tongue cleaving to his roof of his mouth an silent..like above..
the damage is…the kingdom of god is sent away in John…an all sorts of ways to enter soon came about!
Hi Charity,
It is good to see you too.
Thank you for your response. From what I perceive from your answer then, is that Jesus is not your Lord and Savior and you do not accept His sacrifice for your sins. Also, you believe that the Bible is not inerrant. Is that correct?Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2012,04:53) Hi Charity,
It is good to see you too.
Thank you for your response. From what I perceive from your answer then, is that Jesus is not your Lord and Savior and you do not accept His sacrifice for your sins. Also, you believe that the Bible is not inerrant. Is that correct?
Yes I have stopped to think that presenting Jesus in the wrong manner could lead to the deception of bail worship.Deu 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
Deu 4:32¶For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and [ask] from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been [any such thing] as this great thing [is], or hath been heard like it?(so I ask from one side of heaven to the other about many things)
2Sa 7:12¶And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took [it] from Saul, whom I put away before thee.
2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
Hi Kathi, Its a shame stigma is attached to pair pressure, it feels like Police finding a bomb outside a house..
They've told the public not to panic as they will manage to push it inside the house.Hi Charity,
Can you elaborate on your last post here? What stigma are you talking about and what pressure do you feel? You quote the OT, does that mean that there are some parts of the Bible that are without error, in your opinion?Thanks again,
KathiQuote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2012,10:06) Hi Charity,
Can you elaborate on your last post here? What stigma are you talking about and what pressure do you feel? You quote the OT, does that mean that there are some parts of the Bible that are without error, in your opinion?Thanks again,
Kathi
sorry Lighten up…the reference was directed towards the character of Lindsay report. the subject post one#I try to keep an open mind..you can use the several holy books however you wish to justify any-behavor…the catholic church bound them into the notion that created offence if you found something difficult to digest.sickening. we have many churches an theology's appearing from the roman catholic notion The holy bible an the word of God.. church
Hi Charity,
Did you realize that it is part of being a Christian to believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2012,16:02) Hi Charity,
Did you realize that it is part of being a Christian to believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?
This is all about numbering people over his death! the way in-which he died Kathi!, for many he has to be him giving his own life…or its going to be, he had no choice..
Act 8:32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:Act 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation?( for his life is (taken) from the earth).
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.also..Jer 11:19 But I [was] like a lamb [or] an ox [that] is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, [saying], Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
also..My cyber space cry for a decent trial to nail the guilty to their deeds…Jer 11:20 But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause.
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