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Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,08:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,03:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,01:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished:
***for I will call for a sword upon***
***all the inhabitants of the earth***,
saith the LORD of hosts.
**(BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL)**
They were punished when they were taken into Babylonian captivity.
Marty.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,
THE SWORD WILL BEGIN FROM JERUSALEM THEN ALL THE
EARTH. (DID NOT HAPPEN BACK THEN).***for I will call for a sword upon***
*****ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH.*****,
***ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH***Israel is not all the inhabitants of the earth.
wakeup.
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 02 2013,21:35) Hi Pierre: What I said is that the gospel will be preached to them as a nation again. Of course, they will have to believe in order to be saved. The Apostle Paul states that not all of the Nation of Israel are the Israel of God.
This scripture shows that the gospel will be preached to them again as a nation.
Quote
Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
ok,WHO HIS THAT DELIVERER
JESUS CHRIST OR ANOTHER Ro 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN
NOW HIS THIS NUMBER RELATED TO THE 144K OR THE THE FULL AND TOTAL GENTILES THAT HAVE THEIR NAME WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE
TWO DIFFERENT THING RIGHT YEST.
Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN God makes the decision when the preaching should end.
And that would be when christ is coming.
That is when all the believers will be harvested.Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,03:40) T. Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN God makes the decision when the preaching should end.
And that would be when christ is coming.
That is when all the believers will be harvested.Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
wakeup.
wQuote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. so you do not know an thing
right ?yesand you do not answer my other questions ;why
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,10:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
T.You want to know,but you are
doing it the wrong way.
If you are only humble enough,
you can learn so much.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,06:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,10:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
T.You want to know,but you are
doing it the wrong way.
If you are only humble enough,
you can learn so much.wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,06:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,10:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
T.You want to know,but you are
doing it the wrong way.
If you are only humble enough,
you can learn so much.wakeup.
T.Your loss.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,07:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,06:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,10:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
T.You want to know,but you are
doing it the wrong way.
If you are only humble enough,
you can learn so much.wakeup.
T.Your loss.
wakeup.
wif I lose anything that must come from you ,THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU LOST FROM ME ,i have not released but a bare scratch ,
2Jn 1:12 I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.
what was it that John wanted not to write but say to them face to face
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,12:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,07:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,06:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,10:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
T.You want to know,but you are
doing it the wrong way.
If you are only humble enough,
you can learn so much.wakeup.
T.Your loss.
wakeup.
wif I lose anything that must come from you ,THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU LOST FROM ME ,i have not released but a bare scratch ,
2Jn 1:12 I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.
what was it that John wanted not to write but say to them face to face
T.2 John 1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
We will have along talk.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,14:52) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,12:46) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,07:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,11:28) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,06:08) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 04 2013,10:26) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 04 2013,05:19) T. I dont know what you are on about.
wakeup.
w
I say;Quote TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN you say;
Quote God makes the decision when the preaching should end. I say;
Quote so you do not know an thing right ?yesand now you say this ;
Quote I dont know what you are on about. I am puzzled
T.You want to know,but you are
doing it the wrong way.
If you are only humble enough,
you can learn so much.wakeup.
T.Your loss.
wakeup.
wif I lose anything that must come from you ,THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT YOU LOST FROM ME ,i have not released but a bare scratch ,
2Jn 1:12 I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.
what was it that John wanted not to write but say to them face to face
T.2 John 1:12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
We will have along talk.
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 03 2013,12:37) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 02 2013,21:35) Hi Pierre: What I said is that the gospel will be preached to them as a nation again. Of course, they will have to believe in order to be saved. The Apostle Paul states that not all of the Nation of Israel are the Israel of God.
This scripture shows that the gospel will be preached to them again as a nation.
Quote
Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
ok,WHO HIS THAT DELIVERER
JESUS CHRIST OR ANOTHER Ro 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
TELL ME WHEN IS IT THAT THE FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES HAS COME IN
NOW HIS THIS NUMBER RELATED TO THE 144K OR THE THE FULL AND TOTAL GENTILES THAT HAVE THEIR NAME WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE
TWO DIFFERENT THING RIGHT YES
Hi Pierre:Zion is another name for Jerusalem, and the word Jerusalem means “teaching of peace” and so, the Jerusalem that is teaching peace, specifically peace with God through the Lord Jesus, is the church, New Jerusalem.
And so, the deliverer will come from the church, but who specifically, I do not know. It will be whomever God sends to preach the gospel to the Jews. It could be one person or many who are sent.
I do not know when the full number of gentiles will come in. The scripture states that the gospel will be preached to all nations and then the end will come.
The scriptures state that the 144,000 are virgins and I believe that means that they have not committed spiritual fornication by being defiled through false doctrines, and so, since they will be teaching the Word of God in truth, it may be related in that perhaps the church will be brought to maturity through them, but this is speculation. I do not know.
Yes, I do believe that the “fullness of the gentiles” and the scriptures relative to the 144,000 are two different things.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,08:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,03:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,01:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished:
***for I will call for a sword upon***
***all the inhabitants of the earth***,
saith the LORD of hosts.
**(BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL)**
They were punished when they were taken into Babylonian captivity.
Marty.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,
THE SWORD WILL BEGIN FROM JERUSALEM THEN ALL THE
EARTH. (DID NOT HAPPEN BACK THEN).***for I will call for a sword upon***
*****ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH.*****,
***ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH***Israel is not all the inhabitants of the earth.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:By the inhabitants of the earth God is speaking to the following:
Quote
Jer 27:1In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 27:2
Thus saith the LORD to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,
Jer 27:3
And send them to the king of Edom, and to the king of Moab, and to the king of the Ammonites, and to the king of Tyrus, and to the king of Zidon, by the hand of the messengers which come to Jerusalem unto Zedekiah king of Judah
Jer 27:4
And command them to say unto their masters, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters;
Jer 27:5
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
Jer 27:6
And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
Jer 27:7
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.
Jer 27:8
And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.
He also punished the northern kingdom, Israel, through Assyria.
And so, he used Assyria and Babylonia to punish the nations for their disobedience and then he judged and punished Babylonia and Assyria because of their arrogance.
But He also humbled Nebuchadnazzar in making him like a beast of the field until 7 years past and until he acknowledged who God was.
Quote
Jer 50:17Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.
Jer 50:18
Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty
Ro 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.so being part of the elect ones is not a given deal,
Quote Zion is another name for Jerusalem, and the word Jerusalem means “teaching of peace” and so, the Jerusalem that is teaching peace, specifically peace with God through the Lord Jesus, is the church, New Jerusalem. yes Zion ,is the church on which Christ his the head of ,and it is in heaven ,it is also called the CITY OF GOD ,and are composted of 144000 redeemed humans from the earth, and they will be the light of GOD on earth ,and yes they are ;
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.they are those that have made God and Christ their real master ,and only serve them and no one else by any mains
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.when do you think this was written
Isa 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion,
to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,”
declares the LORD.
Isa 59:21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the LORD. “My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever,” says the LORD.Isa 27:7 Has the LORD struck her
as he struck down those who struck her?
Has she been killed
as those were killed who killed her?
Isa 27:8 By warfare and exile you contend with her—
with his fierce blast he drives her out,
as on a day the east wind blows.
Isa 27:9 By this, then, will Jacob’s guilt be atoned for,
and this will be the full fruitage of the removal of his sin:Jer 31:33 “This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Jer 31:34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the LORD.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
Jer 31:35 This is what the LORD says,so what Paul says is not bring in another DELIVERER but the one that he knew add com JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD,; because Jesus Christ his the fulfilment of the LAW AND PROPHETES ,
Hi Pierre:
You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11:
Quote so what Paul says is not bring in another DELIVERER but the one that he knew add com JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD,; because Jesus Christ his the fulfilment of the LAW AND PROPHETES , Is Jesus personally present in the earth today?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Nov. 10 2013,04:26) Hi Pierre: You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11:
Quote so what Paul says is not bring in another DELIVERER but the one that he knew add com JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD,; because Jesus Christ his the fulfilment of the LAW AND PROPHETES , Is Jesus personally present in the earth today?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyto your question ;
Quote Is Jesus personally present in the earth today? my answer is NO,
because he is sitting on the right hand of God his father ,
but his army of angels are always busy around the earth
Quote You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11: if you read the context that is what it is ,
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 10 2013,09:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,08:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,03:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,01:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished:
***for I will call for a sword upon***
***all the inhabitants of the earth***,
saith the LORD of hosts.
**(BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL)**
They were punished when they were taken into Babylonian captivity.
Marty.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,
THE SWORD WILL BEGIN FROM JERUSALEM THEN ALL THE
EARTH. (DID NOT HAPPEN BACK THEN).***for I will call for a sword upon***
*****ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH.*****,
***ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH***Israel is not all the inhabitants of the earth.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:By the inhabitants of the earth God is speaking to the following:
Quote
Jer 27:1In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 27:2
Thus saith the LORD to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,
Jer 27:3
And send them to the king of Edom, and to the king of Moab, and to the king of the Ammonites, and to the king of Tyrus, and to the king of Zidon, by the hand of the messengers which come to Jerusalem unto Zedekiah king of Judah
Jer 27:4
And command them to say unto their masters, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters;
Jer 27:5
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
Jer 27:6
And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
Jer 27:7
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.
Jer 27:8
And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.
He also punished the northern kingdom, Israel, through Assyria.
And so, he used Assyria and Babylonia to punish the nations for their disobedience and then he judged and punished Babylonia and Assyria because of their arrogance.
But He also humbled Nebuchadnazzar in making him like a beast of the field until 7 years past and until he acknowledged who God was.
Quote
Jer 50:17Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.
Jer 50:18
Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Good scriptures, but you failed to decern,between
babylon then; and babylon today.
The kings today are also serving the king of babylon.
His name is satan. You need to read jer.25 also.
to understand.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 10 2013,20:06) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 10 2013,09:07) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,10:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,08:55) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,03:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,01:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished:
***for I will call for a sword upon***
***all the inhabitants of the earth***,
saith the LORD of hosts.
**(BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL)**
They were punished when they were taken into Babylonian captivity.
Marty.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,
THE SWORD WILL BEGIN FROM JERUSALEM THEN ALL THE
EARTH. (DID NOT HAPPEN BACK THEN).***for I will call for a sword upon***
*****ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH.*****,
***ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH***Israel is not all the inhabitants of the earth.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:By the inhabitants of the earth God is speaking to the following:
Quote
Jer 27:1In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
Jer 27:2
Thus saith the LORD to me; Make thee bonds and yokes, and put them upon thy neck,
Jer 27:3
And send them to the king of Edom, and to the king of Moab, and to the king of the Ammonites, and to the king of Tyrus, and to the king of Zidon, by the hand of the messengers which come to Jerusalem unto Zedekiah king of Judah
Jer 27:4
And command them to say unto their masters, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Thus shall ye say unto your masters;
Jer 27:5
I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.
Jer 27:6
And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.
Jer 27:7
And all nations shall serve him, and his son, and his son's son, until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him.
Jer 27:8
And it shall come to pass, that the nation and kingdom which will not serve the same Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, and that will not put their neck under the yoke of the king of Babylon, that nation will I punish, saith the LORD, with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence, until I have consumed them by his hand.
He also punished the northern kingdom, Israel, through Assyria.
And so, he used Assyria and Babylonia to punish the nations for their disobedience and then he judged and punished Babylonia and Assyria because of their arrogance.
But He also humbled Nebuchadnazzar in making him like a beast of the field until 7 years past and until he acknowledged who God was.
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Jer 50:17Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.
Jer 50:18
Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will punish the king of Babylon and his land, as I have punished the king of Assyria.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.Good scriptures, but you failed to decern,between
babylon then; and babylon today.
The kings today are also serving the king of babylon.
His name is satan. You need to read jer.25 also.
to understand.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup:This is what Jesus stated relative to judgment in the NT.
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Jhn 12:47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Jhn 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
What you are reading in the OT from Jeremiah 25 relates to the Judgment of those nations named, including Israel, and Judah.
It is true that judgment is coming for all of the unsaved, and the Babylonian whore.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (terraricca @ Nov. 10 2013,10:07) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 10 2013,04:26) Hi Pierre: You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11:
Quote so what Paul says is not bring in another DELIVERER but the one that he knew add com JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD,; because Jesus Christ his the fulfilment of the LAW AND PROPHETES , Is Jesus personally present in the earth today?
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyto your question ;
Quote Is Jesus personally present in the earth today? my answer is NO,
because he is sitting on the right hand of God his father ,
but his army of angels are always busy around the earth
Quote You say relative to the deliverer referenced in Romans 11: if you read the context that is what it is ,
Hi Pierre:The point is that Jesus came as a deliverer to Jacob in his ministry on earth, and to all that come to God through him from his ministry until his coming for the church, but the deliverer that will be sent to the Jews in this last day will come from the church and will be sent by the Lord, since he is not personally here on earth today, but we the church are his hands and feet.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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