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Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
JESUS WAS IN HELL WHEN TORTURED; AND WAS LEFT IN HIS TOMB FOR 3/HALF DAYS: BEFORE CORRUPTION OF THE FLESH BEGINS.

LAZARUS:
Luke 16:23 And *in hell* he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
IF HE COULD SEE ABRAHAM,THAN ABRAHAM COULD SEE HIM ALSO. I BELIEVE THAT HE WILL ONLY OPEN HIS EYES JUST BEFORE HIS JUDGEMENT.(SECOND JUDGEMENT).

Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
THE FLAME WOULD BE SPIRITUALLY IN FLAME.

Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy *good things*, and likewise Lazarus *evil things*: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
LAZARUS WAS IN HELL ON EARTH,NOW HE IS AT PEACE
WITH GOD.

THE RICH MAN HAD HIS HEAVEN ON EARTH;AND NOW SUFFERERING IN HELL; WAITING IN SPIRITUAL FLAME TO BE JUDGED.

ALL DEAD CARRIES HIS LIFETIME WORKS INTO HIS GRAVE,TO BE JUDGED,IN THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.

Psalms 18:5 The sorrows of hell *compassed* me about: the *snares of death* prevented me.
ITS OBEVIOUS THAT HELL IS A BAD SITUATION.
A BAD PERIOD.SOME SUFFER HELL ON EARTH,BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN DOINGS.
JESUS SUFFERED HELL; HIS LAST NIGHT,HE WAS BURNING INSIDE,THEN TORUTERED.

NOT TO BE MISTAKEN WITH THE LAKE OF FIRE.
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

wakeup.

September 8, 2013 at 8:24 pm#357154

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Wakeup,

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

The same Hebrews called spirit wind.

English does it as well.

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Etymology[edit source | edit]. The word cast comes from the Old English word ' casten ' or ' kasta '(c.1230), to throw in, to consider, plot, imagine, and design.

Even in English “turn in” means “go to” such as Let's “turn in” to bed.

This article about cast member just happened to have the etymology of the word “cast”.

September 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm#357165

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Wakeup,

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

The same Hebrews called spirit wind.

English does it as well.

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Etymology[edit source | edit]. The word cast comes from the Old English word ' casten ' or ' kasta '(c.1230), to throw in, to consider, plot, imagine, and design.

Even in English “turn in” means “go to” such as Let's “turn in” to bed.

This article about cast member just happened to have the etymology of the word “cast”.

Thank you for your info Kerwin.

wakeup.

September 8, 2013 at 11:58 pm#357178

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Wakeup,

You are welcome!

September 9, 2013 at 2:04 pm#357218

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Wakeup,Sep. wrote:

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Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

THE RICH MAN HAD HIS HEAVEN ON EARTH;AND NOW SUFFERERING IN HELL; WAITING IN SPIRITUAL FLAME TO BE JUDGED.

ALL DEAD CARRIES HIS LIFETIME WORKS INTO HIS GRAVE,TO BE JUDGED,IN THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.

NOT TO BE MISTAKEN WITH THE LAKE OF FIRE.
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

Hi Wakeup.

Thank you that was very interesting and worth looking into.

Here is another another example of hell.

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Jonah did not die, yet out of the belly of hell he cried. He was alive. So this hell is on EARTH! Jonah's hell was in the belly of the whale.

I see it now what you are explaining. Many think that hell is for the dead, but it is here on earth, for the living, for the spiritually dead and even for the rebellious God fearing. To give us a taste of what it feels like to be destitute without God by our side.
Christ was not spiritually dead, , yet he was in the hands of hell (tribulation).
There is a difference between being punished for disobedience, and suffering for righteousness sake, although both have to happen in hell.

Earth is the playground where the devil and his angels now dwell. They control it. Babylon the Great it's called now. We must come out of her and not suffer for evil doing, but for righteousness sake.

Praise the Lord that like Jonah, mercy was given, and through Christ, the door is still open to all of us, but not for long.

Matthew 25:29 For every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (frustration)
(We can't weep and gnash our teeth when we are dead, otherwise we are not dead!)

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

I always thought that hell mean't death, the grave, and that was that, but now have a better understanding that hell happens when we are alive to taste it, not dead.

Thank you for that, I learned something new.

September 9, 2013 at 7:22 pm#357235

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Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

THE RICH MAN HAD HIS HEAVEN ON EARTH;AND NOW SUFFERERING IN HELL; WAITING IN SPIRITUAL FLAME TO BE JUDGED.

ALL DEAD CARRIES HIS LIFETIME WORKS INTO HIS GRAVE,TO BE JUDGED,IN THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.

NOT TO BE MISTAKEN WITH THE LAKE OF FIRE.
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

wakeup.

Wakeup

i BELIEVE the hell ,would still be their for them at the second resurrection ,that would be the day of judgment for them ,but yes all they have done in there souls is with them ,they did not produce any good works of faith ,so they still face that reality ,for what ever time as be set for it ;,NOT SO FOR THOSE IN CHRIST ,EVIL CAN NO LONGER HARM THEM ,

September 9, 2013 at 11:06 pm#357246

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Quote (Wakeup @ Sep. 08 2013,05:49)

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

THE RICH MAN HAD HIS HEAVEN ON EARTH;AND NOW SUFFERERING IN HELL; WAITING IN SPIRITUAL FLAME TO BE JUDGED.

ALL DEAD CARRIES HIS LIFETIME WORKS INTO HIS GRAVE,TO BE JUDGED,IN THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.

NOT TO BE MISTAKEN WITH THE LAKE OF FIRE.
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

wakeup.

Wakeup

Terra.

Satan will not touch the wicked;for they are already his.
He is always focussing on the God fearing,to try to make them fall.
Do you remember What Jesus said to Peter?
He said,Peter I have prayed for you,because satan is after you.
A new commer just starting to seek the Lord,will always be tempted,and obstructions put in front, to give up,and go for the world.

wakeup.

September 9, 2013 at 11:16 pm#357248

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Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be *turned into hell*, and all the nations that forget God.
TURNED INTO HELL(TROUBLE,HOPELESSNESS AND CHAOS); NOT *CAST INTO HELL*.

THE RICH MAN HAD HIS HEAVEN ON EARTH;AND NOW SUFFERERING IN HELL; WAITING IN SPIRITUAL FLAME TO BE JUDGED.

ALL DEAD CARRIES HIS LIFETIME WORKS INTO HIS GRAVE,TO BE JUDGED,IN THE SECOND JUDGEMENT.

NOT TO BE MISTAKEN WITH THE LAKE OF FIRE.
PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

wakeup.

Wakeup

Terra.

wakeup.

wakeup

you misunderstood me ,at the resurrection (second) this will be there trial though the fire ,either they make it ,or will be burned in the lake ;

satan will be there doing what they are very familiar with ,it will be the truth ,that the righteous preach to them that will act as a fire in them ,

September 10, 2013 at 12:35 am#357264

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terraricca,Sep. wrote:

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Hi Pierre,

If I may butt in, Yes, at the 2nd resurrection, that would be hell for them also, the worst type, but their shame, humiliation, frustration & damnation would be caused by God this time, and not the devil in his own playground. They will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire and will be gone forever, because death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire and done away with forever also. So no devil there torturing them, for he is gone also.

What we are talking about here is slightly different. God can throw some of us into hell here, whilst we are still alive. Example, give us over to the devil where he can do what he likes with us and fill us with so much pain and sorrow, and torment where nothing goes right. Total confusion, darkness and oppression where there is no help.

Some live in Babylon and have a smooth life with all the good things, and then one day everything changes and all comes crumbling down where there is no peace and no rest. People start getting exposed for all their dirty deeds and the whole world finds out about it, and their shame is open for all to see and they are brought low. This is the uncovering of their nakedness. This is God stripping them bare before the real judgment where they will be stripped bare again fully.

And Christ was in hell also when he was captured & flogged, and spat at, and pierced, and humiliated, and evil did touch him because he suffered & was killed in their hands, by those who dwell in hell under the control of satan.
So we christians have to go through this hell also, but not for evil doings, but go through it just like Christ did, because we follow him, and we might seem protected now because of human rights and freedom of religion, but there will come a day when we here in the west also will be detested and hated as much as Christ was and will go through hell but for righteousness sake. We are not in darkness, knowing nothing. We are filled with the light, given understanding as Christ has shared God's plan with us, and we have hope & assurance through the Word of God that cannot lie, that we will be resurrected and never touched again after this.
Praise the Almighty Father.

God bless you Pierre.

September 10, 2013 at 1:09 am#357272

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J42

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God never give you up ,he tests us BIG DIFFERENCE ; BUT HOW

GAL 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
GAL 6:8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

EVERYTHING STILL IN OUR HANDS BUT ,FOR A MOMENT HE WITH DRAW ,AND NOW ;CAN WE STAND ON OUR OWN TWO FEET HIS THE TRUTH AND LOVE FOR , GOD STRONG ENOUGH IN OUR HEART ,SO THAT NO MATHER WHAT WE WOULD KEEP GOING HIS WAY ??

OR WOULD WE QUICKLY FALL DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REACH THE MATURITY OF STANDING PU,???

UNDERSTAND WE ARE DOING THE FILLING GOD ONLY SUPPLY THE FUEL ,(TRUTH) THE QUALITY OF THE FUEL ONLY DEPEND ON US ;MANY RIDES ON POLLUTE FUEL IN THEIR HEARTS

September 10, 2013 at 1:24 am#357278

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No forgetting this one thing;and that is that no one can come to God unless God draws him.
For God knows who are his,and he will draw them to him.
And Jesus will do the feeding.

wakeup.

September 10, 2013 at 1:56 am#357291

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Journey,

Jonah was revealing the point that being in the belly of a shark(?) was like unto being in Sheol. Jesus used that likeness to foretell his stay in Sheol on three days.

September 11, 2013 at 3:05 am#357387

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terraricca,Sep. wrote:

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God never give you up ,he tests us BIG DIFFERENCE ; BUT HOW

Yes I agree, there is a big difference. God tempts no man, but man is tempted when he is enticed by his own desires.
We are flesh, but walking in the spirit. The spirit and the flesh are continually at war with each other. We are not made perfect yet, so from time to time there will be weaknesses in us, and we will fall. The weakness in the flesh stems from a weakness in our spirit that we are not in total obedience to God. God doesn't make our decisions, we make them. We make the choices, and when we choose the wrong choice because of disobedience, we can end up in the devils playground. It's there where we can really see the fruits of our works, because trouble comes from all directions, and problems escalate. We can taste evil again.
If we realise our error, confess and repent then we are made humble before God, and he will pull us out of the mess we got ourselves into. Hopefully a lesson to us to never repeat and grow stronger in the faith with all obedience.
But some are stuck there because of their disobedience, and never realise they are so far away from God because he has taken his spirit out of them. So they are living in hell where there is frustration and gnashing of the teeth with no comfort or help. This makes them angrier, so they sin more.

But the true ones, with a godly conscience, yes, he will not forsake, but teach us lessons in the mean time to exercise our spirit.

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Exactly Pierre.

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Lets hope so, and yes, good point. If we feel God has taken his spirit away from us, then it should be a feeling of total devastation. An empty hole inside us. Pure fear. Most true worshipers would not sit comfortable for long with this feeling of abandonment. They will compare with what the Father gave them before (security) with all his words spoken to us in the scriptures, and the peace he gave, and call out to him with all their heart.

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OR WOULD WE QUICKLY FALL DOWN BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT REACH THE MATURITY OF STANDING PU,???

Yes. If not mature enough we can fall so fast. But even mature christians can fall too. When they end up in Babylon they'll see things they've never seen or experienced before, and get a clearer taste of all the evil around, so will learn to hate evil even more and stay away from it next time fully on guard.

September 11, 2013 at 3:56 am#357392

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kerwin,Sep. wrote:

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Journey,

Jonah was revealing the point that being in the belly of a shark(?) was like unto being in Sheol. Jesus used that likeness to foretell his stay in Sheol on three days.

Jonah 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

He said, out of the belly of hell he cried. You can interpret that as him saying it was like being in hell, and I agree, but that is not the true wording of the scripture is it? It's just our interpretation of what he's meaning.

I know from the scriptures that once we are dead there is no memory, no love, no hatred, and having no share in anything done under the sun. This means to me that when we all die, good or bad, that we know nothing. It's as if time stands still and we are asleep (and not even dreaming)

There is so much talk about hell, and always has been. Hell is mentioned a lot in the scriptures. By men, hell is depicted as a place for evil dead souls to go where the devil and his angels are tormenting them in this incredible fire.
But is this image of hell true?
Or is it a misconception that has been used to spread as a scare tactic forcing people into christianity?

I can't see one scripture that says that hell happens after we die. Can you?

We know that hell will also be thrown into the lake of fire

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The lake of fire is the END of everything. Turned to ashes, no more in existence.

People confuse hell with the lake of fire. I'm not saying there is no hell, because the scriptures mention it often. Hell does exist, yes. but according to the scriptures the picture I am getting is that it is here on earth. It's a spiritual place of confusion, oppression, murder, sickness, lust, revenge, sorrow, etc, and the devil runs it. So if we are in hell, we are in his hands and run into all these things.

So hell is a place of torment where the devil and his angels are.
…And the devil and his angels are here on earth. This is their playground, where men dwell.

So when someone says “I've been to hell and back”
are they comparing it to something else?
or are they describing it as it really is?
A place of suffering that they have lived through?

September 11, 2013 at 6:16 am#357396

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Jammin,

It is not a literal translation but it can be a true translation if it is a true statement. What I said was true.

I lauded to Jesus stay in Hell/Hades/Sheol. Acts teaches us that his soul was in Sheol while his body knew no corruption.

The Sheol Jesus preached in the rich man and Lazarus parable had two sections one a place of torment and the other a paradise. It is a place of the dead.

Hell/Hades/Sheol will be tossed into Hell/Gehenna/Lake of fire in those days as death will be no more.

Jesus taught repent or perish.

September 11, 2013 at 11:35 am#357408

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J42

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TRUE BUT IT IS STILL OUR OWN TEMPTATION OF OUR OWN DESIRES THAT WOULD BRING US DOWN ,RIGHT ?

September 12, 2013 at 1:22 am#357449

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TRUE BUT IT IS STILL OUR OWN TEMPTATION OF OUR OWN DESIRES THAT WOULD BRING US DOWN ,RIGHT ?

Yes Pierre,

That is true.

September 12, 2013 at 2:14 am#357456

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Hi Kerwin.

I did come across a scripture mentioning hell after death.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

I missed this, my mistake.

But I'm still working it out in my head what hell actually is.
I know it's a place of torment. I know God has the power to cast us in there.

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

This tells me that because Jesus' soul was not left in hell, he was there. Just not left there.
We also know that when Jesus was crucified, he really died.
He was really dead for those few days, otherwise the scriptures lie.
He did not ascend to his Father until AFTER his resurrection,
this is when he was given his reward…his life back.
so it makes no sense that Christ would anywhere, even hell before his resurrection. (after his resurrection he visited those particular fallen angels who are locked up to this day) but not before.

So to have a soul, one does not have to be dead. I have a soul now, and so do you. What's in our soul is life. So we are living souls. There are also dead souls. I know that. They are preserved for judgement or salvation in their graves, but they go no-where until judgement.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Now it doesn't say Jesus soul was dead when he was in hell. It just said that his soul was not left there. So what was Jesus' hell? To me, it seems like it was the time during his persecution and crucifixion. This period of time was cut short for Christ and his suffering did not linger for long. As soon as he died, he was out of their hands.
And his Body did not see corruption. It did not rot. We have two here. His body and his soul. His soul was his life, and his body put to death.

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

So to me the hell Jesus experienced, was in those last few days of his life. It is a place of torment. Whether it be on earth now, or after death, it is a state of terror.

I imagine that when the 2nd resurrection comes, the wicked may have to be in this state for a short time, of pure fear, but not the type of hell man has depicted with the devil there, just the type of hell only God can give when he is angry with us and we know he is going to throw us into that lake of fire.

Still working it out
bear with me!

September 12, 2013 at 8:33 am#357467