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Quote how much time you think is there between those two events ; top and bottom Hi Pierre,
I'm not sure, let's look at it.
Quote Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had doThe dead brought to judgement,
Quote Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fireAnyone not accepted thrown into the lake of fire.
Those spared because their names were written in the book of life depends if they knew Christ. For no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he goes through the Son. So the ones who existed in the Millenium who passed, will be raised spirit, and the ones who are accepted that did not know Christ, in my opinion must have to go through him, like everyone else. So it is possible that they may have to learn before they are changed? but then that would make it 3 resurrections, and there are only two mentioned, so that is hazy.but what I do know is this….
When Gog is destroyed.Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the hand staffs, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests, for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord.So the weapons are going to be burned, but the fuel will not come from wood from the field or the forest? Where does it come from then? I don't know.
Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it the Valley of Hamon-gog,
People existing. Gog and his multitude (magog) buried, and there is a stench there in the valley of Hamon-gog.
Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
Ezekiel 39:13 yea, all the people of the land shall bury them, and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon Gog.Men passing through the land that remain on the face of the earth will be hired to bury the dead and cleanse it. After the end of seven months they shall search? Search for what?
So in this order.
Satan released from prison.
Gog and Magog attack the holy camp.
Gog and Magog destroyed. Buried.
7 years of burning all their weapons,
7 months of burying the dead.we know that there is a time gap here after Gog is killed. And that time Gap is 7 years. Something is happening during this 7 year gap. and we know that Gog and Magog was destroyed for attacking the holy camp. So the camp (House of Israel) will be burying them for 7 months, and hiring men to do bury them, whilst burning their weapons for 7 years without wood for fuel. The earth is obviously not melted yet. So 2nd resurrection must occur after this, then the earth melted.
Unless there are other clues in the prophesies that I have missed, I cannot tell any more than this.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,15:58) Compass points.
Meaning all parts of the Earth.
Oh yes, I actually did know about that interpretation. And it is certainly a likely contender.If the whole Earth is Gog and Magog, then why not one name?
New Zealand was called Aotearoa by the Maori (native people) of New Zealand.
So I could say New Zealand or Aotearoa. Is that how you view Gog and Magog?
Quote (t8 @ Jan. 11 2013,19:49) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,15:58) Compass points.
Meaning all parts of the Earth.
Oh yes, I actually did know about that interpretation. And it is certainly a likely contender.If the whole Earth is Gog and Magog, then why not one name?
New Zealand was called Aotearoa by the Maori (native people) of New Zealand.
So I could say New Zealand or Aotearoa. Is that how you view Gog and Magog?
t8 yes, much like “the great city” (Jerusalem) is also called “Sodom and Egypt” (Rev 11:8)Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 07 2013,20:47) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 07 2013,16:47) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 07 2013,01:49) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,19:25)
Hi 2besee,Quote YOU three believe that the dead will be raised as Spirits, not flesh…. Is that correct?
The resurrected (the saved) will be resurrected as spirit creatures just like the angels are…yes.
All others stay flesh over the 1000 year reign.
After the kingdom gets handed back to the Father all flesh will end.Quote So you are having difficulty understanding my view, and others views. We are saying that your views are causing you to mix prophecies that should not be mixed into one big distortion.
Quote Do you believe that Jesus was raised from the dead as a Spirit only or flesh? 2besee, spirit can alter into flesh at will.
Jesus changed His physical appearance at will so those disciples did not even recognise Him on the road to Galilee.
Mark 16:12 >After that, He appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Can flesh do that?
Can you will your appearance to change?Flesh & blood can not inherit immortality only spirit can.
So if Jesus were flesh, He would not be immortal.
Not only that, if He were flesh still, then He would be lesser than the angels, for as Hebrews states, spirit is greater than flesh.
You are demoting The Lord to a mere man.Quote For the record, I believe that Jesus was raised as flesh in a new Body. As so it will be for all of the resurrected. If He were raised in a new flesh body as you believe, then why did He have holes in His hands & an open wound in His side when appearing to the Apostles?
Quote That is what Scripture says. Here is what scripture says 2besee:
John 4:24>God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God…is…a….SPIRIT.
Not flesh, but a Spirit.Cheers.
You say that Jesus was not raised in the flesh, This is what Jesus said:“SEE MY HANDS AND MY FEET, THAT IT IS I MYSELF. TOUCH ME, AND SEE.
FOR A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES AS YOU SEE THAT I HAVE“I have nothing further to say.
2besee,“Flesh & blood can NOT inherit the kingdom of God”
“God is A Spirit”
This is what scripture declares.
Therefore, one has to discern the reasons why Jesus showed Himself as flesh, because as the above states, God is A SPIRIT.
There is NO getting around it.Jesus showed Himself as flesh so the Apostles would not think He were some ghost or evil spirit.
Cast your thoughts back to when He walked on water…what happened when those Apostles saw Him?
They were PETRIFIED because they thought He was a ghost!!
PETRIFIED!!Ghosts are by folklore, spirits of the DEAD.
And in those days, SUPERSTITION was EVERYWHERE.
Jesus showed Himself WITH His wounds & in the flesh so the Apostles knew without doubt that it WAS Jesus they were seeing & no ghost or evil spirit imitating Him.Also, & most importantly, IF Jesus showed Himself in His true Spirit form and those gathered SAW HIS FACE….what do you think would have happened to those gathered?
Remember the examples in the Old Testament?
Something for you to at least consider.
Cheers.
Quote Therefore, one has to discern the reasons why Jesus showed Himself as flesh, because as the above states, God is A SPIRIT.
There is NO getting around it.Devolution,
You say that Jesus could not have been resurrected “flesh” because God is “spirit”.Yes, “God is Spirit”. Jesus is not God the Father though is He.
Jesus is “The firstborn over all of creation”. He is the new creation – the firstborn from the dead. He was raised in the flesh. He is in heaven now. He will come again, soon.God the Father is spirit. Jesus though is changed. just like those who meet Him in the “clouds” and the “air” will be changed to be like Him (Do you know what this means?)
Jesus said “SEE MY HANDS AND MY FEET, THAT IT IS I MYSELF. TOUCH ME, AND SEE.
FOR A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONES AS YOU SEE THAT I HAVE”Do you think that Jesus was just a Ghost and was tricking them? So He was no different than a “Ghost”?
Does truth 'trick and deceive'?
Quote Cast your thoughts back to when He walked on water…what happened when those Apostles saw Him?
They were PETRIFIED because they thought He was a ghost!!
PETRIFIED!!So Jesus was a Ghost (spirit) because He walked on water?
Peter did the same thing, with faith.Anyway, this is way off topic.
God bless.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,13:24) Quote (t8 @ Jan. 11 2013,19:49) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,15:58) Compass points.
Meaning all parts of the Earth.
Oh yes, I actually did know about that interpretation. And it is certainly a likely contender.If the whole Earth is Gog and Magog, then why not one name?
New Zealand was called Aotearoa by the Maori (native people) of New Zealand.
So I could say New Zealand or Aotearoa. Is that how you view Gog and Magog?
t8 yes, much like “the great city” (Jerusalem) is also called “Sodom and Egypt” (Rev 11:8)
2bee
Rev 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.was Christ crucified IN JERUSALEM
OR OUTSIDE OF THE CITY IF HE WAS CRUCIFIED OUTSIDE OF JERUSALEM THEN REVELATION 11;8 DOES NOT MEAN SODOM AND EGYPT RIGHT
this would only be your interpretation right
2besee,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
2BesseGog is the name of the man Satan chooses to lead. Magog is the name of his armies combined from all over the earth. We don't know what Gog means, but God has given him this name. Gog and Magog will be buried in the Valley of Hamon-gog.
This is not to be confused with the false prophet, as the false prophet and his armies, will be buried at the Valley of Hinnom.
Two different events. 1000 years apart. This is the place where the Israelites sacrificed their sons to other gods. This is the exact place where all the dead will be buried that fight against the Lord at his coming.Jeremiah 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.
Jeremiah 19:4 Because they have forsaken me and have estranged this place, and have burned incence in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Juadah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
Jeremiah 19:5 they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it neither came it into my mind.
Jeremiah 19:6 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that THIS PLACE SHALL NO MORE BE CALLED TOPHET, NOR THE VALLEY OF THE SON OF HINNOM, BUT THE VALLEY OF SLAUGHTER.
Jeremiah 19:7 And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcasses will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
Jeremiah 19:8 And I will make this city desolate, and a hissing, every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof.
Jeremiah 19:9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Jeremiah 19:15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 11 2013,11:18) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2013,11:20) Quote how much time you think is there between those two events ; top and bottom Hi Pierre,
I'm not sure, let's look at it.
Quote Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had doThe dead brought to judgement,
Quote Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire, This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fireAnyone not accepted thrown into the lake of fire.
Those spared because their names were written in the book of life depends if they knew Christ. For no man can enter the kingdom of God unless he goes through the Son. So the ones who existed in the Millenium who passed, will be raised spirit, and the ones who are accepted that did not know Christ, in my opinion must have to go through him, like everyone else. So it is possible that they may have to learn before they are changed? but then that would make it 3 resurrections, and there are only two mentioned, so that is hazy.but what I do know is this….
When Gog is destroyed.Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the hand staffs, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests, for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord.So the weapons are going to be burned, but the fuel will not come from wood from the field or the forest? Where does it come from then? I don't know.
Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it the Valley of Hamon-gog,
People existing. Gog and his multitude (magog) buried, and there is a stench there in the valley of Hamon-gog.
Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
Ezekiel 39:13 yea, all the people of the land shall bury them, and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon Gog.Men passing through the land that remain on the face of the earth will be hired to bury the dead and cleanse it. After the end of seven months they shall search? Search for what?
So in this order.
Satan released from prison.
Gog and Magog attack the holy camp.
Gog and Magog destroyed. Buried.
7 years of burning all their weapons,
7 months of burying the dead.we know that there is a time gap here after Gog is killed. And that time Gap is 7 years. Something is happening during this 7 year gap. and we know that Gog and Magog was destroyed for attacking the holy camp. So the camp (House of Israel) will be burying them for 7 months, and hiring men to do bury them, whilst burning their weapons for 7 years without wood for fuel. The earth is obviously not melted yet. So 2nd resurrection must occur after this, then the earth melted.
Unless there are other clues in the prophesies that I have missed, I cannot tell any more than this.
j42Quote So in this order.
Satan released from prison.
Gog and Magog attack the holy camp.
Gog and Magog destroyed. Buried.
7 years of burning all their weapons,
7 months of burying the dead.we know that there is a time gap here after Gog is killed. And that time Gap is 7 years. Something is happening during this 7 year gap. and we know that Gog and Magog was destroyed for attacking the holy camp. So the camp (House of Israel) will be burying them for 7 months, and hiring men to do bury them, whilst burning their weapons for 7 years without wood for fuel. The earth is obviously not melted yet. So 2nd resurrection must occur after this, then the earth melted.
Unless there are other clues in the prophesies that I have missed, I cannot tell any more than this.
first the first resurrection -1000 years- second resurrection- released of Satan -time allowed for testing and be deceived or not -this time here could be 7 years(?or 40) -then they try to invade the camp of the saints and so are judge and destroyed -Satan taken and destroyed and dead also, the cleaning of the dead another 7 years -then the heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven among men
but all those who are part of the first resurrection are no going to heaven ,thy are not the first fruits the 144k are ,
and NO their is no third resurrection
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2013,00:13) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,13:12) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,12:04) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,11:38) Hi Wakeup, Then what (say you) is salvation?
If not being saved from death?God bless
Ed J
EdJ.YES,but the reward is coming. rev22:12. I come quickly and my reward is with me.
So dont claim the reward before his coming.
The second coming that is.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Jesus gives us the reward of the HolySpirit when
he comes to those looking for him a second time. (ref. John 14:23)
(a personal “Pentecost” is available to all believers)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.You can refuse to see if you want;its your choice.
Receiving the Holy spirit is not the reward.
The Holy spirit is the helper and comforter.
To help us to get to our destiny.The reward is the resurrection in a glorified body.NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT.
wakeup.
Open you eyes, wakeup!“If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:01) Open you eyes, wakeup! “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:01) Open you eyes, wakeup! “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Wakeup, are you suggesting you get no light until the resurrection?Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,20:45) just like those who meet Him in the “clouds” and the “air” will be changed to be like Him (Do you know what this means?)
1Thess 4:17
'Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.'It possibly has a deeper meaning.
For those that know, they will know.“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows.”
But it is not something to be discussed, here.
Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 11 2013,00:42) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,01:34) Hi Devolution, When I was baptized with God's Holy Spirit. (see Romans 14:17)
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the
Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)God bless
Ed J
Ed,Hebrews 9:28 >So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
(1) How on earth did you see Christ the 2nd time when you received the Holy Spirit?
(2A) You certainly didn't “see” Him when you were in unbelief, because one can not “see” Christ, metaphorically speaking, (2B)without first having that Holy Spirit to understand Christ.
(3) So when we receive the Holy Spirit, we get to “see” Christ for the FIRST TIME, metaphorically speaking.
(4) So then, you have only “seen” Him ONCE…metaphorically speaking.
(5) So like I said, WHEN did Christ appear to you the 2nd time?
Hi Devolution,1) See John 14:23
2A) Correct (2B) Correct again
3) No, “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,
but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.” (1 Cor 15:46)
“Henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” (2 Cor 5:16)
“And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.” (John 16:22)4) See point #3.
5) Without sin unto salvation at my personal “Pentecost”.
“behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Jan. 11 2013,21:48) 2besee,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
2BesseGog is the name of the man Satan chooses to lead. Magog is the name of his armies combined from all over the earth. We don't know what Gog means, but God has given him this name. Gog and Magog will be buried in the Valley of Hamon-gog.
This is not to be confused with the false prophet, as the false prophet and his armies, will be buried at the Valley of Hinnom.
Two different events. 1000 years apart. This is the place where the Israelites sacrificed their sons to other gods. This is the exact place where all the dead will be buried that fight against the Lord at his coming.Jeremiah 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.
Jeremiah 19:4 Because they have forsaken me and have estranged this place, and have burned incence in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Juadah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
Jeremiah 19:5 they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it neither came it into my mind.
Jeremiah 19:6 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that THIS PLACE SHALL NO MORE BE CALLED TOPHET, NOR THE VALLEY OF THE SON OF HINNOM, BUT THE VALLEY OF SLAUGHTER.
Jeremiah 19:7 And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcasses will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
Jeremiah 19:8 And I will make this city desolate, and a hissing, every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof.
Jeremiah 19:9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.
Jeremiah 19:15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.
Journey, did you read about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70Ad?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2013,10:30) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,07:13) The reward is the resurrection in a glorified body.
Philippians 3
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.Ed,
The first bolded part explains that, at the time Paul wrote these words, the believers were STILL awaiting the second coming of Jesus Christ – even though many of them, including Paul himself, had already received the Holy Spirit. This should tell you that receiving the Holy Spirit is NOT the second coming of Christ.
The second bolded part explains the reward that Paul was STILL awaiting – even though he had already received the Holy Spirit. That should tell you that the Holy Spirit, while being a wonderful gift from God, is NOT the reward we await. The reward, instead, is that our lowly earthly bodies be transformed into beautiful, glorious, incorruptable spirit bodies, like the one Jesus now has.
peace and love to you brother,
mike
Hi Mike,Phil 3:20-21 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Savior, the Lord Jesus
Christ: 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body,
according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.This is talking about the resurrection, not Jesus second coming
(which occurred in spirit form on “Pentecost”).“If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in
you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken
your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Rom 8:11)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 11 2013,11:53) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 10 2013,17:36) Mike, I agree with you, on this point.
You SHOULD agree with me on all points, 2B, because I'm never wrong.I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
So you're an Atheist again?Quote (2besee @ Jan. 11 2013,22:18) Hi Ed, you are quoting yourself and I was quoting myself, lol.
Sometimes that is necessary.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:01) Open you eyes, wakeup! “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Are you suggesting you get no light until the resurrection?
EDJ.The spirit that is in you *SHALL*quicken you in the resurrection.
If there is no light in you ;you will not be resurrected.
So,first you need to have that light in you.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 11 2013,23:14) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:03) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 11 2013,22:01) Open you eyes, wakeup! “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.” (Romans 8:11)Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Wakeup, are you suggesting you get no light until the resurrection?
EDJ.The spirit that is in you *SHALL*quicken you in the resurrection.
If there is no light in you ;you will not be resurrected.
So,first you need to have that light in you.
wakeup.
…And the meaning of this verse… ?Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
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