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Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 05 2013,14:12) Wakeup Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
Keep up the good work. They hate it when you give them scripture.
You gave direct scripture proving that nearly everything he said was incorrect.
Wakeup, you take it and take it and take it. You keep explaining so calm. You're a loaded bullet, no blanks there, and they spin a web for themselves only to get caught.
Thank you J42.It is the new translations they are reading.
Thy have been manipulated by the jewish scribes
that are antichrists.wakeup.
Thanks Wakeup.
I tried to goad you into looking at things again but all you can do is call me an anti-Christ.
If you had conceded one point I might have continued.
Stars refer to men–
Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
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Quote (Resting @ Dec. 05 2013,20:19) Thanks Wakeup. I tried to goad you into looking at things again but all you can do is call me an anti-Christ.
If you had conceded one point I might have continued.
Stars refer to men–
Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Res.
Resting.I did not call you antichrist,unless you are one of those
jewish scribes.Quote
Stars refer to men–
Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.YOU HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD TIS VERSE.
YOUR CHILDRENS NUMBER WILL BE AS THE STARS ABOVE.
MEANING: MANY. GOD DID NOT CALL ABRAHAMS CHILDREN STARS.Quote
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?HOW CAN YOU INTERPRET THAT DREAM AS THEM CHILDREN BEING STARS AND FATHER AND MOTHER AS BEING SUN AND MOON?
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Dan 12:3 And they that be wise
***shall shine as the brightness of the firmament***;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.SHALL SHINE **AS** THE FIRMAMENT.
ANGELS DO SHINE BRIGHT;AND ARE CALLED STARS.
NONE OF US IS BRIGHT IN APPEARENCE? **ONLY THE RIGHTEOUS** SHALL SHINE IN WISDOM.AND WHEN RESURRECTED WILL SHINE LIKE THE STARS. JESUS WAS NOT A GLOWING LIGHTBULB,WALKING ON EARTH.
BUT AFTER RESURRECTED HE BECAME AS THE MORNING STAR.CAN YOU PLEASE ANSWER MY PREVIOUS QUESTIONS?
wakeup.
all
lets go back on the topic,
so God as finished with the Jews,sins 70 AD, it is from then on ,that the Jews CAN NOT RENDER A WORSHIP T JEHOVAH THEIR GOD,ACCORDING TO THE LAW ,BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO LONGER THE TEMPLE WHERE THE NAME OF THEIR GOD IS ON ,(EXCLUDING THEIR OWN CORRUPTION )
THIS TEMPLE WAS NOW REPLACED BY THE FAITH IN THE SON OF GOD ,AND WORSHIP TO JEHOVAH AS TO BE DONE “IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH “
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this is the warning ;
Dt 7:2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
Dt 7:3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
Dt 7:4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD'S anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.
Dt 7:5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire.
Dt 7:6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Dt 7:7 The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
Dt 7:8 But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Dt 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
Dt 7:10 But
those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.and later they did not follow what God told them
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2013,10:09) all this is the warning ;
Dt 7:2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
Dt 7:3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
Dt 7:4 for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the LORD'S anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.
Dt 7:5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire.
Dt 7:6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Dt 7:7 The LORD did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
Dt 7:8 But it was because the LORD loved you and kept the oath he swore to your forefathers that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Dt 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
Dt 7:10 But
those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.and later they did not follow what God told them
T.THE JEWS BACK THEN WERE ALSO LED ASTRAY BY SATAN AND THEIR SCRIBES AND PHARISEES. SATAN WENT INTO JUDAS ALSO.
JUST AS CHRISTIANS ARE LEAD ASTRAY TODAY.
THAT'S WHY THE GREAT TEST IS NECESSARY.
THE TRIBULATION;THE TAKING OR NOT TAKING OF THE MARK.AND THE JEWS OF THE PAST, ALSO WILL HAVE A TEST IN THE 1000YR KINGDOM.
TO FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OR TO REJECT.
THEY ALL IN THE KINGDOM WILL FOLLOW.
THE OUTSIDERS WILL ASO FOLLOW,BUT MANY ALSO WILL STILL NOT FOLLOW;MAYBE ALSO SOME JEWS AMONGST THEM.wakeup.
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Quote THE JEWS BACK THEN WERE ALSO LED ASTRAY BY SATAN not so ;
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
j42why
you still believe that “devil make me do it ?” is true
you try to find someone else to blame for your wrong doing
the fact that Satan as rebelled toward God is not a reason for you to follow him,
just because we have the option to chose between good and evil behavior does not make either God or Satan tempting us either way ,
this is a fundamental truth,
Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 08 2013,01:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
J42.You better have your seat belt on when you come
into Terrra's territory. His road is full of stumbling stones
and potholes.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,01:55) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
j42why
you still believe that “devil make me do it ?” is true
you try to find someone else to blame for your wrong doing
the fact that Satan as rebelled toward God is not a reason for you to follow him,
just because we have the option to chose between good and evil behavior does not make either God or Satan tempting us either way ,
this is a fundamental truth,
T.I have underestimated your ignorance.
Luke 4:13
***And when the devil had ended all the temptation***,
he departed from him for a season.1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no *temptation* taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with *the temptation* also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Was Eve not tempted by the serpent?
WHAT SAY YOU NOW.
wakeup.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,11:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,01:55) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
j42why
you still believe that “devil make me do it ?” is true
you try to find someone else to blame for your wrong doing
the fact that Satan as rebelled toward God is not a reason for you to follow him,
just because we have the option to chose between good and evil behavior does not make either God or Satan tempting us either way ,
this is a fundamental truth,
T.I have underestimated your ignorance.
Luke 4:13
***And when the devil had ended all the temptation***,
he departed from him for a season.1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no *temptation* taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with *the temptation* also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Was Eve not tempted by the serpent?
WHAT SAY YOU NOW.
wakeup.
wakeup.
wI told you what i know and understand ,I will not argue over it ,in the case of Jesus you should read all the gospels and pray for understanding,
for the rest ,i do not force you to believe me ,just do your home work ,
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,17:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,11:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,01:55) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
j42why
you still believe that “devil make me do it ?” is true
you try to find someone else to blame for your wrong doing
the fact that Satan as rebelled toward God is not a reason for you to follow him,
just because we have the option to chose between good and evil behavior does not make either God or Satan tempting us either way ,
this is a fundamental truth,
T.I have underestimated your ignorance.
Luke 4:13
***And when the devil had ended all the temptation***,
he departed from him for a season.1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no *temptation* taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with *the temptation* also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Was Eve not tempted by the serpent?
WHAT SAY YOU NOW.
wakeup.
wakeup.
wI told you what i know and understand ,I will not argue over it ,in the case of Jesus you should read all the gospels and pray for understanding,
for the rest ,i do not force you to believe me ,just do your home work ,
T.Again;scriptures dont mean a thing to you.
The Word of God is just there for the picking.
Take only what is to your taste.
The rest can go into your waste basket.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,14:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,17:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,11:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,01:55) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
j42why
you still believe that “devil make me do it ?” is true
you try to find someone else to blame for your wrong doing
the fact that Satan as rebelled toward God is not a reason for you to follow him,
just because we have the option to chose between good and evil behavior does not make either God or Satan tempting us either way ,
this is a fundamental truth,
T.I have underestimated your ignorance.
Luke 4:13
***And when the devil had ended all the temptation***,
he departed from him for a season.1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no *temptation* taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with *the temptation* also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Was Eve not tempted by the serpent?
WHAT SAY YOU NOW.
wakeup.
wakeup.
wI told you what i know and understand ,I will not argue over it ,in the case of Jesus you should read all the gospels and pray for understanding,
for the rest ,i do not force you to believe me ,just do your home work ,
T.Again;scriptures dont mean a thing to you.
The Word of God is just there for the picking.
Take only what is to your taste.
The rest can go into your waste basket.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,19:45) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,14:14) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,17:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 08 2013,11:27) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,01:55) Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 07 2013,20:08) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2013,00:13) no one is tempted by Satan ,he did rebel against God and if we do ,we just joint him in the works
I'm gonna fall of my chair!
j42why
you still believe that “devil make me do it ?” is true
you try to find someone else to blame for your wrong doing
the fact that Satan as rebelled toward God is not a reason for you to follow him,
just because we have the option to chose between good and evil behavior does not make either God or Satan tempting us either way ,
this is a fundamental truth,
T.I have underestimated your ignorance.
Luke 4:13
***And when the devil had ended all the temptation***,
he departed from him for a season.1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no *temptation* taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with *the temptation* also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Was Eve not tempted by the serpent?
WHAT SAY YOU NOW.
wakeup.
wakeup.
wI told you what i know and understand ,I will not argue over it ,in the case of Jesus you should read all the gospels and pray for understanding,
for the rest ,i do not force you to believe me ,just do your home work ,
T.Again;scriptures dont mean a thing to you.
The Word of God is just there for the picking.
Take only what is to your taste.
The rest can go into your waste basket.wakeup.
T.You are afraid to answer my simple question,
because it will incriminate you.Did the serpent not tempt Eve,and Jesus?
wakeup.
w
Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.tell me if this principal does not apply for E,VE TEMPTATION
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,13:24) w Jas 1:14 but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers.tell me if this principal does not apply for E,VE TEMPTATION
T.Genesis 3:1 Now **the serpent** was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
***And he said unto the woman***,
Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the
garden?Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Genesis 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Genesis 3:4 ***And the serpent said unto the woman,
Ye shall not surely die***:Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
THE SERPENT IS THE DRIVING FORCE FOR EVE TO SIN.
wakeup.
W
How can Satan be the driving force
He is the proposal voice, Eve was never under forces that she could not get out of ,How is James 1:14-16
Does not apply to her just as it apply to all of us sins the beginning ,we only have to blame our self for the sins we commit ,this is the truthQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,14:31) W How can Satan be the driving force
He is the proposal voice, Eve was never under forces that she could not get out of ,How is James 1:14-16
Does not apply to her just as it apply to all of us sins the beginning ,we only have to blame our self for the sins we commit ,this is the truth
T.Here are scriptures to prove you wrong,
and need to believe what is written in scripture.
Not what is in your mind.Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Is the devil Jesus himself?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 09 2013,14:57) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2013,14:31) W How can Satan be the driving force
He is the proposal voice, Eve was never under forces that she could not get out of ,How is James 1:14-16
Does not apply to her just as it apply to all of us sins the beginning ,we only have to blame our self for the sins we commit ,this is the truth
T.Here are scriptures to prove you wrong,
and need to believe what is written in scripture.
Not what is in your mind.Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Matthew 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Is the devil Jesus himself?
wakeup.
WNO THOSE SCRIPTURES DO NOT ANNUL WHAT JAMES IS SAYING INSTEAD IT PROVES IT ,BUT YOU CANNOT SEE IT ,
SO READ YOUR SCRIPTURES AND UNDERSTAND THEM ,
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