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Gog & Magog comes AFTER Christs 2nd coming…AFTER the literal 1000 year reign.
We have known this for years but now is the time to hold you accountable to your errors.So…
Who says otherwise?
Prove me wrong IF you can, prove what I'm saying below is WRONG.The TRUE answer to Gog & Magog PROVES we were right all along that WITHOUT DOUBT, there is FLESH SURVIVING AFTER THE 2nd coming and our accusers were WRONG ALL ALONG and we have suffered accusations FALSELY…
So IF you can prove me wrong, then our understanding is WRONG and WE have to start again.
But if you CAN'T, and believe me, you CAN NOT, then YOUR understanding is WRONG, and YOU need to START AGAIN.Because this TRUTH affects WHOLE DOCTRINES.
This effects your WHOLE concept of the millennium and the PROPHECIES you say you understand when you condemn us as false, deceivers, blind, liars etc etc etc
You can not keep DODGING the bullet of truth because in the END, it WILL hit you…& when it finally does, it WILL hit you hard.
This TRUTH exposes who has prophetic understanding & who doesn't concerning the order of things to come.
This is no boast, but a resigned bluntness.So you guys ARE all WRONG.
And ALL the churches are WRONG too…your SOURCES from where your influences derived.
Meaning, THEY need to start again too.
(Even you professed non church goers have been influenced by THEIR doctrines which you HAVE heard & which HAS influenced you because you AGREE with THEM)So since I already KNOW you CAN NOT prove us wrong on Gog & Magog & there IS indeed FLESH surviving AFTER the 2nd coming, then YOU ALL need to acknowledge your ERROR & re look at your doctrines & WHOEVER or WHEREVER you got them from…because your sources, like YOU, were WRONG too…
Which means you need to START AGAIN and maybe a good idea to think twice about accusing those who DO understand.That includes ALL those so called wise professors over the centuries & today's professors, the DOCTRINE makers & defenders…ALL WRONG.
And since THEY (churches, professors etc) have been teaching ERROR all these centuries..what SHOULD that tell you?Are you BRAVE and HONORABLE enough to FACE the cold hard truth of the matter and ADMIT you were listening to FALSE PROPHETS and NOT to the true prophets.
And since they are wrong on such a simple prophesy, HOW on earth do you keep listening to them on other matters, even the deeper things?
It makes no logical sense, unless of course you are not protecting the TRUTH, but instead are protecting your OWN truth.
And that is BAD.So…Gog & Magog…flesh surviving AFTER the 2nd coming & into the future…
PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU CAN.
anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this ,
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Hi Devolution,
Jesus returned (in spirit form) on “Pentecost”. (Link)
It is a moot point to suggest there will be no flesh afterwards.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgDevolution,
Who said that there would be 'no flesh surviving' after Jesus' second coming? Not me.
It seems to me that you (three) falsely accuse US, instead, by saying that we have said things that we never said, nor mean.As for where our doctrines were learned, I never learned my doctrines off any man. I was shown in vision when I asked God a question.
Visions are powerful things, and are not to be taken away.
Do you doubt that God can allow peoplee to survive the fiery flames?
Do you not read the story in Daniel about the three men who survived the heat.Daniel: “But I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”
Matthew: “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”PLEASE, Devolution, Wakeup and Journey, if you are going to say that people have said something or meant something that they did not say or mean, do not make false statements.
In only the past three days, three false beliefs have been attributed to me, which weren't true, by each of you.
I like to discuss, okay.
God bless.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2013,15:52) anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this ,
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Why all the laughing Pierre?We should be laughing at you, but we don't.
Quote anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this , Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Yet you STILL have no answer for us!!
Quote anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this Yet your inability to EXPLAIN Gog & Magog tells us that you don't understand.(unless, by now, you have read Journeys explanation)
YOU Pierre, YOU said that NO flesh will survive AFTER Christs 2nd coming…no current UNBELIEVERS will survive is what YOU said.
So WHAT are you saying now?
SHOW ME where Gog & Magog then fits into your Amillenialist viewpoint IF you can.
Because if you can't I WILL prove WHEN Gog & Magog takes place…and when I DO, your whole Amillennialist doctrine becomes exposed as the apostasy it truly is.
Make me eat my words if you are so sure you understand Pierre, THEN I will laugh along with you.
Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 06 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2013,15:52) anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this ,
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Why all the laughing Pierre?We should be laughing at you, but we don't.
Quote anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this , Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Yet you STILL have no answer for us!!
Quote anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this Yet your inability to EXPLAIN Gog & Magog tells us that you don't understand.(unless, by now, you have read Journeys explanation)
YOU Pierre, YOU said that NO flesh will survive AFTER Christs 2nd coming…no current UNBELIEVERS will survive is what YOU said.
So WHAT are you saying now?
SHOW ME where Gog & Magog then fits into your Amillenialist viewpoint IF you can.
Because if you can't I WILL prove WHEN Gog & Magog takes place…and when I DO, your whole Amillennialist doctrine becomes exposed as the apostasy it truly is.
Make me eat my words if you are so sure you understand Pierre, THEN I will laugh along with you.
devoQuote YOU Pierre, YOU said that NO flesh will survive AFTER Christs 2nd coming…no current UNBELIEVERS will survive is what YOU said. show me were I say this ;my quote in full ;please
you assume many things ,so let first see if you can produce what I supposed to have said
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2013,19:48) 2Besee. You are still dodging my questions.
And why can the others join in,and proof us wrong.wakeup.
Wakeup, I thank you for the opportunity
, I like to discuss scriptures, when I have the time and I don't have that for the next week, unfortunately. Here is the thing though. And to Devo too..
Do you say that God does not have the right to CHOOSE who will survive and who will not? Does God not have the right to select for himself. Are you the selector? Is MAN the selectors who tell God how to do things?
God made this earth, it is not ours, it is God's. God knows things about us and about every single person who has ever existed – things that even we do not know about ourselves or others. If we go on to become evil in the future, God knows this, we don't.
God knows everything before it happens much like we know things before they happen because we know that every action will have a reaction.
If I hit somebody hard enough, they will be hurt.
That is a fact.
A simple fact.
God though is not man,
We are stupid,
God is NOT.If YOU create a computer program or a website, do you not have the right to remove whatever you want to from it – throw it in the recycle bin,
All that I am saying is that the meek will inherit the earth – that is what it says. We are not being meek by being 'know it alls' are we, and that includes me.
I am not pretending to know every little detail. That would be foolish.
There are however some things that i am sure of due to revelations that I had, and NOTHING will change me regarding those…
though there are things that I do not know for sure, many things..i know that when Jesus returns, fire will heat and destroy everything SO FAST that the dead won't know what even happened it will be so fast, and the ones who survive will be looking around them, in no doubt at all that the end has come, the day spoken about in the bible.
None of this fits into your doctrine.
God is the author. Be quiet and listen to what GOD has to say.
In my very brief encounter with the Adventist Church, I heard that there would be a false Jesus coming, a replica of the true Jesus. I believe them, my spirit believes them,
Knowing HOW to tell our Jesus from the duplicate is important.
Pray and ask, Wakeup, Journey and Devolution, and maybe you will see too.
As I said, the whole world will WONDER after the Beast.
However, Jesus said – if they say 'lo here or lo there – do not go out'
For as lightning shines from the east to the west so will be the coming of the son of man –There will be no need to 'wonder'.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2013,19:48) You are still dodging my questions.
Hi Wakeup.
Not dodging, just don't have the time right now.
Keep a note on all of the questions for me, and I will look at them one by one in a week, okay.
Thanks.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,16:58) Devolution, Who said that there would be 'no flesh surviving' after Jesus' second coming? Not me.
It seems to me that you (three) falsely accuse US, instead, by saying that we have said things that we never said, nor mean.As for where our doctrines were learned, I never learned my doctrines off any man. I was shown in vision when I asked God a question.
Visions are powerful things, and are not to be taken away.
Do you doubt that God can allow peoplee to survive the fiery flames?
Do you not read the story in Daniel about the three men who survived the heat.Daniel: “But I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”
Matthew: “Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”PLEASE, Devolution, Wakeup and Journey, if you are going to say that people have said something or meant something that they did not say or mean, do not make false statements.
In only the past three days, three false beliefs have been attributed to me, which weren't true, by each of you.
I like to discuss, okay.
God bless.
2besee,Don't you remember this?
Quote Chapter 20 (Gog and Magog) appears to be a repeat of Revelations 19 (A recap). The following has already happened:
Revelations 20
[1] Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain.
[2] And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
[3] and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while.
[4]Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[5] The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
[6] Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years.And now we are up to Gog and Magog; and the Day of the Lord – the return of Jesus
[7] And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison
[8] and will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
[9] And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them,
[10] and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11]Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
[12] And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
[14] Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
[15] and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.And in the next chapters is the ushering in of the eternal Kingdom.
See?
I do NOT falsely accuse you.You might not have expressed it personally in the above, but it IS there in your doctrine.
Are you telling me you don't SEE that only possible OUTCOME in what you have laid out above?So by that same explanation, that doctrine, you DO believe ALL will be changed into spirit at the 2nd coming which means NO MORE UNBELIEVERS SURVIVING & NO MORE FLESH.
Again…WHY?
BECAUSE…because in the above you have assigned the second judgment prophecies within the 2nd coming prophecies…thus you HAVE cancelled out ALL flesh surviving after Christs return whether you realised it or not.
I tell you, it's that Amillennialist error that has tricked you into this mistake.BECAUSE…AFTER the 2nd judgment, ALL will be changed into Spirit and SEE the Father FACE to FACE…flesh can NOT see the Fathers face & LIVE…ONLY Spirit can.
Because the Father ONLY comes down among US ALL, AFTER the 1000 years reign remember??
But you have put that period within the 2nd coming period…
So again, I do NOT falsely accuse.Do you see now why I included you?
IF you DO believe FLESH survives AFTER the 2nd coming, then you need to throw away your above explanation and start again…it is contradictory to you otherwise…just like the Amillennialism it spawned from…3rd century ALEXANDRIAN heresy adopted by CATHOLICS and now also more & more by PENTACOSTALS (born againer's) & Lutherans.
Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 06 2013,21:09) See?
I do NOT falsely accuse you.You might not have expressed it personally in the above, but it IS there in your doctrine.
Are you telling me you don't SEE that only possible OUTCOME in what you have laid out above?So by that same explanation, that doctrine, you DO believe ALL will be changed into spirit at the 2nd coming which means NO MORE UNBELIEVERS SURVIVING & NO MORE FLESH.
Again…WHY?
BECAUSE…because in the above you have assigned the second judgment prophecies within the 2nd coming prophecies…thus you HAVE cancelled out ALL flesh surviving after Christs return whether you realised it or not.
I tell you, it's that Amillennialist error that has tricked you into this mistake.BECAUSE…AFTER the 2nd judgment, ALL will be changed into Spirit and SEE the Father FACE to FACE…flesh can NOT see the Fathers face & LIVE…ONLY Spirit can.
Because the Father ONLY comes down among US ALL, AFTER the 1000 years reign remember??
But you have put that period within the 2nd coming period…
So again, I do NOT falsely accuse.Do you see now why I included you?
IF you DO believe FLESH survives AFTER the 2nd coming, then you need to throw away your above explanation and start again…it is contradictory to you otherwise…just like the Amillennialism it spawned from…3rd century ALEXANDRIAN heresy adopted by CATHOLICS and now also more & more by PENTACOSTALS (born againer's) & Lutherans.
I know what you are doing now.YOU three believe that the dead will be raised as Spirits, not flesh….
Is that correct?
So you are having difficulty understanding my view, and others views.
Do you believe that Jesus was raised from the dead as a Spirit only or flesh?
——————–
For the record, I believe that Jesus was raised as flesh in a new Body. As so it will be for all of the resurrected.
That is what Scripture says.
Oh see here I go again…. I need to stop posting, lol.
Bye for now, back soon.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2013,13:30) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 06 2013,13:24) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2013,15:52) anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this ,
Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Why all the laughing Pierre?We should be laughing at you, but we don't.
Quote anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this , Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.Yet you STILL have no answer for us!!
Quote anyone that read's the bible Revelation can understand this Yet your inability to EXPLAIN Gog & Magog tells us that you don't understand.(unless, by now, you have read Journeys explanation)
YOU Pierre, YOU said that NO flesh will survive AFTER Christs 2nd coming…no current UNBELIEVERS will survive is what YOU said.
So WHAT are you saying now?
SHOW ME where Gog & Magog then fits into your Amillenialist viewpoint IF you can.
Because if you can't I WILL prove WHEN Gog & Magog takes place…and when I DO, your whole Amillennialist doctrine becomes exposed as the apostasy it truly is.
Make me eat my words if you are so sure you understand Pierre, THEN I will laugh along with you.
devoQuote YOU Pierre, YOU said that NO flesh will survive AFTER Christs 2nd coming…no current UNBELIEVERS will survive is what YOU said. show me were I say this ;my quote in full ;please
you assume many things ,so let first see if you can produce what I supposed to have said
devoI think you got me confused with 2Bee
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 06 2013,18:58) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 06 2013,19:48) 2Besee. You are still dodging my questions.
And why can the others join in,and proof us wrong.wakeup.
Wakeup, I thank you for the opportunity, I like to discuss scriptures, when I have the time and I don't have that for the next week, unfortunately. Here is the thing though. And to Devo too..
Do you say that God does not have the right to CHOOSE who will survive and who will not? Does God not have the right to select for himself. Are you the selector? Is MAN the selectors who tell God how to do things?
God made this earth, it is not ours, it is God's. God knows things about us and about every single person who has ever existed – things that even we do not know about ourselves or others. If we go on to become evil in the future, God knows this, we don't.
God knows everything before it happens much like we know things before they happen because we know that every action will have a reaction.
If I hit somebody hard enough, they will be hurt.
That is a fact.
A simple fact.
God though is not man,
We are stupid,
God is NOT.If YOU create a computer program or a website, do you not have the right to remove whatever you want to from it – throw it in the recycle bin,
All that I am saying is that the meek will inherit the earth – that is what it says. We are not being meek by being 'know it alls' are we, and that includes me.
I am not pretending to know every little detail. That would be foolish.
There are however some things that i am sure of due to revelations that I had, and NOTHING will change me regarding those…
though there are things that I do not know for sure, many things..i know that when Jesus returns, fire will heat and destroy everything SO FAST that the dead won't know what even happened it will be so fast, and the ones who survive will be looking around them, in no doubt at all that the end has come, the day spoken about in the bible.
None of this fits into your doctrine.
God is the author. Be quiet and listen to what GOD has to say.
In my very brief encounter with the Adventist Church, I heard that there would be a false Jesus coming, a replica of the true Jesus. I believe them, my spirit believes them,
Knowing HOW to tell our Jesus from the duplicate is important.
Pray and ask, Wakeup, Journey and Devolution, and maybe you will see too.
2besee,Quote Do you say that God does not have the right to CHOOSE who will survive and who will not? No, we wouldn't think something so foolish.
Quote Does God not have the right to select for himself. That is what we have ALWAYS said…that God HAS the right to choose howsoever He pleases.
Quote Are you the selector? See above.
Quote Is MAN the selectors who tell God how to do things? See above.
Quote God made this earth, it is not ours, it is God's. God knows things about us and about every single person who has ever existed – things that even we do not know about ourselves or others. If we go on to become evil in the future, God knows this, we don't. Yes, true to what we also say.
Quote God knows everything before it happens much like we know things before they happen because we know that every action will have a reaction.
If I hit somebody hard enough, they will be hurt.
That is a fact.
A simple fact.Again, see above.
Quote All that I am saying is that the meek will inherit the earth – that is what it says. We are not being meek by being 'know it alls' are we, and that includes me. Why is it, when there are those who DO know, they are accused of being PROUD?
If you knew us, you would KNOW we are the complete OPPOSITE of proud.
Please do not confuse knowledge with pride.
Because KNOWLEDGE is what the MEEK receive whilst waiting for their Lord to come.
If we are strict at times, it is because of all the accusations of being false teachers…sometimes harshness is appropriate.Quote I am not pretending to know every little detail. That would be foolish. Why?
Don't you believe God shows those who hear Him his SECRET & DEEP things & HIDDEN mysteries?
Should we assume they do not exist just because “you” might not be blessed with such knowledge?
Whose fault would that be?
Those who ARE blessed?
Or…yours?Quote There are however some things that i am sure of due to revelations that I had, and NOTHING will change me regarding those…
though there are things that I do not know for sure, many things..Then how on earth will you correct your mistakes when you learn more of the picture?
What? Even that extra, “unknown to you” knowledge “to come” wouldn't budge you is what you're saying!!
Think about that bro!!
We must all adapt our opinions no matter how beloved to us they may be…adapt our understanding to the truth whenever it shines on our understanding yes?Quote i know that when Jesus returns, fire will heat and destroy everything SO FAST that the dead won't know what even happened it will be so fast, and the ones who survive will be looking around them, in no doubt at al
l that the end has come, the day spoken about in the bible.Scripture please.
Thanks 2besee.
2besee,Jan. wrote:[/quote]
Hi 2besee,Quote YOU three believe that the dead will be raised as Spirits, not flesh…. Is that correct?
The resurrected (the saved) will be resurrected as spirit creatures just like the angels are…yes.
All others stay flesh over the 1000 year reign.
After the kingdom gets handed back to the Father all flesh will end.Quote So you are having difficulty understanding my view, and others views. We are saying that your views are causing you to mix prophecies that should not be mixed into one big distortion.
Quote Do you believe that Jesus was raised from the dead as a Spirit only or flesh? 2besee, spirit can alter into flesh at will.
Jesus changed His physical appearance at will so those disciples did not even recognise Him on the road to Galilee.
Mark 16:12 >After that, He appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
Can flesh do that?
Can you will your appearance to change?Flesh & blood can not inherit immortality only spirit can.
So if Jesus were flesh, He would not be immortal.
Not only that, if He were flesh still, then He would be lesser than the angels, for as Hebrews states, spirit is greater than flesh.
You are demoting The Lord to a mere man.Quote For the record, I believe that Jesus was raised as flesh in a new Body. As so it will be for all of the resurrected. If He were raised in a new flesh body as you believe, then why did He have holes in His hands & an open wound in His side when appearing to the Apostles?
Quote That is what Scripture says. Here is what scripture says 2besee:
John 4:24>God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
God…is…a….SPIRIT.
Not flesh, but a Spirit.Cheers.
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