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Some teach that God is finish with the jews in 70ad.
Lets find out if this is the case,or an error.
Some will read this,but can *NOT* understand.In 70ad israel/jews, were punished by having their
corrupt temple destroyed by the Romans.
And for killing their true Messiah.The gospel has been preached for 37years by then,
by Paul to the gentiles.There were only seven *established* churches in Asia minor,
and they also are not true followers.(satan already at work).
Jesus has given them warnings through John in revelation
ch.2.3.Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in ***Smyrna*** write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them **which say they are Jews**, and are not, **but are the synagogue of Satan**.
Here is a *clue* why Jesus calls them gentiles: *jews*.
He was referring to *spiritual jews*.
They call themselves true worshippers;but they are not.Regarding the jews of the flesh Jeremiah16 says:
Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 16:15 *But*, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and **I will bring them again** into *their land* that I gave unto their fathers.
BUT—- NOTICE WHAT HE SAYS NEXT.
Jeremiah 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; ***and after will I send for many hunters****, and they shall **hunt them** from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.THE FISHERS ARE TO ENTICE THEM TO COME BACK
TO ISRAEL.GOD BRINGS THEM BACK FIRST, AND THEN HE WILL SEND FOR MANY *HUNTERS* TO HUNT THEM.
THIS WAS THE RETURN OF THE JEWS IN 1948.
ISRAEL TODAY. THEY ARE HUNTED BY THEIR ENEMIES.NOW HERE IS ANOTHER BRINGING BACK WITH A BIG DIFFERENCE:
Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and *scatter* the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel *against the pastors* that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the *evil* of your doings, saith the LORD.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PASTORS THAT DO THE SCATTERING OF HIS FLOCK. CAUSING CONFUSION,AND DIVISIONS.Jeremiah 23:3 And **I will *gather* the remnant of my flock** out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will **bring them again** to their folds; and ***they shall be fruitful and increase***.
THEY SHALL BE FRUITFULL AND INCREASE THIS TIME.
NOTE THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE *FIST* BRINGING BACK
IN JER.16.Jeremiah 23:4 And I will *set up shepherds* over them which shall feed them: and **they shall fear no more**, nor be dismayed, **neither shall they be lacking**, saith the LORD.
NOTE: NO MORE FEAR/ NO MORE LACKING.
SET UP TRUE SHEPHERDS; NOT CORRUPT SHEPHERDS.Jeremiah 23:5 ** Behold, the days come**, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto **David a righteous Branch**, and a **King shall reign, and prosper**, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
THE RIGHTEOUS KING SHALL REIGN,AND PROSPER.
THIS WILL BE WHEN THE JEWS WILL BE BROUGH BACK
BY CHOICE THE *SECOND TIME* IN THE THOUSAND YEAR REIGN.(JEWS OF ALL GENERATIONS).
THIS IS WHEN THE NATURAL OLIVE BRANCHES WILL BE GRAFTED BACK ON TO THE TREE.THIS IS WHERE ISAIAH 11 AND 65 COMES IN.Jeremiah 23:6 **In his days Judah shall be saved**, and **Israel shall dwell safely**: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, **THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS**.
JUDAH SHALL BE SAVED; AND LIVE IN SAFETY.(ZECH.14;11).
JESUS WILL BE THEIR KING.NO MORE PAIN AND SUFFERING,
NO MORE TEARS. SWORDS TURNED INTO PLOWSHARES,
SPEARS INTO PRUNINGHOOKS,LION EATS STRAW.
ISAIAH CH.11 AND CH.65.Jeremiah 23:7 Therefore, behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that they **shall no more say**, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jeremiah 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
THEY SHALL DWELL IN THEIR OWN LAND IN SAFETY.
NO MORE HUNTERS TO HUNT THEM.Jeremiah 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets.
GOD IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROPHETS THAT
TEACHES ERROR.I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN JER.16 AND JER.23.
GOD IS NOT FINISHED WITH THE JEWS SINCE 70AD.
IN THE KINGDOM THE JEWS WILL BE *GRAFTED BACK* ON TO JESUS,BY TEACHING THEM THE GOSPELS.
AND THE RESURRECTED SAINTS WILL BE THEIR TEACHERS.wakeup.
Can you not see that God's true righteous people are not just Jews? Some are, but most are Christians who have put their trust in the Lord Jesus and keep His commandments.
Ephesians 2:1-18 makes this crystal clear.
There will be 12,000 from the tribe of Judah, but the rest of the 144,000 are still scattered around the world, plus the grafted in Gentiles, awaiting the clearance of the holy Land and their gathering, as you point out in Jer. 16.
Wait for the Day! Very soon to happen now.Quote (keras @ Oct. 04 2013,18:21) Can you not see that God's true righteous people are not just Jews? Some are, but most are Christians who have put their trust in the Lord Jesus and keep His commandments.
Ephesians 2:1-18 makes this crystal clear.
There will be 12,000 from the tribe of Judah, but the rest of the 144,000 are still scattered around the world, plus the grafted in Gentiles, awaiting the clearance of the holy Land and their gathering, as you point out in Jer. 16.
Wait for the Day! Very soon to happen now.
Keras.I agree, except it is possible that the 12000 are of the other tribes,and the rest of the tribe of Judah.
Because the true christians are of the tribe of Christ.
Wich is Judah.wakeup.
W
YOU CAN SEE YOUR OPINIONS UPON OPINIONS MAN MADE STORIES ,BUT NO TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES ,JUST “BUT'”BUT”
A REAL WASTE OF TIME
SO GOOD BY ,BY,BY
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 31 2013,02:33) W YOU CAN SEE YOUR OPINIONS UPON OPINIONS MAN MADE STORIES ,BUT NO TRUTH IN SCRIPTURES ,JUST “BUT'”BUT”
A REAL WASTE OF TIME
SO GOOD BY ,BY,BY
Terra.Do you know that christians are spiritual jews,
of the tribe of judah?
And non christian jews are israel?wakeup.
Hi:
The nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 because of the role it will play in these end time events, but also, so that the gospel can be preached to them again as a nation. Of course, God has never been finished with the Jews or anyone for that matter. If they believe the gospel at any point from the time of the ministry of Jesus on earth until he comes for the church, they will be saved just like anyone else.
The gospel is to be preached to every creature. It was preached to the Jews first and then to the gentiles, and now it will be preached to the Jews again.
But the nation of Israel represents the tribe of Judah. The nation of Israel was split after Solomon's disobedience in the rule of his son into the 10 northern tribes called Israel, and the southern kingdom Judah, with the tribes of Benjamin and Judah.
The 10 northern tribes are called the lost tribes of the nation of Israel, but the Israel of God are those who will be saved trough gospel. There is only one body of Christ.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2013,23:26) Hi: The nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 because of the role it will play in these end time events, but also, so that the gospel can be preached to them again as a nation. Of course, God has never been finished with the Jews or anyone for that matter. If they believe the gospel at any point from the time of the ministry of Jesus on earth until he comes for the church, they will be saved just like anyone else.
The gospel is to be preached to every creature. It was preached to the Jews first and then to the gentiles, and now it will be preached to the Jews again.
But the nation of Israel represents the tribe of Judah. The nation of Israel was split after Solomon's disobedience in the rule of his son into the 10 northern tribes called Israel, and the southern kingdom Judah, with the tribes of Benjamin and Judah.
The 10 northern tribes are called the lost tribes of the nation of Israel, but the Israel of God are those who will be saved trough gospel. There is only one body of Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyif only you can produce scriptures for all you say,in regard to Israel 1948
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,04:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2013,23:26) Hi: The nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 because of the role it will play in these end time events, but also, so that the gospel can be preached to them again as a nation. Of course, God has never been finished with the Jews or anyone for that matter. If they believe the gospel at any point from the time of the ministry of Jesus on earth until he comes for the church, they will be saved just like anyone else.
The gospel is to be preached to every creature. It was preached to the Jews first and then to the gentiles, and now it will be preached to the Jews again.
But the nation of Israel represents the tribe of Judah. The nation of Israel was split after Solomon's disobedience in the rule of his son into the 10 northern tribes called Israel, and the southern kingdom Judah, with the tribes of Benjamin and Judah.
The 10 northern tribes are called the lost tribes of the nation of Israel, but the Israel of God are those who will be saved trough gospel. There is only one body of Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyif only you can produce scriptures for all you say,in regard to Israel 1948
One thing at a time, first of all do you need scripture to know that Israel exists as a nation since 1948 or is that a fact?Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Nov. 02 2013,03:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,04:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2013,23:26) Hi: The nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 because of the role it will play in these end time events, but also, so that the gospel can be preached to them again as a nation. Of course, God has never been finished with the Jews or anyone for that matter. If they believe the gospel at any point from the time of the ministry of Jesus on earth until he comes for the church, they will be saved just like anyone else.
The gospel is to be preached to every creature. It was preached to the Jews first and then to the gentiles, and now it will be preached to the Jews again.
But the nation of Israel represents the tribe of Judah. The nation of Israel was split after Solomon's disobedience in the rule of his son into the 10 northern tribes called Israel, and the southern kingdom Judah, with the tribes of Benjamin and Judah.
The 10 northern tribes are called the lost tribes of the nation of Israel, but the Israel of God are those who will be saved trough gospel. There is only one body of Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyif only you can produce scriptures for all you say,in regard to Israel 1948
One thing at a time, first of all do you need scripture to know that Israel exists as a nation since 1948 or is that a fact?Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyhow could anyone deny that ; but go on
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,08:40) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 02 2013,03:34) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,04:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 01 2013,23:26) Hi: The nation of Israel exists as a nation again since 1948 because of the role it will play in these end time events, but also, so that the gospel can be preached to them again as a nation. Of course, God has never been finished with the Jews or anyone for that matter. If they believe the gospel at any point from the time of the ministry of Jesus on earth until he comes for the church, they will be saved just like anyone else.
The gospel is to be preached to every creature. It was preached to the Jews first and then to the gentiles, and now it will be preached to the Jews again.
But the nation of Israel represents the tribe of Judah. The nation of Israel was split after Solomon's disobedience in the rule of his son into the 10 northern tribes called Israel, and the southern kingdom Judah, with the tribes of Benjamin and Judah.
The 10 northern tribes are called the lost tribes of the nation of Israel, but the Israel of God are those who will be saved trough gospel. There is only one body of Christ.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyif only you can produce scriptures for all you say,in regard to Israel 1948
One thing at a time, first of all do you need scripture to know that Israel exists as a nation since 1948 or is that a fact?Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyhow could anyone deny that ; but go on
The nation of Israel ceased to be a nation shortly after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD by Titus, and although some of these Jews were saved when the gospel was preached to them as a nation, there were many who rejected the gospel and the scriptures state the following:When the Apostle Paul had preached the gospel to them and they rejected, the gospel went to the gentile nations.
Quote Act 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
The following scriptures show that although they were cut off because unbelief, that they can be grafted in to the body of Christ if they now will believe and it shows that the gospel will go forth to them again.
Quote Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I sh
all take away their sins.Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Rom 11:30
For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
And so, this is part of what I have stated relative to them existing as a nation again, so, let me know what else you want me to explain to you.
Love in Christ,
MartyMarty.
1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
Marty
Quote Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
all those scriptures are referring to the believers in Christ no one else ;now you're verse Rom 11;28 is related to the elect ones those are the 144000 sealed for Christ and so are hand picked first out of the Jews then later some out of the gentiles to complete their number
I HONESTLY DO NOT SEE ANYONE FROM ISRAEL OF 1948 AND TODAY '
LIKE I SAID BEFORE ;WHY WOULD GOD USE A NATION THAT IS NOT A TRUE WORSHIPER NOR A TRUE BELIEVER ,THEY HAVE LONG AGO REJECT GOD AND THEY STILL REJECT GOD TODAY ;SHOW A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT GOD WILL USE THE INFIDEL ISRAEL OF TODAY
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,13:55) Marty Quote Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
all those scriptures are referring to the believers in Christ no one else ;now you're verse Rom 11;28 is related to the elect ones those are the 144000 sealed for Christ and so are hand picked first out of the Jews then later some out of the gentiles to complete their number
I HONESTLY DO NOT SEE ANYONE FROM ISRAEL OF 1948 AND TODAY '
LIKE I SAID BEFORE ;WHY WOULD GOD USE A NATION THAT IS NOT A TRUE WORSHIPER NOR A TRUE BELIEVER ,THEY HAVE LONG AGO REJECT GOD AND THEY STILL REJECT GOD TODAY ;SHOW A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT GOD WILL USE THE INFIDEL ISRAEL OF TODAY
T.I am tired of baby sitting you.
Jeremiah 23:3 ***And I will gather the remnant*** of my flock out of ***all countries*** whither I have driven them, and ***will bring them *again*** to their folds; and they ***shall be *fruitful* and increase***.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, ***and a King shall reign and prosper***, and shall execute judgment and ***justice in the earth***.
Jeremiah 23:6 ***In his days*** Judah ***shall be saved***, and ***Israel shall dwell safely***: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, ***THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS***.
Read it at least 3x. maybe we have some progress.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,09:58) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,13:55) Marty Quote Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
all those scriptures are referring to the believers in Christ no one else ;now you're verse Rom 11;28 is related to the elect ones those are the 144000 sealed for Christ and so are hand picked first out of the Jews then later some out of the gentiles to complete their number
I HONESTLY DO NOT SEE ANYONE FROM ISRAEL OF 1948 AND TODAY '
LIKE I SAID BEFORE ;WHY WOULD GOD USE A NATION THAT IS NOT A TRUE WORSHIPER NOR A TRUE BELIEVER ,THEY HAVE LONG AGO REJECT GOD AND THEY STILL REJECT GOD TODAY ;SHOW A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT GOD WILL USE THE INFIDEL ISRAEL OF TODAY
T.I am tired of baby sitting you.
Jeremiah 23:3 ***And I will gather the remnant*** of my flock out of ***all countries*** whither I have driven them, and ***will bring them *again*** to their folds; and they ***shall be *fruitful* and increase***.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, ***and a King shall reign and prosper***, and shall execute judgment and ***justice in the earth***.
Jeremiah 23:6 ***In his days*** Judah ***shall be saved***, and ***Israel shall dwell safely***: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, ***THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS***.
Read it at least 3x. maybe we have some progress.
wakeup.
WTHOSE SCRIPTURES ARE IN REFFERENCE OF THE TIME OF CHRIST AND HIS PREACHING TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL LOST SHEEP
MT 10:6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
MT 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,15:10) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,09:58) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 02 2013,13:55) Marty Quote Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
all those scriptures are referring to the believers in Christ no one else ;now you're verse Rom 11;28 is related to the elect ones those are the 144000 sealed for Christ and so are hand picked first out of the Jews then later some out of the gentiles to complete their number
I HONESTLY DO NOT SEE ANYONE FROM ISRAEL OF 1948 AND TODAY '
LIKE I SAID BEFORE ;WHY WOULD GOD USE A NATION THAT IS NOT A TRUE WORSHIPER NOR A TRUE BELIEVER ,THEY HAVE LONG AGO REJECT GOD AND THEY STILL REJECT GOD TODAY ;SHOW A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THAT GOD WILL USE THE INFIDEL ISRAEL OF TODAY
T.I am tired of baby sitting you.
Jeremiah 23:3 ***And I will gather the remnant*** of my flock out of ***all countries*** whither I have driven them, and ***will bring them *again*** to their folds; and they ***shall be *fruitful* and increase***.
Jeremiah 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, **the days come**, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, ***and a King shall reign and prosper***, and shall execute judgment and ***justice in the earth***.
Jeremiah 23:6 ***In his days*** Judah ***shall be saved***, and ***Israel shall dwell safely***: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, ***THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS***.
Read it at least 3x. maybe we have some progress.
wakeup.
WTHOSE SCRIPTURES ARE IN REFFERENCE OF THE TIME OF CHRIST AND HIS PREACHING TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL LOST SHEEP
MT 10:6 but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
MT 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
T.Jeremiah 23:6 ***In his days*** Judah ***shall be
saved***,and ***Israel shall dwell safely***:
and this is his name whereby he shall be called,
***THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS***.(israel shall dwell safely)
Is this past or future???wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Pierre:
What I said is that the gospel will be preached to them as a nation again. Of course, they will have to believe in order to be saved. The Apostle Paul states that not all of the Nation of Israel are the Israel of God.
This scripture shows that the gospel will be preached to them again as a nation.
Quote
Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,01:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished:
***for I will call for a sword upon***
***all the inhabitants of the earth***,
saith the LORD of hosts.
**(BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL)**Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 03 2013,03:59) Quote (942767 @ Nov. 03 2013,01:22) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 02 2013,13:13) Marty. 1948 was just the first gathering of the jews.
This gathering is for the purpose to punish
them.Jeremiah 25:29 *** For, lo, I BEGIN* to bring evil on the city
which is called by my name***,and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
**BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL**The second gathering will be in the 1000yrs.
This is when they will be grafted back on to Christ.wakeup.
No, I don't agree that they have been brought back to Israel to punish them.The scripture that you quote from Jeremiah relates to the Babylonian captivity.
But Zechariah 14 states that God will gather all nations against Israel, but then God will intervene and punish those nations which come against them.
Many Jews are coming into the faith in these latter days, and many more will come when we stop preaching false doctrines such as the trinity.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty.and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished:
***for I will call for a sword upon***
***all the inhabitants of the earth***,
saith the LORD of hosts.
**(BEGINNING WITH ISRAEL)**
They were punished when they were taken into Babylonian captivity.
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