Gross errors abound

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,06:36)

Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,02:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 13 2009,21:43) Hi TT, The prophets too should have been honoured by were murdered.[heb11] Nick, Where do the Scriptures say that all judgment had been committed to one of the prophets before Christ? And where do you find a atatement that a prophet before Christ was to be honored EVEN AS the Father is honored? These are fair questions. thinker Hi TT, So now you change tack and want to change the meaning of a word according to retrospect? First tell us if the prophets should have been HONOURED and why they met the same fate as the son of God. The parable of the vineyard compares all these servants who were sent and their fates.

Nick,
The Father committed ALL judgment to the Son for a specific reason. That ALL men should honor the Son EVEN AS they honor the Father. Let the record show that you evaded this point.

thinker

[KangarooJack]

Quote (Paladin @ July 14 2009,04:17)

Quote (thethinker @ July 14 2009,02:58) Paladin said: Quote How is Christ “all in all” when he is not “in all” to begin with? He is only in those who are in him. The Father is not “in all” either. So what have you proven? thinker Paul finished naming several categories of Christians, then observed Christ is all, as in “all of the above,” He is not just a Jew, nor just a scythian, etc, but is all of these, AND he is IN all of them. Paul also speaks of God, after receiving the kingdom from Jesus after the last enemy, death, is destroyed, and says 1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. It is NOT the same thing. God is all in all, Jesus is all (of the above,) and in all (of the above). You are equating apples and oranges and getting fruit salad and calling it “God.”.

The Scripture does not say that the Father is all in all now. God becomes all in all when Christ hands over the kingdom. Not before then. If a man hands over the family business to his son then that son is all in all as far as all employees are concerned. The Father would not be all in all again until that son hands the family business back to him.

thinker

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God.

How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him.

So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do.

Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his?

What does that say about you?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46)

Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you?

That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings.

I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false.

Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak!

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The voice of strangers that would see the one approved by God as half blind is unlikely to get much of a hearing here.

But desperate men will cling to straws.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,11:21)

Hi BD, The voice of strangers that would see the one approved by God as half blind is unlikely to get much of a hearing here. But desperate men will cling to straws.

I gave you the scripture and not only that I have experienced personally God leading me and I was blind to what He was doing but in the end it all became clear. Wasn't Abrahm blind to what God was doing when he was going to sacrifice his son?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The jails and mental hospitals are full of men who claim to be led by God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,11:26)

Hi BD, The jails and mental hospitals are full of men who claim to be led by God.

So be it, Jesus was said to have a demon. What would you have said if you were there?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
I think you should ask yourself such things.
Fantasy situations do not appeal to me.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak!

Hi BD:

I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (942767 @ July 13 2009,21:20)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD: I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty

I second that. It is a lie and denys the foundation of the Christian faith.

Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2:23

Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4:10

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Cor 2:2

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:9

And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1 Cor 8:11

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures“: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor 15:1-5

“And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins“. 1 Cor 15:17

This is only a few of the scriptures. Not to mention all the witnesses that saw him including the Angels that were at his tomb that witnessed to his ressurection

BD, let it be a witness to you that according to the scriptures, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose again from the dead, and if you do not believe this, then according to the scriptures you are yet in your sins!

WJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ July 14 2009,13:20)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD: I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true. Love in Christ, Marty

When did you read that?
What did the Holy Spirit tell you or how was it shown to you?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2009,17:14)

Quote (942767 @ July 13 2009,21:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD: I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty I second that. It is a lie and denys the foundation of the Christian faith. Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2:23 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4:10 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Cor 2:2 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:9 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1 Cor 8:11 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures“: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor 15:1-5 “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins“. 1 Cor 15:17 This is only a few of the scriptures. Not to mention all the witnesses that saw him including the Angels that were at his tomb that witnessed to his ressurection BD, let it be a witness to you that according to the scriptures, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose again from the dead, and if you do not believe this, then according to the scriptures you are yet in your sins! WJ

WJ,

Was Christ buried?

According to the scriptures is the best way to say it.

According to the scriptures Christ was not buried.

According to the scriptures Christ was hung from a tree

According to the scriptures Christ was nailed to a cross

According to the scriptures ALL the disciples forsook him and fled (therefore no witnessess)

Matthew 27 (King James Version)

32And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.

33And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,

John 19:16-18 (King James Version)

16Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.

17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:

Did he carry his own cross or did someone else carry it? Where is the certainty?

Make no mistake I know you feel these things occured but the Quran says the fact of the matter

(1) That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak!

Hi BD,

I think it is safe to say, more and more people on this forum are probably not going to bother engaging you.

Ever since I saw you give authority to the Quran I've pretty much passed over most of your posts. Now that I know this bit about you and your view of Jesus I will probably pass over your posts all the more.

There are some people on this forum who have little common ground when it comes to agreeing on the scriptures, I guess we have you to thank for reminding us of what we do have in common.

Thanks for reminding us that Christians at least share ONE extreme significant belief, and that is, that Jesus DID DIE, AND HE DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, AND HE HAS PAID FOR OUR SINS!

You have every right BD to share your belief and follow what you know to be true, however you should remember you're on a Christian forum that is about debating the bible. Maybe you should stick to the 'Other Writings category', when discussing the Quran. I think that would be respectful, just my thoughts.

Peace to you, Jodi

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,02:06)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2009,17:14) Quote (942767 @ July 13 2009,21:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD: I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty I second that. It is a lie and denys the foundation of the Christian faith. Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2:23 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4:10 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Cor 2:2 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:9 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1 Cor 8:11 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures“: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor 15:1-5 “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins“. 1 Cor 15:17 This is only a few of the scriptures. Not to mention all the witnesses that saw him including the Angels that were at his tomb that witnessed to his ressurection BD, let it be a witness to you that according to the scriptures, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose again from the dead, and if you do not believe this, then according to the scriptures you are yet in your sins! WJ WJ, Was Christ buried? According to the scriptures is the best way to say it. According to the scriptures Christ was not buried. According to the scriptures Christ was hung from a tree According to the scriptures Christ was nailed to a cross According to the scriptures ALL the disciples forsook him and fled (therefore no witnessess) Matthew 27 (King James Version) 32And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. 33And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, John 19:16-18 (King James Version) 16Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. 17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: Did he carry his own cross or did someone else carry it? Where is the certainty? Make no mistake I know you feel these things occured but the Quran says the fact of the matter (1) That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

Hi BD

Thank you for verifying what we have been saying!

You are calling Paul a liar! And you are not telling the truth yourself for John and Mary the mother of Jesus was at the cross and saw him give up the ghost!

The qoran is a lie and has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity!

WJ

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 14 2009,18:10)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD, I think it is safe to say, more and more people on this forum are probably not going to bother engaging you. Ever since I saw you give authority to the Quran I've pretty much passed over most of your posts. Now that I know this bit about you and your view of Jesus I will probably pass over your posts all the more. There are some people on this forum who have little common ground when it comes to agreeing on the scriptures, I guess we have you to thank for reminding us of what we do have in common. Thanks for reminding us that Christians at least share ONE extreme significant belief, and that is, that Jesus DID DIE, AND HE DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, AND HE HAS PAID FOR OUR SINS! You have every right BD to share your belief and follow what you know to be true, however you should remember you're on a Christian forum that is about debating the bible. Maybe you should stick to the 'Other Writings category', when discussing the Quran. I think that would be respectful, just my thoughts. Peace to you,      Jodi

I could be wrong but I considered that this site is called Heaven.net

Why is it that if I am wrong can you not debate, weren't you called to preach?

When I show you scriptures from the Bible you don't believe them and if you disregard what I quote from the Quran why is it you Quote from all sorts of sources to no offense to anyone.

Jodi you have denied that there are demons a direct contradiction of the scriptures and the words of Jesus. The Quran says what the bible says that there are demons and that there is an actual Satan that is your avowed enemy and perhaps that is why you are trying to cause me to discontinue.

You feel perfectly comfortable denying Satan's existence and preaching Universal Salvation which is also unbiblical and then you of all people want to reject me, what happened to your policy of Universal Salvation? See how easy it is to find hypocrisy.

I believe in the existence of Satan I know he wants you to not believe in him and assume all else will be fine.

39,000 denominations and you are offended by 1 person sharing the scriptures with you.

You don't believe in the trinity and you think that me asserting PURE MONOTHEISM is somehow worse than believing in a 3 in 1 God a violation of the very root of Christianity

Others are saying that Jesus is God but you think all those things are acceptable because they say “Christ died for their sins” If you are right, Why does the Holy Bible state “Not everyone who says Lord, Lord shall be saved”?

You are a universal salvationist and you are in direct contrast to the words of Jesus, He said that not everyone will be saved.

You probably should work out your own salvation with fear and trembling instead of outright condemning what you have no knowledge of.

God Bless you anyway!

[Jodi Lee]

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,19:03)

Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 14 2009,18:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD, I think it is safe to say, more and more people on this forum are probably not going to bother engaging you. Ever since I saw you give authority to the Quran I've pretty much passed over most of your posts. Now that I know this bit about you and your view of Jesus I will probably pass over your posts all the more. There are some people on this forum who have little common ground when it comes to agreeing on the scriptures, I guess we have you to thank for reminding us of what we do have in common. Thanks for reminding us that Christians at least share ONE extreme significant belief, and that is, that Jesus DID DIE, AND HE DID RISE FROM THE DEAD, AND HE HAS PAID FOR OUR SINS! You have every right BD to share your belief and follow what you know to be true, however you should remember you're on a Christian forum that is about debating the bible. Maybe you should stick to the 'Other Writings category', when discussing the Quran. I think that would be respectful, just my thoughts. Peace to you,      Jodi I could be wrong but I considered that this site is called Heaven.net Why is it that if I am wrong can you not debate, weren't you called to preach? When I show you scriptures from the Bible you don't believe them and if you disregard what I quote from the Quran why is it you Quote from all sorts of sources to no offense to anyone. Jodi you have denied that there are demons a direct contradiction of the scriptures and the words of Jesus. The Quran says what the bible says that there are demons and that there is an actual Satan that is your avowed enemy and perhaps that is why you are trying to cause me to discontinue. You feel perfectly comfortable denying Satan's existence and preaching Universal Salvation which is also unbiblical and then you of all people want to reject me, what happened to your policy of Universal Salvation? See how easy it is to find hypocrisy. I believe in the existence of Satan I know he wants you to not believe in him and assume all else will be fine. 39,000 denominations and you are offended by 1 person sharing the scriptures with you. You don't believe in the trinity and you think that me asserting PURE MONOTHEISM is somehow worse than believing in a 3 in 1 God a violation of the very root of Christianity Others are saying that Jesus is God but you think all those things are acceptable because they say “Christ died for their sins” If you are right, Why does the Holy Bible state “Not everyone who says Lord, Lord shall be saved”? You are a universal salvationist and you are in direct contrast to the words of Jesus, He said that not everyone will be saved. You probably should work out your own salvation with fear and trembling instead of outright condemning what you have no knowledge of. God Bless you anyway!

Hi BD,

I don't deny that Satan exists I define the adversary differently then you do. There is a HUGE difference there.

I don't deny that evil spirit's exist, I defined them differently from how you do. There is a HUGE difference there.

I as well don't deny the lake of fire and judgment I interpret it differently then you do. Once again, HUGE difference.

I DENY the way YOU and others INTERPRET scripture, that is clearly different then denying the scriptures themselves.

Peace to you, Jodi

[NickHassan]

Hi Jodi,
But you do not accept the words of Jesus about Satan and his dominion preferring to try to work from the OT so how does that differ from BD's problem?
It seems you are equally wrong.

[NickHassan]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2009,18:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,02:06) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2009,17:14) Quote (942767 @ July 13 2009,21:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD: I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty I second that. It is a lie and denys the foundation of the Christian faith. Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2:23 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4:10 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Cor 2:2 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:9 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1 Cor 8:11 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures“: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor 15:1-5 “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins“. 1 Cor 15:17 This is only a few of the scriptures. Not to mention all the witnesses that saw him including the Angels that were at his tomb that witnessed to his ressurection BD, let it be a witness to you that according to the scriptures, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose again from the dead, and if you do not believe this, then according to the scriptures you are yet in your sins! WJ WJ, Was Christ buried? According to the scriptures is the best way to say it. According to the scriptures Christ was not buried. According to the scriptures Christ was hung from a tree According to the scriptures Christ was nailed to a cross According to the scriptures ALL the disciples forsook him and fled (therefore no witnessess) Matthew 27 (King James Version) 32And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. 33And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, John 19:16-18 (King James Version) 16Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. 17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: Did he carry his own cross or did someone else carry it? Where is the certainty? Make no mistake I know you feel these things occured but the Quran says the fact of the matter (1) That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) Hi BD Thank you for verifying what we have been saying! You are calling Paul a liar! And you are not telling the truth yourself for John and Mary the mother of Jesus was at the cross and saw him give up the ghost! The qoran is a lie and has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity! WJ

Hi WJ,
You put words in the mouth of God like trinity and yet think you can judge those who honestly offer their additions?

Is that any sort of a position of strength?

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,14:53)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2009,18:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,02:06) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2009,17:14) Quote (942767 @ July 13 2009,21:20) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 14 2009,11:19) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 14 2009,08:46) Hi BD, The fate of men does depend on how they relate to the messenger bringing the Words of God. How they react to him shows what they feel about the One Who sent Him. So Jesus never spoke of any trinity but carnal men do. Do you prefer the words of carnal men to his? What does that say about you? That's what I keep telling you but you think its okay to reject God's messenger, It would not be evil for you to say I will stay with what I have now, what is evil is saying that you know for sure that something is false because you have not understood or followed the teachings. I will tell everyone here for a fact and let God be a witness between me and you. God did not tell you that the Quran was false. Who here will tell me that the Holy Spirit has told them that the Quran is not the word of God? Let them put this testimony in writing so on the last day they cannot deny their lie against The Holy Spirit. So speak! Hi BD: I can tell you that the Holy Spirit has shown me that the teaching in Quran that states that Jesus was not crucified, and did not die but was taken up into heaven without these things happening to him is not true. Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty I second that. It is a lie and denys the foundation of the Christian faith. Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Acts 2:23 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4:10 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 1 Cor 2:2 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:9 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 1 Cor 8:11 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures“: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1 Cor 15:1-5 “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins“. 1 Cor 15:17 This is only a few of the scriptures. Not to mention all the witnesses that saw him including the Angels that were at his tomb that witnessed to his ressurection BD, let it be a witness to you that according to the scriptures, Jesus was crucified, buried, and rose again from the dead, and if you do not believe this, then according to the scriptures you are yet in your sins! WJ WJ, Was Christ buried? According to the scriptures is the best way to say it. According to the scriptures Christ was not buried. According to the scriptures Christ was hung from a tree According to the scriptures Christ was nailed to a cross According to the scriptures ALL the disciples forsook him and fled (therefore no witnessess) Matthew 27 (King James Version) 32And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. 33And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull, John 19:16-18 (King James Version) 16Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. 17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: Did he carry his own cross or did someone else carry it? Where is the certainty? Make no mistake I know you feel these things occured but the Quran says the fact of the matter (1) That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-   (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) Hi BD Thank you for verifying what we have been saying! You are calling Paul a liar! And you are not telling the truth yourself for John and Mary the mother of Jesus was at the cross and saw him give up the ghost! The qoran is a lie and has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity! WJ Hi WJ, You put words in the mouth of God like trinity and yet think you can judge those who honestly offer their additions? Is that any sort of a position of strength?

Yes of course NH, you are the only right one here on this board.

Forgive me for not following your doctrine NH! Please be merciful to me when you come again with Jesus and sit on his right hand!

WJ

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