Gross errors abound

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
I cannot understand why you do not accept the simple doctrines found in the foundation of truth, the bible?
How does your trinity theory enable you to know and love your god or gods?

[Worshipping Jesus]

NH

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,14:53)

Hi WJ, You put words in the mouth of God like trinity and yet think you can judge those who honestly offer their additions? Is that any sort of a position of strength? NH

Tell you what, how about everytime that you defend the unambiguous truth I attack you by saying something like…

“You put words in the Fathers mouth by claiming Jesus was born again at the Jordan, and you think you have the right to judge others who disagree with you?”

WJ  

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2009,06:31)

Hi Jodi, But you do not accept the words of Jesus about Satan and his dominion preferring to try to work from the OT so how does that differ from BD's problem? It seems you are equally wrong.

Nick go to the posts where I have discussed Satan and show me precisely where I have denied what Jesus says. Don't make accusations and not back them up. I could easily say you're the one who is denying the teachings of Jesus, and I have backed that up on other threads with direct examples. Once again please back up your accusations with specifics, that would be much appreciated.

I use the teachings of who God is from the OT and what He tells us from the OT to give understanding to the New. How exactly am I in error for that? Did the truths about God in the OT become lies when the NT was formed…..is that how you see it Nick?

You see that I am equally wrong with BD because I use the Old Testament to give me understanding about the truths concerning who God is and His plan? Are you insane, or would you like to explain yourself a little more clearly as to what you meant?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,15:23)

Hi WJ, I cannot understand why you do not accept the simple doctrines found in the foundation of truth, the bible? How does your trinity theory enable you to know and love your god or gods?

NH

Is there something wrong with believeing the scriptures that call Jesus God?

If you think so that is your problem isnt it for you are not my judge either?

I stand by all the scriptures, how about you?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
You filter the teachings of Jesus through your doctrines.
Is it not better to listed to him?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,15:30)

Hi Jodi, You filter the teachings of Jesus through your doctrines. Is it not better to listed to him?

NH

Pot calling the kettle black!

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,15:30)

Hi Jodi, You filter the teachings of Jesus through your doctrines. Is it not better to listed to him?

NH

Did Jesus say he was born again at the Jordan?

WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
So foundational doctrines like trinity surely should align with the teachings of Jesus if you say you belong to him should they not
but he never said he was god or part of any trinity did he?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
We follow Jesus the man so how can we if he did not walk this way?

[Jodi Lee]

Hi WJ,

I know I can probably get a strait answer out of you, and I've been waiting for others to explain it.

I am trying to wrap my brain around how exactly trinitarians view God. I may not agree with your view and think it is in error but I would like to at least understand it better.

Please correct me where I am wrong. My guess is that even trinitarians see God a little differently as well, but at least you can give me your understanding of truth.

Three separate persons make up the one true God.  
There are not three God's put the three persons make one God.

Is it your understanding though however, that each person that makes up God can be separately referred to as God in the bible?
Are you following me with why I am asking this question?

God makes up the three but separately they are not God, because otherwise that would make three Gods right?

So in the bible every time we see God wouldn't that have to represent all three?

How is Jesus fully God, when to be fully God takes all three? I keep hearing that Jesus was fully human and fully God. Is this meant as meaning at the SAME time, and if so how does that make sense? And again, if Jesus is fully God how can that be since God exists because of three separate persons?

Could you please explain how the following fits in with your understanding?

1Co 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

I would greatly appreciate it. Don't worry, I've matured and I wont call you ignorant or a liar, so please engage in my questions and I will be respectful.

Thanks and Peace to you,   Jodi

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2009,07:30)

Hi Jodi, You filter the teachings of Jesus through your doctrines. Is it not better to listed to him?

So you'd rather continue being lame through unsupported accusations, then discuss scripture?

NICE!

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
We prefer what Jesus taught.

[KangarooJack]

bodhitharta said:

Quote

When I show you scriptures from the Bible you don't believe them and if you disregard what I quote from the Quran why is it you Quote from all sorts of sources to no offense to anyone.

bd,

You say that Jesus was a false prophet, that Paul was a deceiver, that the testimony of the disciples was not reliable, and that the Scriptures were tampered with. And you have the nerve to fault others who you think do not believe the Bible? Who would believe the Bible if what you say about it is true. The question is why do you claim to believe it?  

thinker

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,15:59)

Hi WJ, So foundational doctrines like trinity surely should align with the teachings of Jesus if you say you belong to him should they not but he never said he was god or part of any trinity did he?

Hi NH

Being born again is a foundational doctrine, and you say that Jesus (who was without sin) was born again at the Jordan.

But you have added to the scriptures your own doctrine havn't you?

Isnt that what you said was putting words in the Fathers mouth?

WJ

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 14 2009,16:06)

Hi WJ, I know I can probably get a strait answer out of you, and I've been waiting for others to explain it. I am trying to wrap my brain around how exactly trinitarians view God. I may not agree with your view and think it is in error but I would like to at least understand it better. Please correct me where I am wrong. My guess is that even trinitarians see God a little differently as well, but at least you can give me your understanding of truth. Three separate persons make up the one true God.   There are not three God's put the three persons make one God. Is it your understanding though however, that each person that makes up God can be separately referred to as God in the bible? Are you following me with why I am asking this question? God makes up the three but separately they are not God, because otherwise that would make three Gods right? So in the bible every time we see God wouldn't that have to represent all three? How is Jesus fully God, when to be fully God takes all three? I keep hearing that Jesus was fully human and fully God. Is this meant as meaning at the SAME time, and if so how does that make sense? And again, if Jesus is fully God how can that be since God exists because of three separate persons? Could you please explain how the following fits in with your understanding? 1Co 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. I would greatly appreciate it. Don't worry, I've matured and I wont call you ignorant or a liar, so please engage in my questions and I will be respectful. Thanks and Peace to you,   Jodi

Hi Jodi

I have over 5000 post explaining my position and why I believe what I believe to be sriptural.

In the Trinity part 1 thread alone I have 785 post out of 10,000 on the subject.

First I would ask you to look at those or Click here and read Isa 1:18 proof text in the debates thread.

Isa 1:18 and myself believe exactly the same as far as I can tell except he is better at explaining things than I am!

Then if you have questions I will be happy to attempt to answer them!

Blessings WJ

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
It is amazing how many posts you have written trying to justify something that is not in the bible.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,20:43)

Hi WJ, It is amazing how many posts you have written trying to justify something that is not in the bible.

Hi NH

It is amazing how many post you have made just to critisize some one!

WJ

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2009,12:41)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 14 2009,16:06) Hi WJ, I know I can probably get a strait answer out of you, and I've been waiting for others to explain it. I am trying to wrap my brain around how exactly trinitarians view God. I may not agree with your view and think it is in error but I would like to at least understand it better. Please correct me where I am wrong. My guess is that even trinitarians see God a little differently as well, but at least you can give me your understanding of truth. Three separate persons make up the one true God.   There are not three God's put the three persons make one God. Is it your understanding though however, that each person that makes up God can be separately referred to as God in the bible? Are you following me with why I am asking this question? God makes up the three but separately they are not God, because otherwise that would make three Gods right? So in the bible every time we see God wouldn't that have to represent all three? How is Jesus fully God, when to be fully God takes all three? I keep hearing that Jesus was fully human and fully God. Is this meant as meaning at the SAME time, and if so how does that make sense? And again, if Jesus is fully God how can that be since God exists because of three separate persons? Could you please explain how the following fits in with your understanding? 1Co 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. I would greatly appreciate it. Don't worry, I've matured and I wont call you ignorant or a liar, so please engage in my questions and I will be respectful. Thanks and Peace to you,   Jodi Hi Jodi I have over 5000 post explaining my position and why I believe what I believe to be sriptural. In the Trinity part 1 thread alone I have 785 post out of 10,000 on the subject. First I would ask you to look at those or Click here and read Isa 1:18 proof text in the debates thread. Isa 1:18 and myself believe exactly the same as far as I can tell except he is better at explaining things than I am! Then if you have questions I will be happy to attempt to answer them! Blessings WJ

Excellent WJ,

I will go through them.

Thanks and peace to you, Jodi

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 15 2009,07:28)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 15 2009,06:31) Hi Jodi, But you do not accept the words of Jesus about Satan and his dominion preferring to try to work from the OT so how does that differ from BD's problem? It seems you are equally wrong. Nick go to the posts where I have discussed Satan and show me precisely where I have denied what Jesus says. Don't make accusations and not back them up. I could easily say you're the one who is denying the teachings of Jesus, and I have backed that up on other threads with direct examples. Once again please back up your accusations with specifics, that would be much appreciated. I use the teachings of who God is from the OT and what He tells us from the OT to give understanding to the New. How exactly am I in error for that? Did the truths about God in the OT become lies when the NT was formed…..is that how you see it Nick? You see that I am equally wrong with BD because I use the Old Testament to give me understanding about the truths concerning who God is and His plan? Are you insane, or would you like to explain yourself a little more clearly as to what you meant?

Wow! Once again Jodi,

You find it easy to take a perspective from one testament and apply it to another testament, how is thyat any different than what I am doing? Remember this: Jews don't acknowledge Christianity and Christians don't want to acknowlege Islam but Islam accepts Christianity and Judaism and Christianity accepts Judaism.

No Christian here will condemn Jews and Jews don't accept Christ at all. Muslims accept Christ and everyone here wants to condemn them it is hypocrisy at its finest.

Unless you tell me that not one Jewish person will be saved for their lack of belief in Christ Jesus your entire validity is lost.

Every Muslim believes in Jesus as The Christ.

I have enjoyed many of your posts it really was disappointing to see a side of you that does not fit with your theology.

Nick and I don't agree all the time but his theology is fairly consistent. Please explain to me your problem with believers in PURE MONOTHEISM

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 15 2009,08:06)

Hi WJ, I know I can probably get a strait answer out of you, and I've been waiting for others to explain it. I am trying to wrap my brain around how exactly trinitarians view God. I may not agree with your view and think it is in error but I would like to at least understand it better. Please correct me where I am wrong. My guess is that even trinitarians see God a little differently as well, but at least you can give me your understanding of truth. Three separate persons make up the one true God.   There are not three God's put the three persons make one God. Is it your understanding though however, that each person that makes up God can be separately referred to as God in the bible? Are you following me with why I am asking this question? God makes up the three but separately they are not God, because otherwise that would make three Gods right? So in the bible every time we see God wouldn't that have to represent all three? How is Jesus fully God, when to be fully God takes all three? I keep hearing that Jesus was fully human and fully God. Is this meant as meaning at the SAME time, and if so how does that make sense? And again, if Jesus is fully God how can that be since God exists because of three separate persons? Could you please explain how the following fits in with your understanding? 1Co 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live. I would greatly appreciate it. Don't worry, I've matured and I wont call you ignorant or a liar, so please engage in my questions and I will be respectful. Thanks and Peace to you,   Jodi

Jodi,

How is it you are okay discussing polytheism and have shunned PURE MONOTHEISM?

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