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Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,20:35)
To me Jesus probably did exist (I give it 60% likely). He was a preacher who had a man-god mythology invented for him after death by a bunch of raving religious zealots.Would Jesus have appreciated all the words put in his mouth by those deluded scriptwriters? I doubt it somehow.
Should I take it then that of all the gods you could promote, you choose the NT one?
Stuart
Haha Stuart, I do understand some of that,It's like Chinease Whispers, it starts with one thing, goes on and goes on, eventually, it's completly different than the first story,
I don't know the truth, but faith is believing even if you just don't know, you know, God created the world, let's love and show gratitude to the maker, despite how delusional others may be on the subject !
Scripture…..people can make it say whatever they want. I believe the only reason for this is because people read it the wrong way.
Quote Should I take it then that of all the gods you could promote, you choose the NT one? Jesus 'promoted' YHWH, but it is only through Jesus that we can get to the Father, because Jesus spoke the truth, and was what we should follow,
Stu,
Listen to Shimmer. She is the voice of the innocent crying out in the wilderness. “Truth, Truth, all for Truth”, she calls – but no one hears her – yet even if they did, would they believe her?
She speak volume, so much profundity in a little one – yet Scriptures says, 'Out of Bethlehem [the smallest town in 'Judea'?] shall come the greatest man'
Stu,
What is it about “[le sort de] Uzzah” that you love so much it is the only thing that you can talk about?
Why did God kill Uzzah? You write about it as if you know why and think god was wrong but you don't say it here. Please tell me more about this. it is fascinating?
Also, what do you mean that you don't know any God that Science denies : If you don't deny “God” then then you believe “God”, ipso facto!
Stu, you know, I knew you had it in you _ was I wrong – When was JustAskin wrong about you?
Stu,
Having “looked into” and “touched on” the subject of Uzzah – what is it that you cannot fathom about his demise.
God gave clear and explicit instructions as to the handling of the Ark – and, even though 'attempting to help' as you say, it was still a violation of God's explicit instructions.
I am flummoxed as to how you can use that as an example of anything except that when the ULTIMATE ONE gives an ULTIMATE command it MUST be obeyed…. Agghhh…. Stu, give me ONE, or ten, examples of WHY this must be so!
A field Commander deploys his troops in a battle – but one group hesitates or runs away or refuse to engage – are they not court-marshalled?
Your work boss tells you to do something: Fix an electrical fault but DON'T touch it with wet hands – use the Anti-Electric Arc(!!!) gloves.
A cable suddenly comes loose – and you grab it without the gloves…poof!!
Was not Uzzah and others meant to use the poles attached to the Ark when handling it? See the analogy?Stu, Peas… sorry, 'Please', come to JustAskin with more profound arguments – I don't know who you been dealing with but step up a gear with JustAskin – and justAskin ain't just asking.
Ha ha that is funny JustAskin, well said,
I was looking back on an old thread, it was mainly Stuart, Bod, Ed, me, kejonn, POK and others joined in, some of it was so funny, not quite as serious as it gets up in 'the other part'
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,20:27) Haha Stuart, I do understand some of that, It's like Chinease Whispers, it starts with one thing, goes on and goes on, eventually, it's completly different than the first story,
I don't know the truth, but faith is believing even if you just don't know, you know, God created the world, let's love and show gratitude to the maker, despite how delusional others may be on the subject !
Scripture…..people can make it say whatever they want. I believe the only reason for this is because people read it the wrong way.
Quote Should I take it then that of all the gods you could promote, you choose the NT one? Jesus 'promoted' YHWH, but it is only through Jesus that we can get to the Father, because Jesus spoke the truth, and was what we should follow,
How should one read the results of decades of chinese whispers? Does chinese whispers give rise to deeper truths or does it just give nonsense?You can't really know what Jesus said, but whatever Jesus said has to be The TruthTM, because the bible says Jesus said he spoke the truth.
May I say that is a complete nonsense. It is lunatic enought to make serious decisions about one's own life from that, but how would anyone have the gall to tell others what they should do on that basis?
Stuart
JustBoastin
Quote Having “looked into” and “touched on” the subject of Uzzah – what is it that you cannot fathom about his demise. God gave clear and explicit instructions as to the handling of the Ark – and, even though 'attempting to help' as you say, it was still a violation of God's explicit instructions.
I am flummoxed as to how you can use that as an example of anything except that when the ULTIMATE ONE gives an ULTIMATE command it MUST be obeyed…. Agghhh…. Stu, give me ONE, or ten, examples of WHY this must be so!
A field Commander deploys his troops in a battle – but one group hesitates or runs away or refuse to engage – are they not court-marshalled?
Your work boss tells you to do something: Fix an electrical fault but DON'T touch it with wet hands – use the Anti-Electric Arc(!!!) gloves.
A cable suddenly comes loose – and you grab it without the gloves…poof!!
Was not Uzzah and others meant to use the poles attached to the Ark when handling it? See the analogy?
Where would there EVER be a situation where a superior could kill a subordinate for not following instructions? Rather than there being 10 situations where it would not be right, there are millions of potential situations like that. It would be at the very least a manslaughter charge for the superior.I cannot determine what universal ethical principle is demonstrated by this god killing someone who had genuine selfless intent to serve. If a commander killed a subordinate for refusing instructions it would be the commander who would be court martialed. If an electrician's boss told his employee to work on a live line at all, it would be the boss who would be culpable.
All I can take from the story of Uzzah is this god is petulant, venegeful, unforgiving of genuine intent and therefore unworthy of worship on principle. This god does not seem to be able to take responsibility: it has allegedly created a species of hominid to whom taking the initiative and helping others in emergency situations comes naturally, and then it goes and punishes them for following that instinct.
Of course it is mythology; no god has ever killed anyone, and poor Uzzah died from something else altogether, if he was not mytical himself. The bible attributes possibly up to 24,000,000 deaths to the violent god of the OT. In reality it was other humans, or disease, or famine that actually did the killing, and the figure is really more like 2,300,000 because all those supposedly killed in the flood actually weren't because there was no global flood.
See how christianity takes the simple accidents and other vicissitudes of existence on this planet and turns them into a nasty conspiracy of divine vengeance? Why would anyone adopt that as a worldview?
Quote Stu, Peas… sorry, 'Please', come to JustAskin with more profound arguments – I don't know who you been dealing with but step up a gear with JustAskin – and justAskin ain't just asking.
Oh please, are you two years old?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,23:16) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,20:27) Haha Stuart, I do understand some of that, It's like Chinease Whispers, it starts with one thing, goes on and goes on, eventually, it's completly different than the first story,
I don't know the truth, but faith is believing even if you just don't know, you know, God created the world, let's love and show gratitude to the maker, despite how delusional others may be on the subject !
Scripture…..people can make it say whatever they want. I believe the only reason for this is because people read it the wrong way.
Quote Should I take it then that of all the gods you could promote, you choose the NT one? Jesus 'promoted' YHWH, but it is only through Jesus that we can get to the Father, because Jesus spoke the truth, and was what we should follow,
How should one read the results of decades of chinese whispers? Does chinese whispers give rise to deeper truths or does it just give nonsense?You can't really know what Jesus said, but whatever Jesus said has to be The TruthTM, because the bible says Jesus said he spoke the truth.
May I say that is a complete nonsense. It is lunatic enought to make serious decisions about one's own life from that, but how would anyone have the gall to tell others what they should do on that basis?
Stuart
Stuart, the truth speaks to a person, as the person prays, they know it's truth, as they read it, they can feel it, well that's how it works for me, many can read it, many dont get it, or, they get out of it what they want to,hope that makes sense, midnight here, had a long day,
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,23:01) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,23:16) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,20:27) Haha Stuart, I do understand some of that, It's like Chinease Whispers, it starts with one thing, goes on and goes on, eventually, it's completly different than the first story,
I don't know the truth, but faith is believing even if you just don't know, you know, God created the world, let's love and show gratitude to the maker, despite how delusional others may be on the subject !
Scripture…..people can make it say whatever they want. I believe the only reason for this is because people read it the wrong way.
Quote Should I take it then that of all the gods you could promote, you choose the NT one? Jesus 'promoted' YHWH, but it is only through Jesus that we can get to the Father, because Jesus spoke the truth, and was what we should follow,
How should one read the results of decades of chinese whispers? Does chinese whispers give rise to deeper truths or does it just give nonsense?You can't really know what Jesus said, but whatever Jesus said has to be The TruthTM, because the bible says Jesus said he spoke the truth.
May I say that is a complete nonsense. It is lunatic enought to make serious decisions about one's own life from that, but how would anyone have the gall to tell others what they should do on that basis?
Stuart
Stuart, the truth speaks to a person, as the person prays, they know it's truth, as they read it, they can feel it, well that's how it works for me, many can read it, many dont get it, or, they get out of it what they want to,hope that makes sense, midnight here, had a long day,
Not sure I'd be happy with such a confused view of the world, but fair play to you!Stuart
Stu pot,
Yes, two years old – the younger the better… because it demonstrates that you have not yet even been born yet you are already dead!
It is plain to see that your refute of the “Uzzah” points are not because you don't believe, but simply that you see the point but cannot be seen to accept the answers.
It is quite clear that an instruction by a Senior (or The Senior ) Person in an organisation given to a subordinate MUST be carried out or else that subordinate is in breach – and is subject to the punishment appropriate for the level of that subordinate and the level of insubordination.
Clearly, court-Marshalls are not carried out on the one giving the order against the one who refuse the subordinate act – peas stu, this is wayward nonsense and you expose your f[l]ailings – I thought you were better than this _ I was looking forward to a frank exchange with you but you have fallen at the first hurdle….
People here are laughing at you now – I feel bad for making it so for you – Did you see i told t8 you were “A God” – isn't that what WJ thought of himself before his Trinitarian wings were clipped and the great eagle fell to earth and ran around flapping his mighty wings and feverishly scratching out with his powerful talons at everyone who came near him for want of easing the pain in his bent beak.
By the way, despite disclaiming everything in Scriptures you seem to have a passion for poor ignorant “None God Commanded Holding” Uzzah (Was he a relative – is that why you so bitter and twisted against God? – get over it – it was for your benefit!) Foolishness it not a defence against strictness else we would all be in deadly peril from our own stupidity – oh, yeah, We already are!!!
The rest of your writing is just the way that Roo went when he realise he was beaten – went into melt down and spouting any old nonesense to claim ridicule of the other. I'm sure your Science can easily prove the “Flood” so “bully to you!” you using your own belief against yourself.
Struth, stu, I really thought you were a tough cookey – but you just like a ginger-nut when put into hot tea – all that space – hey – think of that – It's mostly space in the biscuit and it soaks up the fluid bursting the molecules apart and crumbling swifter than a duck can say “Quack!”
JustAskin
Quote It is quite clear that an instruction by a Senior (or The Senior ) Person in an organisation given to a subordinate MUST be carried out or else that subordinate is in breach – and is subject to the punishment appropriate for the level of that subordinate and the level of insubordination.
You would make an excellent concentration camp guard.Quote Clearly, court-Marshalls are not carried out on the one giving the order against the one who refuse the subordinate act – peas stu, this is wayward nonsense and you expose your f[l]ailings – I thought you were better than this _ I was looking forward to a frank exchange with you but you have fallen at the first hurdle….
The court martials are carried out by the next up the chain of command against those who would kill the soldiers disobeying the orders. That is because it is illegal and immoral to kill ones subordinates. I suppose your god was good at setting rules but not good at following them.Quote People here are laughing at you now – I feel bad for making it so for you – Did you see i told t8 you were “A God” – isn't that what WJ thought of himself before his Trinitarian wings were clipped and the great eagle fell to earth and ran around flapping his mighty wings and feverishly scratching out with his powerful talons at everyone who came near him for want of easing the pain in his bent beak.
If you think being laughed at is an important consideration perhaps you should think on the words of Saul of Tarsus.Quote By the way, despite disclaiming everything in Scriptures you seem to have a passion for poor ignorant “None God Commanded Holding” Uzzah (Was he a relative – is that why you so bitter and twisted against God? – get over it – it was for your benefit!) Foolishness it not a defence against strictness else we would all be in deadly peril from our own stupidity – oh, yeah, We already are!!!
You are drunk again.Quote The rest of your writing is just the way that Roo went when he realise he was beaten – went into melt down and spouting any old nonesense to claim ridicule of the other. I'm sure your Science can easily prove the “Flood” so “bully to you!” you using your own belief against yourself.
You could be describing your own responses. No ethical argument, just ridicule. That’s fine by me, it shouts that you have no response.Quote Struth, stu, I really thought you were a tough cookey – but you just like a ginger-nut when put into hot tea – all that space – hey – think of that – It's mostly space in the biscuit and it soaks up the fluid bursting the molecules apart and crumbling swifter than a duck can say “Quack!”
Time to sober up again.Stuart
Stu,
Are you THICK as well as ignorant.Court Marshalls are not carried out by ONE person and certainly not by the Field marshall himself – What is a Field Marshall – show us your ignorance Stu.
Every time you post now you get smaller.
I see from your post that you can't actually answer the questions. – how sad for “a God” with his even Mightier “Science God” behind him?
Did you figure how long a piece of string is? Frayed Knot, eh!!!!!
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,01:19) Stu,
Are you THICK as well as ignorant.Court Marshalls are not carried out by ONE person and certainly not by the Field marshall himself – What is a Field Marshall – show us your ignorance Stu.
Every time you post now you get smaller.
I see from your post that you can't actually answer the questions. – how sad for “a God” with his even Mightier “Science God” behind him?
Did you figure how long a piece of string is? Frayed Knot, eh!!!!!
Have you sobered up yet?Stuart
Stu,
have you still not worked out how long a piece of string is – I would have thought that this would have been easy for a Science Geek like you – Please don't say you can't do it?
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,18:24) Stu, have you still not worked out how long a piece of string is – I would have thought that this would have been easy for a Science Geek like you – Please don't say you can't do it?
It is less than 10^-35 metres long.Stuart
Stu,
Sorry Stu, you take the booby prize.
can i ask – where did you figure that answer from?
here's another more explicit tip: Can you tie a not in it?
Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 12 2010,20:38) Stu, Sorry Stu, you take the booby prize.
can i ask – where did you figure that answer from?
here's another more explicit tip: Can you tie a not in it?
Cool, a booby prize. Let me guess, is it a first edition KJV?I know, it's a Dead Sea scroll. I guess I could put it on ebay. Some sucker would pay dollars for any useless tat!
Stuart
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