God is not finish with the jews.

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Hi Pierre:

You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11:

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so what Paul says is not bring in another DELIVERER but the one that he knew add com JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD,; because Jesus Christ his the fulfilment of the LAW AND PROPHETES ,

Is Jesus personally present in the earth today?

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

to your question ;

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Is Jesus personally present in the earth today?

my answer is NO,

because he is sitting on the right hand of God his father ,

but his army of angels are always busy around the earth

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You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11:

if you read the context that is what it is ,

Hi Pierre:

The point is that Jesus came as a deliverer to Jacob in his ministry on earth, and to all that come to God through him from his ministry until his coming for the church, but the deliverer that will be sent to the Jews in this last day will come from the church and will be sent by the Lord, since he is not personally here on earth today, but we the church are his hands and feet.

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

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Hi Pierre:

I do not know for sure that we can call us THE CHURCH OF CHRIST (144K) THE SEALED ONES AND THE ONLY REDEEMED ONES FROM THE EARTH ;AND THE LAST ONES OF THERE KIND I BELIEVE TO BE THE TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION (BECAUSE THEY ARE KILLED RESURRECTED AND CALLED TO HEAVEN)

Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

SO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING CALLED AND HAVING BELIEVED IN THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST

and so you also now agree that Israel as the same deliverer than all men and so as a nation of today as no part in God plan ,all men have to come through Christ ;

November 10, 2013 at 11:34 pm#361667

942767

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Hi Pierre:

The 144,000 will be the authority of the church, but they are not the only members of the church. It is all of the body of Christ that make up the church of the living God.

Of Course, we know:

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Mat 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Of course, it is through the gospel that men are saved, and are the Israel of God, and the deliverer is sent to the Jews to preach the gospel, and those who believe with a repentant heart will be saved.

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Rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

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Jhn 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jhn 3:18

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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1Cr 12:12

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
1Cr 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Cr 12:14

For the body is not one member, but many.

Love in Christ,
Marty

November 10, 2013 at 11:57 pm#361668

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Marty

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The 144,000 will be the authority of the church, but they are not the only members of the church. It is all of the body of Christ that make up the church of the living God.

what I can see is that Christ as two pens of sheep ,one in heaven and one on earth ,but only one his the church not both ,I do agree that the 144k are the authority over the earth humans believers ,I do not understand if you mean by church being one congregation or assembly in God and Christ ???even though they are two separated groups ,if this is true then I agree with you ,

November 11, 2013 at 12:36 am#361671

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The 144,000 will be the authority of the church, but they are not the only members of the church. It is all of the body of Christ that make up the church of the living God.

Hi Pierre:

The 144,000 are not in authority in the church at the present but they will be, and it is through them that the church will be brought to maturity since they teach the truth of God's Word. One cannot teach others until one is first taught himself. These have not been defiled by false doctrines.

But no, they are not in heaven and the rest of the body is on the earth. There is only one in heaven now at the right hand of God, and that is the Lord Jesus.

In the resurrection, the whole body of Christ will be resurrected. This is what the scriptures state:

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1Th 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Eph 4:1
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I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Eph 4:2

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Eph 4:3

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Eph 4:4

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph 4:7

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Eph 4:8

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Eph 4:11

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Eph 4:14

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Eph 4:15

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Love in Christ,
Marty

November 11, 2013 at 12:56 am#361677

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The 144,000 will be the authority of the church, but they are not the only members of the church. It is all of the body of Christ that make up the church of the living God.

Hi Pierre:

But no, they are not in heaven and the rest of the body is on the earth. There is only one in heaven now at the right hand of God, and that is the Lord Jesus.

In the resurrection, the whole body of Christ will be resurrected. This is what the scriptures state:

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1Th 4:13

But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Eph 4:1
¶
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Eph 4:2

With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Eph 4:3

Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Eph 4:4

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph 4:7

But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Eph 4:8

Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9

(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Eph 4:10

He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Eph 4:11

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Eph 4:14

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Eph 4:15

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Love in Christ,
Marty

Marty

They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Rev 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.
Rev 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.
Rev 21:26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

those scriptures shows that the 144k are the temple of God and they are the priests ,it seems they are the only ones that will be able to come to earth and go to heaven,

but on the earth some others will be chosen for being in authority just like in the promised land .

November 11, 2013 at 6:05 am#361711

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Some teach that God is finish with the jews in 70ad.
Lets find out if this is the case,or an error.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

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Some will read this,but can *NOT* understand.

In 70ad israel/jews, were punished by having their
corrupt temple destroyed by the Romans.
And for killing their true Messiah.

The gospel has been preached for 37years by then,
by Paul to the gentiles.

There were only seven *established* churches in Asia minor,
and they also are not true followers.(satan already at work).
Jesus has given them warnings through John in revelation
ch.2.3.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in ***Smyrna*** write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them **which say they are Jews**, and are not, **but are the synagogue of Satan**.

Here is a *clue* why Jesus calls them gentiles: *jews*.
He was referring to *spiritual jews*.
They call themselves true worshippers;but they are not.

The seven churches were not all of satan. Jesus is correcting certain persons within the churches.

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Regarding the jews of the flesh Jeremiah16 says:

Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

Jeremiah 16:15 *But*, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and **I will bring them again** into *their land* that I gave unto their fathers.

BUT—- NOTICE WHAT HE SAYS NEXT.

Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; ***and after will I send for many hunters****, and they shall **hunt them** from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.THE FISHERS ARE TO ENTICE THEM TO COME BACK
TO ISRAEL.

GOD BRINGS THEM BACK FIRST, AND THEN HE WILL SEND FOR MANY *HUNTERS* TO HUNT THEM.
THIS WAS THE RETURN OF THE JEWS IN 1948.
ISRAEL TODAY. THEY ARE HUNTED BY THEIR ENEMIES.

No. The fishers were the fishers of men like Peter and so forth who fish for men. It was no gathering to anywhere but to the Kingdom of God.

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NOW HERE IS ANOTHER BRINGING BACK WITH A BIG DIFFERENCE:

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and *scatter* the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel *against the pastors* that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the *evil* of your doings, saith the LORD.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PASTORS THAT DO THE SCATTERING OF HIS FLOCK. CAUSING CONFUSION,AND DIVISIONS.

Jeremiah 23:3 And **I will *gather* the remnant of my flock** out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will **bring them again** to their folds; and ***they shall be fruitful and increase***.
THEY SHALL BE FRUITFULL AND INCREASE THIS TIME.
NOTE THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE *FIST* BRINGING BACK
IN JER.16.

Jeremiah 23:4 And I will *set up shepherds* over them which shall feed them: and **they shall fear no more**, nor be dismayed, **neither shall they be lacking**, saith the LORD.
NOTE: NO MORE FEAR/ NO MORE LACKING.
SET UP TRUE SHEPHERDS; NOT CORRUPT SHEPHERDS.

Jeremiah 23:5 ** Behold, the days come**, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto **David a righteous Branch**, and a **King shall reign, and prosper**, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
THE RIGHTEOUS KING SHALL REIGN,AND PROSPER.
THIS WILL BE WHEN THE JEWS WILL BE BROUGH BACK
BY CHOICE THE *SECOND TIME* IN THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN.(JEWS OF ALL GENERATIONS).
THIS IS WHEN THE NATURAL OLIVE BRANCHES WILL BE GRAFTED BACK ON TO THE TREE.THIS IS WHERE ISAIAH 11 AND 65 COMES IN.

Jeremiah 23:6 **In his days Judah shall be saved**, and **Israel shall dwell safely**: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, **THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS**.
JUDAH SHALL BE SAVED; AND LIVE IN SAFETY.(ZECH.14;11).
JESUS WILL BE THEIR KING.NO MORE PAIN AND SUFFERING,
NO MORE TEARS. SWORDS TURNED INTO PLOWSHARES,
SPEARS INTO PRUNINGHOOKS,LION EATS STRAW.
ISAIAH CH.11 AND CH.65.

Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that they **shall no more say**, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
THEY SHALL DWELL IN THEIR OWN LAND IN SAFETY.
NO MORE HUNTERS TO HUNT THEM.

Jeremiah 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROPHETS THAT
TEACHES ERROR.

I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN JER.16 AND JER.23.
GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH THE JEWS SINCE 70AD.
IN THE KINGDOM THE JEWS WILL BE *GRAFTED BACK* ON TO JESUS,BY TEACHING THEM THE GOSPELS.
AND THE RESURRECTED SAINTS WILL BE THEIR TEACHERS.

wakeup.

The hunters who will hunt them from the rocks hiding from the face of Jesus in the 6th seal, are people of the resurrection and angels.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The present gathering of Israel of the flesh, which is hardly Israel of the flesh at all, is a farce, a deception into which most churches of the world are deceived by.—

Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
Deu 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
Deu 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, a
nd from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Res.

November 11, 2013 at 6:18 am#361716

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it seems you did not read the scriptures or not enough ,at the least you should read all the topic ,and paid attention ,but if you just want to join some group
to present a other view than the scriptures that s fine with me but then first ANSWER ALL MY QUESTIONS IN THIS TOPIC ,

November 13, 2013 at 3:49 am#361841

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RESTING

Ok what is your question?

Res.

November 13, 2013 at 5:02 am#361856

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Quote (Resting @ Nov. 13 2013,08:49)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2013,16:18)

RESTING

Ok what is your question?

Res.

Res

I have read your quote again ,it seem that you agree with me ,that Israel of today as nothing to do with God's plan or will
Am I right

November 13, 2013 at 7:57 am#361869

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RESTING

Ok what is your question?

Res.

Res

I have read your quote again ,it seem that you agree with me ,that Israel of today as nothing to do with God's plan or will
Am I right

I agree,

Only in the sense that God knows what man tries to do with his promises.

Abraham bought forth Ishmael before Gods promise of Isaac came to be.

Nevertheless God still blessed Ishmael to some degree.

Mankind works by his flesh before God says to them they wasted their effort.

Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

November 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm#361871

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Some teach that God is finish with the jews in 70ad.
Lets find out if this is the case,or an error.

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Some will read this,but can *NOT* understand.

In 70ad israel/jews, were punished by having their
corrupt temple destroyed by the Romans.
And for killing their true Messiah.

The gospel has been preached for 37years by then,
by Paul to the gentiles.

There were only seven *established* churches in Asia minor,
and they also are not true followers.(satan already at work).
Jesus has given them warnings through John in revelation
ch.2.3.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in ***Smyrna*** write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them **which say they are Jews**, and are not, **but are the synagogue of Satan**.

Here is a *clue* why Jesus calls them gentiles: *jews*.
He was referring to *spiritual jews*.
They call themselves true worshippers;but they are not.

The seven churches were not all of satan. Jesus is correcting certain persons within the churches.

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Regarding the jews of the flesh Jeremiah16 says:

Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

BUT—- NOTICE WHAT HE SAYS NEXT.

GOD BRINGS THEM BACK FIRST, AND THEN HE WILL SEND FOR MANY *HUNTERS* TO HUNT THEM.
THIS WAS THE RETURN OF THE JEWS IN 1948.
ISRAEL TODAY. THEY ARE HUNTED BY THEIR ENEMIES.

No. The fishers were the fishers of men like Peter and so forth who fish for men. It was no gathering to anywhere but to the Kingdom of God.

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NOW HERE IS ANOTHER BRINGING BACK WITH A BIG DIFFERENCE:

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and *scatter* the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that they **shall no more say**, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

Jeremiah 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROPHETS THAT
TEACHES ERROR.

wakeup.

The hunters who will hunt them from the rocks hiding from the face of Jesus in the 6th seal, are people of the resurrection and angels.

The present gathering of Israel of the flesh, which is hardly Israel of the flesh at all, is a farce, a deception into which most churches of the world are deceived by.—

Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
Deu 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
Deu 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will re
turn and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Res.

Resting.

1.The first gathering happened in 1945.
Israel has not been a nation since babylon;untill 1945.

2. God has send fishers to bring them back to live in israel.
Then *God* will send hunters to hunt them down,
from holes of the rocks,of which it is happening to
israel today. This is not fishing them to become christians.

3. The second gathering,*God* will bring them back again
into israel (the kingdom) where they will live in peace.

4.This gathering will be done by Jesus, at the coming.
gathering the jews of all generations by Gods choice.

wakeup.

November 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm#361873

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I have to correct my self here.
The first gathering was in 1948.

wakeup.

November 13, 2013 at 6:09 pm#361877

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 11 2013,16:18)

RESTING

Ok what is your question?

Res.

Res

I have read your quote again ,it seem that you agree with me ,that Israel of today as nothing to do with God's plan or will
Am I right

I agree,

Only in the sense that God knows what man tries to do with his promises.

Abraham bought forth Ishmael before Gods promise of Isaac came to be.

Nevertheless God still blessed Ishmael to some degree.

Mankind works by his flesh before God says to them they wasted their effort.

Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

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Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

is this scripture you have in mind

Da 7:27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’
Da 7:28 “This is the end of the matter. I, Daniel, was deeply troubled by my thoughts, and my face turned pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”

or this one

Da 8:26 “The vision of the evenings and mornings that has been given you is true, but seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.”
Da 8:27 I, Daniel, was exhausted and lay ill for several days. Then I got up and went about the king’s business. I was appalled by the vision; it was beyond understanding.

November 13, 2013 at 8:46 pm#361884

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Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 13 2013,22:44)

Quote (Resting @ Nov. 11 2013,16:05)

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Some teach that God is finish with the jews in 70ad.
Lets find out if this is the case,or an error.

Quote

Some will read this,but can *NOT* understand.

In 70ad israel/jews, were punished by having their
corrupt temple destroyed by the Romans.
And for killing their true Messiah.

The gospel has been preached for 37years by then,
by Paul to the gentiles.

There were only seven *established* churches in Asia minor,
and they also are not true followers.(satan already at work).
Jesus has given them warnings through John in revelation
ch.2.3.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in ***Smyrna*** write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them **which say they are Jews**, and are not, **but are the synagogue of Satan**.

Here is a *clue* why Jesus calls them gentiles: *jews*.
He was referring to *spiritual jews*.
They call themselves true worshippers;but they are not.

The seven churches were not all of satan. Jesus is correcting certain persons within the churches.

Quote

Regarding the jews of the flesh Jeremiah16 says:

Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

BUT—- NOTICE WHAT HE SAYS NEXT.

GOD BRINGS THEM BACK FIRST, AND THEN HE WILL SEND FOR MANY *HUNTERS* TO HUNT THEM.
THIS WAS THE RETURN OF THE JEWS IN 1948.
ISRAEL TODAY. THEY ARE HUNTED BY THEIR ENEMIES.

No. The fishers were the fishers of men like Peter and so forth who fish for men. It was no gathering to anywhere but to the Kingdom of God.

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NOW HERE IS ANOTHER BRINGING BACK WITH A BIG DIFFERENCE:

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and *scatter* the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that they **shall no more say**, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

Jeremiah 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROPHETS THAT
TEACHES ERROR.

wakeup.

The hunters who will hunt them from the rocks hiding from the face of Jesus in the 6th seal, are people of the resurrection and angels.

The present gathering of Israel of the flesh, which is hardly Israel of the flesh at all, is a farce, a deception into which most churches of the world are deceived by.—

Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
Deu 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice accord
ing to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
Deu 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

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1.The first gathering happened in 1948.
Israel has not been a nation since babylon;untill 1948.

The nation is a work of mans flesh and should not be attributed to God's working which He said He would do.

The present Israel of the flesh is not even much of that.

You are deceived by the flesh in that. It is the worlds great deception, justifying lying and stealing and murder in Gods name.

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No. The fishers of men are people sent by God with the gospel to bring men to God.

The hunters are to gather the Israelites (new living believers) at Christ's return.

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3. The second gathering,*God* will bring them back again into israel (the kingdom) where they will live in peace.

The first gathering was from Egypt and the second gathering begins at the return of Christ because they believe when they are in the nations, because of the last witness. Deut.30.

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4.This gathering will be done by Jesus, at the coming.
gathering the jews of all generations by Gods choice.

God will not gather any of the generations of Jews of the past to make them into Christians.

All men of faith of the past who have died will be in the first resurrection, together with any living men of faith in the resurrection. Heb.ch 11.

The gathering of mortals who recently believed before Christ returns will begin to be gathered at Christs return.

People who obeyed the message of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will escape Gods wrath of the vials.

There is no gathering by God of any who do not believe and obey Christ, (to some degree) either in the future or from the past in order to convert them in the millennium.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

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November 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm#361885

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Ok what is your question?

Res.

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I have read your quote again ,it seem that you agree with me ,that Israel of today as nothing to do with God's plan or will
Am I right

I agree,

Only in the sense that God knows what man tries to do with his promises.

Abraham bought forth Ishmael before Gods promise of Isaac came to be.

Nevertheless God still blessed Ishmael to some degree.

Mankind works by his flesh before God says to them they wasted their effort.

Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

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Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

is this scripture you have in mind

or this one

Yes,

Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Res.

November 13, 2013 at 9:10 pm#361889

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Ok what is your question?

Res.

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I have read your quote again ,it seem that you agree with me ,that Israel of today as nothing to do with God's plan or will
Am I right

I agree,

Only in the sense that God knows what man tries to do with his promises.

Abraham bought forth Ishmael before Gods promise of Isaac came to be.

Nevertheless God still blessed Ishmael to some degree.

Mankind works by his flesh before God says to them they wasted their effort.

Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

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Another way to look at is that Daniel was distraught when he saw who the beast and false prophet comes out of.

is this scripture you have in mind

or this one

Yes,

Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Res.

November 14, 2013 at 12:18 am#361894

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Some teach that God is finish with the jews in 70ad.
Lets find out if this is the case,or an error.

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Some will read this,but can *NOT* understand.

In 70ad israel/jews, were punished by having their
corrupt temple destroyed by the Romans.
And for killing their true Messiah.

The gospel has been preached for 37years by then,
by Paul to the gentiles.

There were only seven *established* churches in Asia minor,
and they also are not true followers.(satan already at work).
Jesus has given them warnings through John in revelation
ch.2.3.

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in ***Smyrna*** write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them **which say they are Jews**, and are not, **but are the synagogue of Satan**.

Here is a *clue* why Jesus calls them gentiles: *jews*.
He was referring to *spiritual jews*.
They call themselves true worshippers;but they are not.

The seven churches were not all of satan. Jesus is correcting certain persons within the churches.

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Regarding the jews of the flesh Jeremiah16 says:

Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

BUT—- NOTICE WHAT HE SAYS NEXT.

GOD BRINGS THEM BACK FIRST, AND THEN HE WILL SEND FOR MANY *HUNTERS* TO HUNT THEM.
THIS WAS THE RETURN OF THE JEWS IN 1948.
ISRAEL TODAY. THEY ARE HUNTED BY THEIR ENEMIES.

No. The fishers were the fishers of men like Peter and so forth who fish for men. It was no gathering to anywhere but to the Kingdom of God.

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NOW HERE IS ANOTHER BRINGING BACK WITH A BIG DIFFERENCE:

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and *scatter* the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that they **shall no more say**, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

Jeremiah 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROPHETS THAT
TEACHES ERROR.

wakeup.

The hunters who will hunt them from the rocks hiding from the face of Jesus in the 6th seal, are people of the resurrection and angels.

The present gathering of Israel of the flesh, which is hardly Israel of the flesh at all, is a farce, a deception into which most churches of the world are deceived by.—

Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse
, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
Deu 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
Deu 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

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1.The first gathering happened in 1948.
Israel has not been a nation since babylon;untill 1948.

The nation is a work of mans flesh and should not be attributed to God's working which He said He would do.

The present Israel of the flesh is not even much of that.

You are deceived by the flesh in that. It is the worlds great deception, justifying lying and stealing and murder in Gods name.

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No. The fishers of men are people sent by God with the gospel to bring men to God.

The hunters are to gather the Israelites (new living believers) at Christ's return.

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3. The second gathering,*God* will bring them back again into israel (the kingdom) where they will live in peace.

The first gathering was from Egypt and the second gathering begins at the return of Christ because they believe when they are in the nations, because of the last witness. Deut.30.

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4.This gathering will be done by Jesus, at the coming.
gathering the jews of all generations by Gods choice.

God will not gather any of the generations of Jews of the past to make them into Christians.

All men of faith of the past who have died will be in the first resurrection, together with any living men of faith in the resurrection. Heb.ch 11.

The gathering of mortals who recently believed before Christ returns will begin to be gathered at Christs return.

People who obeyed the message of the three angels of Rev.ch 14 will escape Gods wrath of the vials.

There is no gathering by God of any who do not believe and obey Christ, (to some degree) either in the future or from the past in order to convert them in the millennium.

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Resting.

At the second coming only christian saints will be resurrected.
*But there is a bringing back of the jews also*.

***The bringing back by election***.
The reserved; also in Pauls generation there are some *NON* christian jews reserved,for the bringing back.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
**God forbid**.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
*(not speaking of christians here,but physical israel)*

Romans 11:2 **God hath *NOT* cast away his people**

which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Romans 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? ***I have reserved to myself seven thousand men***, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.(NON CHRISTIANS) THOSE 7000MEN WILL BE A SMALL PART
OF THE TOTAL BRINGING BACK.

Romans 11:5 Even so then
**at this present time also**(PAUL'S TIME).
there is a remnant according to the *election of grace*.

Romans 11:6 **And if *by grace*, then is it no more of
works**:
otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath *not obtained* that which he seeketh for; ***but the *election* hath obtained
it***, (THE ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT)
****and the rest were blinded****

*THE ELECTION HATH OBTAINED IT*
AND THE *REST* WERE BLINDED.
NON CHRISTIAN JEWS ARE CHOSEN BY GOD BY ELECTION.
THIS WILL HAPPEN AT THE COMING ALSO.

IF NOT INTERPRETED AS SCRIPTURE SAYS,YOU WILL LEAVE A BIG GAP IN THE PICTURE UNEXPLAINED,AS IT IS TODAY.

wakeup.

November 14, 2013 at 5:32 am#361927

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The Christians are the elect whether from Jew or Gentile.

Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

I have no gap because I follow the scriptures correctly..

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November 14, 2013 at 1:17 pm#361941

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The Christians are the elect whether from Jew or Gentile.

Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.

I have no gap because I follow the scriptures correctly..

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Israel is much more that Jews and it is Israel the elect who will be gathered together which includes all gentile believers.

The election is of the jews only,since the days of Elijah.
there were 7000jews reserved,not gentiles.
In Paul's day also,and of all generation jews.

The *BIG GAP* to be filled by the christian doctrine is:
Isaiah 11; 65; and zech 14.
Flesh; living in the kingdom with no pain,and tears,
and they still die. And this is after the resurrection
at the second coming. ??

For they teach that at the coming all christians will be
resurrected;and the rest cast into the fire.

Jesus said that there will be gnashing of teeth,when christians are found to be left out of the kingdom of God.
Jesus will say to the luke warm christians:
Go away I dont know you.

Christians surviving armageddon also will be *outside* the kingdom. They will be out with the gentiles and taught
by the resurrected saints and by the taught jews.

True christian jews will be resurrected, with all the true christian gentiles.The non christiaan jews will be brought back to their own land,by election.(not all).

Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, **because they were not**.
THESE CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY HEROD,
THEY WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT BACK.

Jeremiah 31:16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
THEY WILL BE REWARDED.
THEY SHALL **COME AGAIN** FROM THE LAND OF THE ENEMY.(THE GRAVE IS THE LAND OF THE ENEMY).

Jeremiah 31:17 And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. THOSE CHILDREN SHALL COME **AGAIN**.
BACK TO LIFE ONCE MORE,LIVING IN THAT SAME PLACE.

Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.
RAMA IS OF THE TRIBE OF EPHRAIM,WHERE THOSE CHILDREN WERE LIVING.

wakeup.

Moses did not bring back israel,because israel was not,
untill God has chosen them to be his people.
The Hebrews in Egypt was NOT brought back.
Isreal was then the land of the canaanites.
So you are wrong here.

November 14, 2013 at 1:59 pm#361943