God is over all, christ is over all

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2010,18:47)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 26 2010,03:25)

Shall I post the scriptures where Jesus is standing in the throne of God?

Blessings WJ

Hi WJ,

It says “in the midst” of God's throne. It also says the four beasts are “in the midst” of the throne. 7:10 says:

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And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb

Can you see it is God who sits on the throne, and the Lamb is someone different?

peace and love
mike

Mike

Sorry my friend, it doesn't say the Beasts are in the “midst of the throne” it says….

And I beheld, and, lo, “in the midst of the throne” and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, “stood a Lamb” as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev 5:6

It says the Lamb stood in the midst of the throne and the four beast!

“For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them“, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Rev 7:17

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of “the throne of God **and of the Lamb**“. Rev 22:1

And there shall be no more curse: but “the throne of God and of the Lamb” shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: Rev 22:3

There is no one else in God's throne recieving Glory, Honour, Power, and Praise other than the Father and Jesus!

Jesus sits in the throne of God ruling as God because he has ALL Authority and Power and posseses ALL things and by him all things consist.

Jesus is the God of this Age and will reign with the Father forever!

Blessings WJ

February 26, 2010 at 5:38 pm#180474

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Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 26 2010,06:29)

The apostles, as well as all the saints, were predestined to be called, but the anointing by the Holy Spirit came only “after” they answered the call.

George

But the Apostles were never called “Christ”.

Christ means “The Anointed One” or “The Messiah”.

The term is only found in the NT referring to Jesus alone!

Blessings WJ

February 26, 2010 at 5:40 pm#180476

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Hi WJ,
Yes Jesus is the Christ of God.
Not our God but the Son of Man, our Lord.

February 26, 2010 at 5:42 pm#180477

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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 27 2010,02:58)

Thinker……….The reason the Father and the Son Spoke the Same truth is because the SAME SPIRIT (INTELLECT) IS IN THEM BOTH AT THIS TIME , Jesus recieved that SPIRIT at the JORDAN, after His Berth into existence on earth.

That Spirit is equal in power and authority, Not the Individuals (it) (Holy spirit) is (IN)> Thy are those who have recieved the SPIRIT OF (THE ONLY ONE TRUE) GOD (IN) Them. You and Wj are constantly trying to Make God's Spirit the person it is IN. If you could just understand this so many scriptures would just fall into place and the confusion would leave you. IMO

Do yourself a favor and dump the TRINITARIAN GARBAGE, And along with it the PREEXISTENCE GARBAGE TO.

peace and love to you and your………………………gene

The Father did not speak the “same” truth. He spoke a different truth. The Father called His Son “God” and you say that the Father's words are “garbage.”

thinker

February 26, 2010 at 5:43 pm#180479

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2010,12:40)

Hi WJ,
Yes Jesus is the Christ of God.
Not our God but the Son of Man, our Lord.

Yes I realize he is a mere man to you Nick.

You serve a man.

I serve God!

Blessings WJ

February 26, 2010 at 5:44 pm#180480

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Hi TT,
There is no real truth then?
you agree with Pilate?

No, Jesus, the truth, spoke the words his God gave him.

You are lost in confusion.

February 26, 2010 at 5:44 pm#180481

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WorshippingJesus said:

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Jesus is the God of this Age and will reign with the Father forever!

Amen brother!

Jack

February 26, 2010 at 5:48 pm#180483

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Hi WJ and TT,
2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

February 26, 2010 at 5:51 pm#180485

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,04:44)

Hi TT,
There is no real truth then?
you agree with Pilate?

No, Jesus, the truth, spoke the words his God gave him.

You are lost in confusion.

Nick,

Of course Jesus spoke the truth. But are Christ's words more authoritative than His Father's?

But to the Son He says:

“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

When Jesus says that the Father is God you accept it. But when the Father says that jesus is God you argue with it. So how can the Father be your God?

You believe Jesus who you say was a mere man. But you argue with the one you say is your God.

thinker

February 26, 2010 at 5:52 pm#180486

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,04:48)

Hi WJ and TT,
2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

I knew that was coming. How pathetic!

thinker

February 26, 2010 at 6:17 pm#180492

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Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,04:51)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,04:44)

Hi TT,
There is no real truth then?
you agree with Pilate?

No, Jesus, the truth, spoke the words his God gave him.

You are lost in confusion.

Nick,

Of course Jesus spoke the truth. But are Christ's words more authoritative than His Father's?

But to the Son He says:

“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

When Jesus says that the Father is God you accept it. But when the Father says that jesus is God you argue with it. So how can the Father be your God?

You believe Jesus who you say was a mere man. But you argue with the one you say is your God.

thinker

Hi TT,
God calls many GODS but you take to yourself to decide which are equal to GOD and somehow also the SAME AS the Father God??

You certainly have your own personal religion but is that wise??

February 26, 2010 at 6:26 pm#180498

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,05:17)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,04:51)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,04:44)

Hi TT,
There is no real truth then?
you agree with Pilate?

No, Jesus, the truth, spoke the words his God gave him.

You are lost in confusion.

Nick,

Of course Jesus spoke the truth. But are Christ's words more authoritative than His Father's?

But to the Son He says:

“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

When Jesus says that the Father is God you accept it. But when the Father says that jesus is God you argue with it. So how can the Father be your God?

You believe Jesus who you say was a mere man. But you argue with the one you say is your God.

thinker

Hi TT,
God calls many GODS but you take to yourself to decide which are equal to GOD and somehow also the SAME AS the Father God??

You certainly have your own personal religion but is that wise??

I never said “same as” Father God. I have always said “equal with” Father God.

Christ is OVER ALL (Rom.9:5)

The Father is OVER ALL (Eph. 4:6)

This means “equal with” as I said in my opening post. You want to put words into my mouth.

Do the math Nick.

thinker

February 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm#180499

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Hi TT,
So your trinity idea has died and now two gods are promoted?

February 26, 2010 at 6:38 pm#180501

Elizabeth

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Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,01:30)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 26 2010,11:33)

thinker……> it is simple you just do not believe what Jesus said about GOD the FATHER being the “ONLY TRUE GOD” . It really is that simple if you just believed ONLY that one statement of Jesus you would have no trouble understanding the rest.

You need to reread 2Ths2 and really think about it time is running short brother. IMO

Gene,

It is simple that you give the words of Jesus more authority than the words of the Father. Jesus called the Father “God” and rhe Father called the Son “God” (Hebrews 1:8).

Both the Father and the Son spoke truth with EQUAL authority.

Why do you believe the Son but you don't believe the Father?

thinker

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Jhn 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Jhn 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Jhn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Take your time reading this.

Georg

February 26, 2010 at 6:50 pm#180505

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Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 26 2010,12:52)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,04:48)

Hi WJ and TT,
2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

I knew that was coming. How pathetic!

thinker

Jack

Really. Notice the little “g” for god of this world.

Satan truly is a god of this worldly system. But Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

Blessings WJ

February 26, 2010 at 6:56 pm#180506

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2010,13:17)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,04:51)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2010,04:44)

Hi TT,
There is no real truth then?
you agree with Pilate?

No, Jesus, the truth, spoke the words his God gave him.

You are lost in confusion.

Nick,

Of course Jesus spoke the truth. But are Christ's words more authoritative than His Father's?

But to the Son He says:

“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

When Jesus says that the Father is God you accept it. But when the Father says that jesus is God you argue with it. So how can the Father be your God?

You believe Jesus who you say was a mere man. But you argue with the one you say is your God.

thinker

Hi TT,
God calls many GODS but you take to yourself to decide which are equal to GOD and somehow also the SAME AS the Father God??

You certainly have your own personal religion but is that wise??

That is a lie. God doesn't say any are God, but only speaks of them as false gods like men that shall die. Pss 82:6, 7

YHWH says there is no other Gods and that you are not to even mention the name of other so-called gods.

Yet he as well as the Apostles call Jesus God and says his throne is forever and commands the Angels to worship him.

How do you explain this conundrum that false religions and doctrines of men have?

February 26, 2010 at 7:02 pm#180509

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Hi WJ,
Really?
Please show where others called gods are said in that same context to be false gods.[Men, angels etc]

Men make idols all the time but we should not[1Jn5] For us there is one God, the Father.

February 26, 2010 at 7:17 pm#180513

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Quote (Elizabeth @ Feb. 26 2010,13:38)

Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2010,01:30)

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 26 2010,11:33)

You need to reread 2Ths2 and really think about it time is running short brother. IMO

Gene,

It is simple that you give the words of Jesus more authority than the words of the Father. Jesus called the Father “God” and rhe Father called the Son “God” (Hebrews 1:8).

Both the Father and the Son spoke truth with EQUAL authority.

Why do you believe the Son but you don't believe the Father?

thinker

Take your time reading this.

Georg

George

We have read those scriptures and if your heart is right you will see that Jesus is speaking of equality with the Father for it says “Whatever Jesus sees the Father doing “HE DOES”. It also says “All Judgement is his”.

No anointed man could make such claims and for Jesus to make these claims to the Jew was blasphemous.

Jesus tells us to judge no man, yet he says “ALL judgment is his”!

We have the Spirit and we could never claim that whatever we see the Father do, we do. We would never say that healing a blind man would be to glorify us would we?

Yet Jesus said…”Jhn 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, “that the Son of God might be glorified” thereby. Jesus is being glorified just as the Father!

If you are refering to Jesus saying that he can do nothing of his own initiative well those words were spoken in the days of his flesh before he returned to his previous Glory with the Father and is given All Authority and Power and now sits in the throne of God ruling as God.

“He is no longer the servant Messiah!!!“

Don't you get that?

He now has “ALL AUTHORITY AND POWER” AND ALL THINGS ARE BEING SUBJECTED TO HIM AND HE POSSESES ALL THINGS AND BY HIM ALL THINGS CONSIST.”

You guys are still serving the Jesus in the flesh.

Stop cherry picking scriptures and look at the whole council of God!

HE SITS IN THE THRONE OF GOD RULING AS GOD!!!

Blessings WJ

February 26, 2010 at 7:20 pm#180515

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 26 2010,14:02)

Hi WJ,
Really?
Please show where others called gods are said in that same context to be false gods.[Men, angels etc]

Men make idols all the time but we should not[1Jn5] For us there is one God, the Father.

Please give me a scripture where they are called gods by YHWH where they are not gods, but idols or false gods made by men!

Moses doesn't work because God didn't say Moses would be God. But he said he would be “as a God” to Pharoah.

Big difference.

February 26, 2010 at 7:32 pm#180517