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Bod, you I used to like, now I dont, sorry, it takes time to get to know someone, especially on an internet forum such as this,
You are nice to people you dont know, awfull to people you do, and FAKE to anyone who agrees with you, because it soon changes the moment they dont.
Much like a door to door salesman,
Stu on the other hand, for an athiest, he has remained pretty much the same,
Stu even had manners, He apologised before he said I spoke a load of bullocks ! haha,
If Ed, Princess of the king, t8, JustAskin and others were to speak here with Stu, they may just get somewhere,
You however, you will hinder people rather than help,
Face up to it bod, I dont think you will though, HUMBLE thyself,
ok, describe humbleness for me,
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,12:14) Bod, you I used to like, now I dont, sorry, it takes time to get to know someone, especially on an internet forum such as this, You are nice to people you dont know, awfull to people you do, and FAKE to anyone who agrees with you, because it soon changes the moment they dont.
Much like a door to door salesman,
Stu on the other hand, for an athiest, he has remained pretty much the same,
Stu even had manners, He apologised before he said I spoke a load of bullocks ! haha,
If Ed, Princess of the king, t8, JustAskin and others were to speak here with Stu, they may just get somewhere,
You however, you will hinder people rather than help,
Face up to it bod, I dont think you will though, HUMBLE thyself,
ok, describe humbleness for me,
Which god do you think I should believe in, shimmer?I suppose if you are christian you have the Old Testament and New Testament gods to choose from.
Stuart
Stu,
I can answer for Shimmer, although she may also add her own response:
The God that gave you the opportunity to share in the life of His creation and is seeking for returns on his investment through Worship of, and Servitude to, Him. The one we call YHVH (Jehovah by translational interpretation) God.
The God that Science denies. The One that Science revelations can only barely touch upon and can only behold with super shaded darkers or else view through third party eyes (visual portals) like looking at the sun through specialised polarised glasses or refraction lenses.
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,10:06) You have presented much of this before, and there never was a “there must be a god because…” statement then. In fact you have previously asked me the “conclusional question” that goes with your “conclusional statement”, so all I can conclude myself is that you have new evidence to present. Perhaps we could cut to the chase: I get the idea that you are impressed by coincidence, what is your new evidence? Why must there be a god, Ed?
Stuart
Hi Stuart and BD,I do in fact have more evidence, but you cannot understand it's significance
unless you begin to grasp “The Big Picture”, and you can't grasp “The Big Picture”
without first understanding many of the individual pieces; a sort of ‘catch 22’ situation.Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” is best understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!Sincerely,
Ed JQuote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,10:06)
Why must there be a god, Ed?Stuart
Hi Stuart and BD,Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…
Why must a Doctor and a Hospital exist if you get into a car accident?
Or if a product gets broke, the manufacturer can fix any failing of said product,
because we all know: it is much harder to make a prototype than replicating a product.God's splendor is seen in life, because each and everyone of every kind is uniquely original in form,
thus YHVH has the capability to make each and every living prototype both workable and distinctively efficient!However, the sinful condition of man(s self induced condition) produces degenerative decay,
which will ultimately ends in death. Therefore the ONLY possible fix of this condition is to
remove that which has caused this degenerative condition(sin)! Therefore was a new
prototype Created which was not subjugated to this sinful disintegrating condition.This new prototype was consequently capable of reformulating the ending condition previously enthroned.
For these reasons my God (YHVH) has devised both Jesus entry into this matrix and his subsequent departure.YHVH's Signature
I can provide much circumstantial evidence of the “intelligent designer”!
My God MUST certainly exist: because there is no other viable explanation!“There is an intelligence originating outside of time that can now
be mathematically linked to the Christian Bible and even labeled… “GOD”!“Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (JustAskin @ Sep. 11 2010,12:45) Stu, I can answer for Shimmer, although she may also add her own response:
The God that gave you the opportunity to share in the life of His creation and is seeking for returns on his investment through Worship of, and Servitude to, Him. The one we call YHVH (Jehovah by translational interpretation) God.
The God that Science denies. The One that Science revelations can only barely touch upon and can only behold with super shaded darkers or else view through third party eyes (visual portals) like looking at the sun through specialised polarised glasses or refraction lenses.
I have never heard of any god that science denies. Science deals in what can be observed, and gods cannot be observed.This god then, would it be the one that killed Uzzah in a petulant rage, when Uzzah was only trying to help, and killed some young people by setting a bear on them, or is it the god that tells us not to judge others lest we be judged?
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,13:31) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,10:06) You have presented much of this before, and there never was a “there must be a god because…” statement then. In fact you have previously asked me the “conclusional question” that goes with your “conclusional statement”, so all I can conclude myself is that you have new evidence to present. Perhaps we could cut to the chase: I get the idea that you are impressed by coincidence, what is your new evidence? Why must there be a god, Ed?
Stuart
Hi Stuart and BD,I do in fact have more evidence, but you cannot understand it's significance
unless you begin to grasp “The Big Picture”, and you can't grasp “The Big Picture”
without first understanding many of the individual pieces; a sort of ‘catch 22’ situation.Most people understand The Bible with the understanding of a man. (Isaiah 55:7-11)
“The Bible” is best understood in much the same way “Optics” are understood.
What I mean is: “The Bible” must be understood as “a whole”, Gen. to Rev.But how is this done? Let us use “Optics” as a comparative example; OK?
The closer you look at something, the less that can be seen in the field of view.
And likewise, the focus of detail is lost with the greater field of view. I hope you are
getting all this? This is quite a conundrum, as you can only read one Bible verse at a time.Consider what it would take to make a map without the advent of aerial photography?
First you must understand each and every section of terrain. And then fit all sections
of terrain by scale into their respective positions. Scale is imperative to the whole.
But in order to fit all the sections by scale into the whole, “The Big Picture” has
to be clearly understood in the mapmakers mind; then all the pieces will fit!When beginners start to read The Scriptures they don’t understand what
“God” wants them to, because of what the ‘systems of religion’ taught them.
If they have been baptized with The “HolySpirit” and are open to His teachings,
then they will be like a skilled mapmaker understanding the terrain of God’s Word!Sincerely,
Ed J
No need to patronise me Ed.Why must there be a god?
Stuart
Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,13:32) I can provide much circumstantial evidence of the “intelligent designer”!
My God MUST certainly exist: because there is no other viable explanation!
Go on then. There must be a god because…?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,13:48) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,13:32) I can provide much circumstantial evidence of the “intelligent designer”!
My God MUST certainly exist: because there is no other viable explanation!
Go on then. There must be a god because…?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Number 63 (YHVH)
OK Stuart, we will see how much (circumstantial evidence) you can actually grasp…
Through the extensive use of [theomatic encryptions = 63×4], great and mighty things
of GOD are now being revealed, greatly increasing the knowledge of truth. (Jeremiah 33:3)The 33 heaven 55 is 28 my 38 throne 80 = 117 x 2
Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool…
God's signature
יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
God The Father=117 (Representing God's Name and title GOD: יהוה האלהים)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's English Name: “Joshua”)
YHVH=63 (God's Name: יהוה transliterated into English)
HolySpirit=151 (“The word”: structure of “GOD” indwelling in us believers!)(63rd prime number)
Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God (ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63) created the heaven and the earth.
In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307 (63rd prime number)The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.
YHVH is God's Name (יהוה) translated into English; as the Hebrew lacks vowels.GOD’s most sacred Holy Name [יהוה] was given to us directly from the Hebrew language.
Correctly translating Hebrew into other languages can be difficult however. Some basic
linguistical rules need to be considered when translating Hebrew texts. These include a lack
of spacing between words, as a general rule has no written vowels and the basic direction
in which Hebrew is written (opposite: from right to left). Hebrew word spacing is a modern
advent that distinguishes one word from the next, aiding both translators and multi-linguists
alike. Unwritten “implied” vowel sounds are a concern because, correct pronunciations of
Hebrew words are at risk. This point is made because the correct pronunciation was thought
to be lost, which led only to translators’ interpretations.GOD’s Name (יהוה) transliterates directly into English as YHVH because the Hebrew alphabet
lacks vowels. Hebrew has No [W] sound, No [J] sound and the symbol ש is pronounced “Sh”.[יהוה] GOD’s Name [י] Yod [ה] Ha [ו] Vav [ה] Hey is pronounced YÄ-hä-vā & [יה] YÄ
The identity of יהוה=26 is “GOD”=26 spoken as YÄ-hä-vā: where ä sounds like
that of the word “ah” and the other ā sounds like the vowel in the word “hay”.“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Ed, you appear unable to answer the question.
Please complete the following: “There must be a god because…”
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,15:47) Ed, you appear unable to answer the question. Please complete the following: “There must be a god because…”
Stuart
Hi Stuart,A conclusional declaration is made at the end
of a presentation, not at it's beginning.
Quit letting Satan influence you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,16:35) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,15:47) Ed, you appear unable to answer the question. Please complete the following: “There must be a god because…”
Stuart
Hi Stuart,A conclusional declaration is made at the end
of a presentation, not at it's beginning.
Quit letting Satan influence you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry, but the presentation starts with “There must be a god because…”.You have never stated that in your previous posts on this subject, so why should we think there is reason to wait around for you this time?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,16:52) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,16:35) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,15:47) Ed, you appear unable to answer the question. Please complete the following: “There must be a god because…”
Stuart
Hi Stuart,A conclusional declaration is made at the end
of a presentation, not at it's beginning.
Quit letting Satan influence you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry, but the presentation starts with “There must be a god because…”.You have never stated that in your previous posts on this subject, so why should we think there is reason to wait around for you this time?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Conclusions are based on evidence, not suppositions!
What presentations are you accustomed to, fictional ones?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,16:52) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,16:35) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,15:47) Ed, you appear unable to answer the question. Please complete the following: “There must be a god because…”
Stuart
Hi Stuart,A conclusional declaration is made at the end
of a presentation, not at it's beginning.
Quit letting Satan influence you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry, but the presentation starts with “There must be a god because…”.You have never stated that in your previous posts on this subject, so why should we think there is reason to wait around for you this time?
Stuart
Once again I second the motion: There must be a God because….Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,12:14) Bod, you I used to like, now I dont, sorry, it takes time to get to know someone, especially on an internet forum such as this, You are nice to people you dont know, awfull to people you do, and FAKE to anyone who agrees with you, because it soon changes the moment they dont.
Much like a door to door salesman,
Stu on the other hand, for an athiest, he has remained pretty much the same,
Stu even had manners, He apologised before he said I spoke a load of bullocks ! haha,
If Ed, Princess of the king, t8, JustAskin and others were to speak here with Stu, they may just get somewhere,
You however, you will hinder people rather than help,
Face up to it bod, I dont think you will though, HUMBLE thyself,
ok, describe humbleness for me,
I still love you
You don't have to always get upset because you believe attention is not being given to you. You should already be secure that I care about you and your family but if not let me say again “I love you”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2010,17:23) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,16:52) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2010,16:35) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,15:47) Ed, you appear unable to answer the question. Please complete the following: “There must be a god because…”
Stuart
Hi Stuart,A conclusional declaration is made at the end
of a presentation, not at it's beginning.
Quit letting Satan influence you.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Sorry, but the presentation starts with “There must be a god because…”.You have never stated that in your previous posts on this subject, so why should we think there is reason to wait around for you this time?
Stuart
Once again I second the motion: There must be a God because….
Hi BD,This thread is not mob rule.
If you want to make such a statement, go ahead!
You have a belief in a God; No?Ed J
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2010,18:26) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,12:14) Bod, you I used to like, now I dont, sorry, it takes time to get to know someone, especially on an internet forum such as this, You are nice to people you dont know, awfull to people you do, and FAKE to anyone who agrees with you, because it soon changes the moment they dont.
Much like a door to door salesman,
Stu on the other hand, for an athiest, he has remained pretty much the same,
Stu even had manners, He apologised before he said I spoke a load of bullocks ! haha,
If Ed, Princess of the king, t8, JustAskin and others were to speak here with Stu, they may just get somewhere,
You however, you will hinder people rather than help,
Face up to it bod, I dont think you will though, HUMBLE thyself,
ok, describe humbleness for me,
I still love you You don't have to always get upset because you believe attention is not being given to you. You should already be secure that I care about you and your family but if not let me say again “I love you”
Bod, I was NOT upset, I realised I was so busy posting and reading up in believers place, but I was forgetting there were more important things to do, you and Stuart and any others who still may post here, you are the ones who should be helped, so, I just had to let you know that (I didnt feel like I liked you anymore because you changed so much, haha) but anyway, thanks, you and yours too, we all have faults, but you make it sound like Im not being serious here, Bod, what is Humbleness ?Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,13:31) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,12:14) Bod, you I used to like, now I dont, sorry, it takes time to get to know someone, especially on an internet forum such as this, You are nice to people you dont know, awfull to people you do, and FAKE to anyone who agrees with you, because it soon changes the moment they dont.
Much like a door to door salesman,
Stu on the other hand, for an athiest, he has remained pretty much the same,
Stu even had manners, He apologised before he said I spoke a load of bullocks ! haha,
If Ed, Princess of the king, t8, JustAskin and others were to speak here with Stu, they may just get somewhere,
You however, you will hinder people rather than help,
Face up to it bod, I dont think you will though, HUMBLE thyself,
ok, describe humbleness for me,
Which god do you think I should believe in, shimmer?I suppose if you are christian you have the Old Testament and New Testament gods to choose from.
Stuart
Hi Stuart, I dont believe in 'Gods' as such, only in One God, YHWH,To me, Jesus was a Man (Though concieved of the Holy Spirit to the Virgin Mary) who became the Messiah when He was annointed at the river Jordan. He was risen from the dead, taken up by God, given a postion of power and authority because He overcame. He is exactly what YHWH wishes us to be like.
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,19:12) Quote (Stu @ Sep. 11 2010,13:31) Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 11 2010,12:14) Bod, you I used to like, now I dont, sorry, it takes time to get to know someone, especially on an internet forum such as this, You are nice to people you dont know, awfull to people you do, and FAKE to anyone who agrees with you, because it soon changes the moment they dont.
Much like a door to door salesman,
Stu on the other hand, for an athiest, he has remained pretty much the same,
Stu even had manners, He apologised before he said I spoke a load of bullocks ! haha,
If Ed, Princess of the king, t8, JustAskin and others were to speak here with Stu, they may just get somewhere,
You however, you will hinder people rather than help,
Face up to it bod, I dont think you will though, HUMBLE thyself,
ok, describe humbleness for me,
Which god do you think I should believe in, shimmer?I suppose if you are christian you have the Old Testament and New Testament gods to choose from.
Stuart
Hi Stuart, I dont believe in 'Gods' as such, only in One God, YHWH,To me, Jesus was a Man (Though concieved of the Holy Spirit to the Virgin Mary) who became the Messiah when He was annointed at the river Jordan. He was risen from the dead, taken up by God, given a postion of power and authority because He overcame. He is exactly what YHWH wishes us to be like.
To me Jesus probably did exist (I give it 60% likely). He was a preacher who had a man-god mythology invented for him after death by a bunch of raving religious zealots.Would Jesus have appreciated all the words put in his mouth by those deluded scriptwriters? I doubt it somehow.
Should I take it then that of all the gods you could promote, you choose the NT one?
Stuart
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