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Jodi…..I see Jesus that way also, So I gess we all three do agree on that.
I think what helped me the most when I came to see that the word “God” was not talking about a “person” but a “relationship” with someone or thing. Our “relationship” with yahweh or yehovah, is, that he alone, is our “GOD”, “the power we lean on and trust in”. Just as he was for Jesus and Moses,
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Ed J,
Your questions don’t fit because I don’t see Jesus as a God, but as an appointed *RULER
and judge by YHVH, who does rule and judge justly because YHVH’s Spirit is upon him directing all his ways.Hi Ed J,
There is none like YHVH, He is a ruler and a judge all in a class of His very own,
as He has direct controloverall other rulers and judges and no one has control over Him,
the very reason why we are told that YHVH is elohiym of elohiym and a master of masters.Hi Jodi,
You have all the pieces now. Let me express how I see this fitting together.
Lets focus here for a minute on the topic verse… “God of gods, and Lord of lords”“For [YHVH] your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which
regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow” (Deut 10:17-18)Now we can now understand that the Hebrew:
“EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem and Adon of Adons”
means Ruler of Rulers and Master of MastersNow look at Rev 19:16, and see the how the Greek expresses this same idea…
and Notice how: IT DOES NOT SAY: “Theos of Theos and Kurios of Kurios ”“And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written,
KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS” (Rev 19:16)
(βασιλευς βασιλεων και κυριος κυριων)Conclusion:
In Hebrew: “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem and Adon of Adons” and
in Greek: βασιλευς βασιλεων και κυριος κυριων both mean:KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
I believe we all can agree on that now.
“YHVH is GOD” and there is no other!____________
God bless
Ed JJodi……I think that Moses and Jesus stood in God the Fathers place , by speaking his words,
but I do not believe it ever made them “a” God.Jodi……the word “el” means power, yes but El’ohim means A
God, rather A false God or a real God, and what that word means is “the power you lean on or trust “in”. We trust in Jesus not because he is “a” God, but because God is “in” him. GOD PLAINLY TELL US IN SCRIPTURE HE IS THE ““ONLY” GOD THERE IS, and there is “None” else, and even saying there is “NO” OTHER God. But him.
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Isa 44:6…..Thus saith the LORD the king of Isreal and his redeemer the LORD of hoIsa; I am the first, and the last; “and besides me there is “NO” God.Hi Gene,
You’re right, though the bible uses the phrase: “God of gods”
“The LORD is God of gods, the LORD is God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know;” (Josh 22:22)
This does not mean there are “Lesser gods” in servitude to “GOD”;
its instead making the differentiation between “God” and false gods.Gene, thanks for explaining this to Jodi too!
We see eye to eye in this.____________
God bless
Ed JJodi…..I see Jesus that way also, So I gess we all three do agree on that.
I think what helped me the most when I came to see that the word “God” was not talking about a “person” but a “relationship”
with someone or thing. Our “relationship” with yahweh or yehovah, is, that he alone, is our “GOD”, “the power
we lean on and trust in”. Just as he was for Jesus and Moses,Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
you are expressing the correct meaning of these two verses,
it’s about OUR relationship to God:
(He is not calling anyone ‘a god’ here – religion got it WRONG!)God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.” (Psalms 82:1-8)And here Jesus is reverencing Psalms 82:1-8:
(it’s about OUR relationship to God)“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest;
because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe,
that the Father is in me, and I in him.” (John 10:34-38)____________
God bless
Ed JKing of kings in the OT in Greek is found in Daniel 2 for example and is not the same as God of gods:
LU…..Daniel was addressing king Neburchnasser, about other earthly Kings , that had nothing to do with the word God.
Deut 10:17….is saying that the Only true God is God of all God’s that they and others have created , again t h e word “GOD” is not talking about a person, but about our “relationship” with him or it, if you in anything as the “power you put your trust in” that is your God, rather it be another person, or thing, but scripture says this about us “true” believers, “unto us there is but “one” God, and “one” mediator, between God and men , the ‘MAN” Jesus Christ.”
and again we have Jesus’ own words, “that they might know “YOU”, the “ONLY”, true GOD, and Jesus, (the man Jesus), who “YOU” have sent”. Perinthses mine.
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Hi Gene,
You said: Daniel was addressing king Neburchnasser, about other earthly Kings , that had nothing to do with the word God.
Yes, Gene, I’m aware. From what I can tell, Edj was comparing King of kings and Lord of lords in Revelation with the God of gods and the Lord of lords in Deuteronomy but the King of kings part does not compare with the God of gods like Edj is mistakenly saying. This is what Edj said:
Now look at Rev 19:16, and see the how the Greek expresses this same idea…
That is incorrect, Rev 19:16 does not express the same idea as Deut. 10:17. The Greek in Deut 10:17 for “God of gods” is not how Edj wrote it. Therefore his conclusion is incorrect. I showed you the Greek for Deuteronomy 10:17, you will see theos of theos there. Theos of theos is not there in Rev 19:16 and not meant to be there. Jesus is the Lord of lords, not the God of gods (that’s Jesus’ Father) as I understand it. Never the less, YHVH is both God of gods and Lord of lords…Father and Son.
I hope that helps.
LU
LU…..trying to see your point, but not sure I do. To me the word “GOD” is not describing any person at all, but our “relationship” with any person or thing that exists. Your money can be your God, the works of your hands, can be your God, anything can be your God, but unto us (true believers) there is but “ONE” God, and “ONE” mediator between God and men, the “MAN” Jesus Christ. That LU is the “EXACT” way I see it.
Remember to me, GOD is “not” describing a person, it is describing the “relationship “, you have with that person or thing. IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene
Hi Gene,
I agree that there are many different things that people relate to as their most important thing in their life, like money, or fame, etc. however the true God would be the power that brings everything into existence. Would you agree with that? Only the creator God would be the God of gods and the Lord or lords, do you agree?
LU…..I certanly do agree with that. But you must remember there are no “true” God’s, but “ONE” . all the rest are not “true” God’s, but false Gods created by the people who “imagine” thing as “their” God’s. These people who do that are “idolaters” and will never be excepted by God the Father except they repent.
AS far as LORD, of lords, goes the word for LORD, (adonai) , that means that Almighty God, YEHWEH or YEHOVAH, and (adoni) means a human ruler of somekind. Two very different meanings , while (adoni) can mean “any” human ruler, (adonai) is speaking of God the Father , and there is “only” one of him. Not two or three triunes God’s of anykind.
LU….unto us “there is but, “one” God and “one” mediator between men and God, the “MAN” Jesus Christ.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Hi Gene,
We agree that the creator God would be the God of gods and the Lord of lords, that’s great, Gene. In your last post, you understand that adonai is YHVH. Do you understand that Jesus is YHVH our Righteousness, Lord of lords, Lord of all, the one Lord who gives the power to become children of God?
Do you understand that you and your wife are ONE flesh, yet your “one flesh” is made of two persons? One of the two persons of that ONE flesh is not also the other person. Do you agree? Believers that believe that God is ONE consider that to be two or three persons as ONE God. Just like you probably understand that married couples are two persons as that ONE flesh. Do you understand this, Gene? Can you open up a bit of your mind to at least have a discussion as though that is a possibility?
Please try to step out of your familiar view and consider that the only begotten Son is the only begotten BIOLOGICAL Son of God, born before creation. I said please 🙂
LU
Hi LU,
You have said that you have covered things with me before, but time and time again I give posts that go unanswered by you.
I hope you can answer this post.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Jesus is the son of David, YHVH’s Son according to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead.
You have ONE who is named YHVH and you have ONE who is named Jesus.
Psalm 110:1 The YHVH said unto my Lord (adown), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The YHVH shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
LU, YHVH makes Jesus into a master, YHVH sits Jesus the Son of Man, on His right hand.
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
The rod is NOT YHVH, but is the son of Jesse, the Son of Man of whom YHVH puts His Spirit upon, of whom YHVH had promised unto David’s son He would not take His mercy away from him, and YHVH would settle him into HIS house.
Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith,Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
YHVH is not sending YHVH. YHVH is sending the man who has been sitting at YHVH’s right hand, of whom YHVH MADE that man a master unto us. Our Father’s NAME IS YHVH and the master who HE is sending his NAME is Jesus.
WHEN Jesus comes,
Isaiah 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the YHVH: and he shall not judge after the sight OF HIS EYES, neither reprove after the hearing OF HIS EARS: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Acts 17:31 Because HE hath appointed a day, in the which HE will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
LU, come out of this ridiculousness!! YHVH is ONE person, Jesus is ONE person of whom has YHVH’s Spirit upon him, where he thus can judge righteously when he comes to destroy enemies.
Jesus is the man who is coming IN the glory of his Father YHVH, as YHVH’s Spirit is upon him, where he is a son of David, YHVH’s Son ACCORDING TO the SPIRIT. As you are told, this son of David, received the Holy Spirit upon his resurrection ACCORDING to a promise, thus likewise told, on that day this son of David was BEGOTTEN by YHVH, made a first begotten of the dead. He is LED by that Spirit and thus is a Son of YHVH. The Spirit is a witness to his spirit that he is a child of YHVH. We are JOINT heirs with this man who was born of the Spirit, where thus we are to likewise receive this same Spirit, we are likewise to have God LEAD us in all our ways.
Hi LU,
Acts teaches us that Jesus is the son of David who is going to sit on his father David’s throne ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, and Paul tells us that the son of David is God’s Son ACCORDING to the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead, as TOLD by God AFORE BY THE PROPHETS.
This Son of David in Acts is said to have been raised receiving the promised Holy Spirit, is said to have on that day been BEGOTTEN by God.
Please explain this begetting? How does it fit with your other begotten theory?
Hi Lu,
This is a post if I am not mistaken was not answered.
This is VERY CLEAR,
Neh 9: 5 Then the Levites, Jeshua, and Kadmiel, Bani, Hashabniah, Sherebiah, Hodijah, Shebaniah, and Pethahiah, said, Stand up and bless YHVH your God for ever and ever: and blessed be thy glorious name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise. 6 Thou, even thou, art YHVH ALONE; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. 7 Thou art YHVH the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
Mark 12: 26 Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how GOD SAID to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?
Acts 3: 13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified HIS SERVANT Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.
The God of Abraham is YHVH and he ALONE is YHVH, and THIS GOD ALONE who is YHVH, has glorified HIS servant Jesus.
LU this is ABSOLUTE proof that YHVH does not equate to both the Father and His Son of many Sons, Jesus.
Our Father’s NAME is YHVH, who HE ALONE IS YHVH and Jesus is a SERVANT to YHVH.
Jodi…..Apsolutely right. We as well as Jesus have a GOD , AND IT IS NOT JESUS, they have broken the very first of all comandment, “you shall have no other GOD besides me, you shall Make, “NO”, image of me in heaven above or earth beneath”. They have taken the true ‘image” of Jesus a man, and truned him into their GOD, they worship him as their, God , and preach him as their “true” God.
Whoever doesn’t understand this, hasn’t even began yet to understand the truth about the word of GOD . IMO
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
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