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Quote (Not3in1 @ April 22 2008,17:00) Oh! I just realized that I have been at Heavennet a little over a year now. Wow. Thanks HeavenNet! This place has meant a lot to me. The people have meant even more. Love to all and thanks to all,
Mandy
Thanks for all the good times Mandy
Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,15:40) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2008,20:12) Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,12:32) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2008,19:22) Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,11:59) Quote (942767 @ April 21 2008,18:46) Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,11:36) I apologize to those with weak stomachs 
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Yes, and I believe that you need to appologize to God. Again, as you seem to do quite regularly, you jump to conclusions without seeking God or doing some research on what is being said.You thought that the scripture stated that God killed the children, and now you are coming with these gross scenes.
I've done research on this passage. Even the Judaica Press translation, a Jewish work, translates it as “tore apart”. So no apology to God is necessary as I don't believe for one instant that God did this. It is a story of folk lore and legend, like the little boy who cried wolf.
If you had done the research, then why did you state that God had killed the children?
What part of “tore apart” equates to something less than death? I was posting pictures of bear mauling victims to show that your option was not much better.Quote I can see that your intent is not to come and seek understanding but to destroy, and so, I don't want to spend any more time sharing any of my understanding of the scriptures with you. Jesus warned me of the likes of people like you.
What, people who dislike a maligned view of a benevolent Creator? That is fine, I will stand up for my God so He will stop being misrepresented as brutal and malicious.Quote If you only believe that there is a God and don't have a personal relationship with Him you aren't qualified to teach me anything about Him. I know who he is and someday, one way or the other, you will also know.
I don't intend to respond to any more of your posts.
I understand. But I am afraid that you are defending bronze age Jewish priests, not God. God would not do many of the things written of Him in the OT. Sorry, but I cannot see my God as a bigger version of a brutal human tyrant.
kejonnWith all due respect. If your God is all powerful and all knowing and all loving, I ask you as I did Cato…
Wjy does God allow the rape and murder of little children today?
Before I answer that, I must ask the same of you. You are one who says God is about love AND justice, so He should be much quicker to make the rapists and murderers face the consequences. But I don't see it happening. So your god is every bit as absent as mine, correct?I guess the difference here is that your god will give rapists and murderers a free pass into heaven if they decide to accept Jesus?
Really, to me, its quite simple: God created us, and then has allowed us to decide how we will live this life. He is there to look upon for inspiration and advice, but He will not interfere. He is our counselor and comforter, but He is not someone who gives out favors to favorite children.
I'm pretty sure you have children right WJ? Do you love one more than the other because one is more obedient than the other? I hope not. If you do, you need to realize that we are all different and all grow at different paces. The child that seems unruly is worthy of as much love as the golden child.
That's my God: He loves unconditionally. He does not say He hates someone before they ever leave the womb (like Esau).
Quote Why does he not do something about all the hunger and disease in the world?
Why doesn't Yahweh?Quote Is it any less responsible or evil for a God who knows all things, and has all power, to create all things and then leave it to its own demise, while he sets in the heavens watching these little children suffer, and having the power to do something, yet he does nothing? Would that God be any less evil than the God of the OT?
You would be better off to be like Stu and not believe in a God.
Or we could accept the fact, that as the heavens are as high as the earth, so is his ways past our finding out.
JMHO.
Really WJ, how is Yahweh different from who I view as God? I can tell you. I don't say God kills people. I don't say God honors one people more than another. I don't say God has favorites. I don't say God requires death to atone for sin. I don't say God requires us to believe in an itinerant Jewish preacher from a backwoods Jewish town that didn't exist in the 1st century to evade hell. I don't say God has a humongous book filled with the acts of every person ever to live that He uses to judge us with at the end.My God loves me, and I can love Him. His love is truly unconditional because He does not care about my race, color, creed or religion. He sees me as He sees all of His creation. He loves me through my mistakes. He is truly the father that we wish we all had.
KejonnWow, are we getting defensive.
You didn’t answer the question my friend.
I am not trying to attack your God. I am being sincere, with a sincere question.
Let me see if I can give you another scenario.
Lets say you have a 5-year-old daughter.
You happen to walk in on your 19 year old Son raping your daughter.
Well you love your son and your daughter, so because of your love being equal for each, you just do nothing but stand by and watch?
If you have the power to stop it and don’t, wouldn’t that be irresponsible, evil, and even wicked?
How is it any more wicked for a God who has all power, all knowledge and is all loving who punishes sin and wickedness in the OT, than a God who sits in the heavens and does nothing when he has the power to stop a little child from being raped?
You are getting defensive over nothing. I was not trying to criticize your God against mine.
I am simply trying to say that maybe we do not even begin to understand the nature of our God.
Most of what we know about love for instance is based on our own human emotions.
The scriptures say…
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Eph 3:19
Seriously, call him Yahweh, Buddha, or the buggy man, It doesn’t matter to me.
But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that you criticize in the OT who punished men for sin.
After all kejonn, if he is all-powerful, then he could mercifully make the murderer just disappear without any pain, Right?
You see kejonn I have the same dilemma that you do.
However, I don’t claim that I fully understand the God that I serve. Nor do I have to make excuses or defend his actions.
We are like a grain of sand compared to the heavens, as far as how big God is.
He created it all, and he can do with it as he wishes. No man can accuse him and say to him why did you do this or that no more than the clay can say to the potter why did you make me like this?
Again…
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. ” Isaiah 55:9
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” Romans 11:33
Please tell me kejonn, how can an all-loving, all-powerful, and all-knowing God do nothing?
Could it be that there are some things we do not understand?
Could this also be true of the OT scriptures?
Blessings!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2008,17:48) But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that you criticize in the OT who punished men for sin.
Good points. A little too close to home for me, but good points.I also think you had a good point when you told Kevin that it would be better if he were like Stu and didn't believe in God at all. I think after this post, having read that God basically has killed his disobedient children, and then really does just stand by while children are raped and does nothing….I think I'll give atheism a go!
I'm too tired to think about all of this anymore. Heading to bed. Goodnight all.
MandyQuote (Not3in1 @ April 22 2008,17:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2008,17:48) But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that you criticize in the OT who punished men for sin.
Good points. A little too close to home for me, but good points.I also think you had a good point when you told Kevin that it would be better if he were like Stu and didn't believe in God at all. I think after this post, having read that God basically has killed his disobedient children, and then really does just stand by while children are raped and does nothing….I think I'll give atheism a go!
I'm too tired to think about all of this anymore. Heading to bed. Goodnight all.
Mandy
mandyI sincerely wish you the best.
Will be praying for you.
Good night!
Quote (david @ April 22 2008,18:13) Are you, as a parent, allowed to say to your child: “Do not do this” and yet, you do it yourself?
We've done all this before. Can you be bothered referencing the previous discussion, or shall we reinvent the wheel yet again?Stuart
God abhors those who take advantage of the weak and the defenseless. Many ancient nations that did not serve Jehovah practiced child sacrifice, but Jehovah said that this was ‘a thing that he had not commanded and that had not come up into his heart.’ (Jeremiah 7:31)
God warned his ancient people: “If you should afflict [the fatherless boy] at all, then if he cries out to me at all, I shall unfailingly hear his outcry; and my anger will indeed blaze.”—Exodus 22:22-24.
God’s concern for children is evident in the wise instructions he gives human parents. Children raised in a secure home are more likely to become mature, well-adjusted adults. Thus, our Creator instituted marriage, a lifelong arrangement whereby whereby “a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24) In the Bible, sexual relations are authorized only within marriage so that any resulting children can be cared for in a stable environment.—Hebrews 13:4.
. “Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah,” the Bible says, “the fruitage of the belly is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the sons of youth.” (Psalm 127:3, 4) Children are a precious gift from God, and he wants them to thrive. God exhorts parents to give their children good direction in life, just as an archer carefully aims when firing his arrows. “Fathers,” God’s Word instructs, “do not be irritating your children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah.”—Ephesians 6:4.
Another way Jehovah has shown his love for children is by teaching parents to protect their children from predators. In ancient Israel, even “the little ones” were commanded to listen to the Law, which included identification of proper and improper sexual conduct. (Deuteronomy 31:12; Leviticus 18:6-24) God wants parents to do everything they can to protect their children from anyone who might exploit or abuse them.
A Hope for Children
Jehovah’s abiding love for children was beautifully demonstrated by Jesus Christ, who perfectly mirrors his Father’s personality. (John 5:19) When his apostles, in a mistaken attempt to help Jesus, refused to let parents bring their small children to him, Jesus indignantly corrected them. . “Let the young children come to me,” ” he said. And then, “he took the children into his arms and began blessing them.” (Mark 10:13-16) Children are not insignificant in the eyes of either Jehovah God or his Son.In fact, through his appointed King, Jesus Christ, God will soon act to relieve children who are maltreated. The greedy exploiters and ruthless abusers of this world will be done away with forever. (Psalm 37:10, 11) As for the meek ones who seek Jehovah, the Bible says: “He will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”—Revelation 21:3, 4.
In the meantime, God shows his love right now by offering spiritual and emotional help for all who are exploited and abused. “The lost one I shall search for,” he promises, “and the dispersed one I shall bring back, and the broken one I shall bandage and the ailing one I shall strengthen.” (Ezekiel 34:16) Through his Word, his holy spirit, and the Christian congregation, Jehovah comforts children who are downtrodden and impoverished. What a joy to know that now, just as he will in the future, “the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, . . . comforts us in all our tribulation.”—2 Corinthians 1:3, 4.Quote We've done all this before. Can you be bothered referencing the previous discussion, or shall we reinvent the wheel yet again?
While I'm sure most adults would answer “yes” I remember you giving some long “if this” and “if that” answer.
For normal people, the answer is “yes.”Quote Are you, as a parent, allowed to say to your child: “Do not do this” and yet, you do it yourself? And yet, people on here keep holding the creator of the universe to the same standards they have, when they do not do this with their own children.
Another question for Mandy.
If there is a Creator, does he have the right to say what is right and wrong?
Quote (david @ April 22 2008,18:23) Quote We've done all this before. Can you be bothered referencing the previous discussion, or shall we reinvent the wheel yet again?
While I'm sure most adults would answer “yes” I remember you giving some long “if this” and “if that” answer.
For normal people, the answer is “yes.”Quote Are you, as a parent, allowed to say to your child: “Do not do this” and yet, you do it yourself? And yet, people on here keep holding the creator of the universe to the same standards they have, when they do not do this with their own children.
How is “yes” an answer to “Can you be bothered referencing the previous discussion, or shall we reinvent the wheel yet again?”?Are you a little short on sophistication here? Are black and white answers the best ones for you? Does that make you 'normal'?
The creator of the universe is a murderous bully with apparently very poor parenting skills. How do you rehabilitate such an incompetent (and criminal)?
Stuart
Quote (david @ April 22 2008,18:27) Another question for Mandy. If there is a Creator, does he have the right to say what is right and wrong?
Let me tread on Mandy's question and give an answer:No.
Stuart
So, you would be both unappreciative and foolish?
“If there is a Creator” as I asked, wouldn't he know us better than we know ourselves?
Obvious answer: “yes.”
Wouldn't he know how we could most benefit ourselves, by leading us down paths that weren't dead ends?
obvious answer: “yes.”
And, on a human level, wouldn't you want to seek his advise, not because he is the more wise of the two, but because he is your parent so to speak? Wouldn't you want to show some “natural affection” that the world is apparently lacking in these days? (2 tim 3:1-5)
Quote So, you would be both unappreciative and foolish?
Neither.Quote “If there is a Creator” as I asked, wouldn't he know us better than we know ourselves? Obvious answer: “yes.”
Scriptural answer: A murderous bully with poor parenting skills.
Quote Wouldn't he know how we could most benefit ourselves, by leading us down paths that weren't dead ends? obvious answer: “yes.”
He tried to drown evil, and when that didn;'t work he sent a martyr, who knew that would fail too. Not sure what you expect to learn from that.
Quote And, on a human level, wouldn't you want to seek his advise, not because he is the more wise of the two, but because he is your parent so to speak? Wouldn't you want to show some “natural affection” that the world is apparently lacking in these days? (2 tim 3:1-5) I want him tried for genocide and multiple homicide in the courts of Fantasyland.
Stuart
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2008,00:48) Kejonn Wow, are we getting defensive.
You didn’t answer the question my friend.
I am not trying to attack your God. I am being sincere, with a sincere question.
Let me see if I can give you another scenario.
Lets say you have a 5-year-old daughter.
You happen to walk in on your 19 year old Son raping your daughter.
Well you love your son and your daughter, so because of your love being equal for each, you just do nothing but stand by and watch?
Certainly not.Quote If you have the power to stop it and don’t, wouldn’t that be irresponsible, evil, and even wicked? How is it any more wicked for a God who has all power, all knowledge and is all loving who punishes sin and wickedness in the OT, than a God who sits in the heavens and does nothing when he has the power to stop a little child from being raped?
WJ, with all respect to you, minus the rape (I hope), why was it OK when Joshua and the rest killed all who stood in their way of the “Promised Land”, including women and children? What was their wickedness, being in the wrong place at the wrong time?Quote You are getting defensive over nothing. I was not trying to criticize your God against mine.
To be truthful, we really aren't talking about different Gods. We ARE talking about a totally different view of the same God.Quote I am simply trying to say that maybe we do not even begin to understand the nature of our God. Most of what we know about love for instance is based on our own human emotions.
The scriptures say…
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Eph 3:19
Seriously, call him Yahweh, Buddha, or the buggy man, It doesn’t matter to me.
But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that you criticize in the OT who punished men for sin.
After all kejonn, if he is all-powerful, then he could mercifully make the murderer just disappear without any pain, Right?
You see kejonn I have the same dilemma that you do.
However, I don’t claim that I fully understand the God that I serve. Nor do I have to make excuses or defend his actions.
We are like a grain of sand compared to the heavens, as far as how big God is.
He created it all, and he can do with it as he wishes. No man can accuse him and say to him why did you do this or that no more than the clay can say to the potter why did you make me like this?
Again…
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. ” Isaiah 55:9
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” Romans 11:33
Please tell me kejonn, how can an all-loving, all-powerful, and all-knowing God do nothing?
Could it be that there are some things we do not understand?
Could this also be true of the OT scriptures?
Blessings!
I understand you WJ. But let me ask you — and be truthful — what if the acts attributed to God in the OT were not present there but they were in the Koran, what would you say about Allah?Quote (Not3in1 @ April 22 2008,00:59) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2008,17:48) But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that you criticize in the OT who punished men for sin.
Good points. A little too close to home for me, but good points.I also think you had a good point when you told Kevin that it would be better if he were like Stu and didn't believe in God at all. I think after this post, having read that God basically has killed his disobedient children, and then really does just stand by while children are raped and does nothing….I think I'll give atheism a go!
I'm too tired to think about all of this anymore. Heading to bed. Goodnight all.
Mandy
It is a choice and I don't really think God holds atheists in a poor light. If God truly wanted us to know Him, why doesn't He show Himself like He did to Abraham and Moses? Why doesn't Jesus show himself in a light and with a voice like he did with Paul? After all, how can we be accused of having no faith when it took a personal encounter to turn Paul around? Why did Thomas get the chance to see Jesus and not just believe his fellow apostles?That is one reason I think the bible turns people away from God rather than towards Him. Another board I know of has many atheists. The overwhelming majority of them are former Christians. Almost every one of them said they finally decided there was no God when they read the OT with an open mind.
It saddens me that the bible has created so many atheists. Without it, there may actually be more people who believe in a Creator. But ancient Jewish men had to rob the world of a glorious benevolent Creator by recording Yahweh killing over 2 million people in the OT, not counting the flood.
Christians, read the following: http://www.truthdig.com/images/diguploads/verses.html
Now see if you can make excuses for the Koran. It is not that much different than the bible.
Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,22:18) Christians, read the following: http://www.truthdig.com/images/diguploads/verses.html Now see if you can make excuses for the Koran. It is not that much different than the bible.
I think the Koran wins for dullness. Large tracts of the bible are pathological and (obviously) mindlessly and uncritically polemic in nature but the Koran is repetitive in the manner of a hammer beating in nails. You get the point after the 100th nail, but the purpose of the Koran is to numb the mind for submission and threaten for control.Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,21:38) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2008,00:48) Kejonn Wow, are we getting defensive.
You didn’t answer the question my friend.
I am not trying to attack your God. I am being sincere, with a sincere question.
Let me see if I can give you another scenario.
Lets say you have a 5-year-old daughter.
You happen to walk in on your 19 year old Son raping your daughter.
Well you love your son and your daughter, so because of your love being equal for each, you just do nothing but stand by and watch?
Certainly not.Quote If you have the power to stop it and don’t, wouldn’t that be irresponsible, evil, and even wicked? How is it any more wicked for a God who has all power, all knowledge and is all loving who punishes sin and wickedness in the OT, than a God who sits in the heavens and does nothing when he has the power to stop a little child from being raped?
WJ, with all respect to you, minus the rape (I hope), why was it OK when Joshua and the rest killed all who stood in their way of the “Promised Land”, including women and children? What was their wickedness, being in the wrong place at the wrong time?Quote You are getting defensive over nothing. I was not trying to criticize your God against mine.
To be truthful, we really aren't talking about different Gods. We ARE talking about a totally different view of the same God.Quote I am simply trying to say that maybe we do not even begin to understand the nature of our God. Most of what we know about love for instance is based on our own human emotions.
The scriptures say…
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. Eph 3:19
Seriously, call him Yahweh, Buddha, or the buggy man, It doesn’t matter to me.
But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that you criticize in the OT who punished men for sin.
After all kejonn, if he is all-powerful, then he could mercifully make the murderer just disappear without any pain, Right?
You see kejonn I have the same dilemma that you do.
However, I don’t claim that I fully understand the God that I serve. Nor do I have to make excuses or defend his actions.
We are like a grain of sand compared to the heavens, as far as how big God is.
He created it all, and he can do with it as he wishes. No man can accuse him and say to him why did you do this or that no more than the clay can say to the potter why did you make me like this?
Again…
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. ” Isaiah 55:9
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” Romans 11:33
Please tell me kejonn, how can an all-loving, all-powerful, and all-knowing God do nothing?
Could it be that there are some things we do not understand?
Could this also be true of the OT scriptures?
Blessings!
I understand you WJ. But let me ask you — and be truthful — what if the acts attributed to God in the OT were not present there but they were in the Koran, what would you say about Allah?
KejonnIf I am honest with myself, I would still have to ask the same question.
But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that is found in the Koran.
How can a God of all power, all knowledge, and be all loving and stand by and watch from the heavens and do nothing?
The conclusion is the same kejonn. No matter what name you give that God.
I would have no right to criticize the Koran or claim that their God is evil if I can’t answer this question.
This is an inescapable reality that you and I live in.
But, I choose to believe that God is far above my understanding. He is a God of Love and mercy but also a God of Judgment and he will in his time punish sin.
And I choose not to question ancient writtings of God based on my puny concept of how infinite God is.
And you have the right to choose how you view God.
Blessings. Keith
WJ,
You question Kevin and my views of God based on the premise that a God who doesn't step in to save us in case of mortal injury or damage is not really benign (your why doesn't he stop the rape example). Yes this seems uncaring, yet that is the price of having free will, the ability to make mistakes, if God steps in to constantly save us we will never learn or grow as a race. Yes tough lesson indeed. I believe God is looking long term, allowing evil now so we can learn to overcome such. Since I also believe that God does not give us a one life pass or fail test for salvation, we as both race and individuals have time to learn and rise above our base natures. God does not need to punish evil for evil brings evil unto itself as a consequence of its own action. All actions are ripe with consequence for such is the nature of existence and good begets good, evil begets evil. With time we learn to temper our indepence with wisdom and control; ignorance is overcome with knowledge and learning. God set up the universe on laws that carry on his will according to his plan and he has eternity to see it to fruition.
Your view of God, which I discern from the Bible, which you say you support in total, has God as an occasional participant, when his favored people are involved and gives them license to kill even infants when these infants are perceived enemies of the chosen. Your God is actively jealous, angry, wrathful and I might add makes mistakes. Your God even comes to earth to wrestle with a prophet, and empowers curses and negotiates with men. He desires sacrifices and takes offense easily. The system for salvation presented, “the born again bit”, leaves the vast number of human lives damned and it is patently unfair and too dependent on circumstances outside of the individual.
My view of God, may allow great evil in the world, but does not participate, condone or take active part therein. My God, I believe has a plan for the advancement of all humanity and allows time for this to take hold, your God evidently is losing most of humanity every day, condeming these lost souls to eternal damnation or destruction.
What it all really boils down to is you believe the Bible the word of God and so above critique and judgement, I believe it a work of a large number of men who wrote their view of what they thought God's word and so open to such discussion.
I do not, nor have I ever criticized my maker, only those portrayals that depict him like a pagan god of old rife with human emotion and failings. I think God is all knowing and all loving and plans for the success and growth of all his children, and he has eternity to see it through.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 22 2008,10:30) Quote (kejonn @ April 22 2008,21:38)
I understand you WJ. But let me ask you — and be truthful — what if the acts attributed to God in the OT were not present there but they were in the Koran, what would you say about Allah?
KejonnIf I am honest with myself, I would still have to ask the same question.
But if God is all loving and all powerful and all knowing, and he is the creator of this universe and he can stop a little child from being raped and murdered and hacked to pieces and doesn’t, then that God is no less evil than the God that is found in the Koran.
How can a God of all power, all knowledge, and be all loving and stand by and watch from the heavens and do nothing?
The conclusion is the same kejonn. No matter what name you give that God.
I would have no right to criticize the Koran or claim that their God is evil if I can’t answer this question.
This is an inescapable reality that you and I live in.
But, I choose to believe that God is far above my understanding. He is a God of Love and mercy but also a God of Judgment and he will in his time punish sin.
And I choose not to question ancient writtings of God based on my puny concept of how infinite God is.
And you have the right to choose how you view God.
Blessings. Keith
Thanks Keith. Our past conversations whilst I was a unitarian Christian made me learn to love you as a brother. You are still a brother in the sense that we share common human heritage, so I feel no remorse in claiming you as such.Thank you for being honest about your beliefs and respecting mine. I think you may see that I am not trying to dishonor God but that I am indeed criticizing the bible. I know many Christians see that as citicizing God, and that is their right. I know I probably would have at one time in life.
I have no issues with Christians themselves, nor do I with Muslims or any other religious adherent. We are all following some fallible (my opinion) human work if we are claiming to agree with any revealed religion. I think Gandhi said it best:
- “Thus if I could not accept Christianity either as a perfect, or the greatest religion, neither was I then convinced of Hinduism being such. Hindu defects were pressingly visible to me. If untouchability could be a part of Hinduism, it could but be a rotten part or an excrescence. I could not understand the raison d'etre of a multitude of sects and castes. What was the meaning of saying that the Vedas were the inspired Word of God? If they were inspired, why not also the Bible and the Koran? As Christian friends were endeavouring to convert me, so were Muslim friends. Abdullah Sheth had kept on inducing me to study Islam, and of course he had always something to say regarding its beauty.”
God bless you and yours.
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