God in the flesh

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 20 2007,23:35)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 20 2007,20:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 20 2007,19:38) Hi kenrch, Scripture does not say Jesus is appointed a god. Certainly he acts as God and works in the authority of the in the name of the Father. He is at the right hand of God and will sit on the THRONE[not thrown] of David. NH You dont miss anything! Correctiong the mans spelling! LOL. You are too much! Yes because that's the only thing he can correct. LOL! What does the scriptuire say Nick?  Please correct the scripture according to the spirit of Nick who just had to do or say something. Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, *thy God, hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. WJ you think Nick is too much?  Too much what?

kenrch

LOL!

Dont know what.

Sometimes I think he is from another planet!

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
You say
“What does the scriptuire say Nick? Please correct the scripture according to the spirit of Nick who just had to do or say something.

Heb 1:8 but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, *thy God, hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”

Did I miss something?
Do these verses speak of a new God being appointed?

[Cult Buster]

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

The phrase “O God” is a worshipful phrase indicating the reverence each Person of the Godhead have one for another. Each recognises the other as their God.

Heb 10:7  Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 21 2007,09:05)

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. The phrase “O God” is a worshipful phrase indicating the reverence each Person of the Godhead have one for another. Each recognises the other as their God. Heb 10:7  Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hi CB,
Do they have turns or do each have an appointed deity to worship?

Builiding on sand produces some strange structures.

Stuff like this would make most trinitarians worth their salt hide in embarrassment.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,02:15)

Hi kenrch, You say “What does the scriptuire say Nick?  Please correct the scripture according to the spirit of Nick who just had to do or say something. Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, *thy God, hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Did I miss something? Do these verses speak of a new God being appointed?

OH Yeah you right Jesus was always first born from the dead. Their always was a “NEW CREATION” The Father always had BORN children. Jesus being ALWAYS GOD OF AN ALREADY BORN AGAIN NEW CREATION. Gee that means Jesus was always GOD! Jesus always had a THRONE before Adam was even created! In fact Jesus was the second Adam before the first Adam LOL!

Heb 1:8 but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

***Heb 1:2 hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, *whom he APPOINTED HEIR of all things*, through whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 1:3 who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, *when he had made purification of sins*, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

When did Jesus sit down on the right side of the Father?

OH but wait according to Nick Jesus was Always GOD of a NEW Creation that did not even exist yet.

Col 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the *kingdom of the Son* of his love;

Jesus always had a kingdom?

So lets see God did not anoint Jesus God of a New Creation. So therefore Jesus always was God of a “new Creation”. That being the case then there really is a Trinity. Jesus always being GOD!

WJ was right you are TOO much, but too much what? I say too much of yourself.

[kenrch]

Quote (Cult Buster @ Mar. 21 2007,09:05)

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. The phrase “O God” is a worshipful phrase indicating the reverence each Person of the Godhead have one for another. Each recognises the other as their God. Heb 10:7  Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

CB,

Oh ok I see what you are saying but I don't understand what that has to do with the fact that Jesus has a God?

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Heb 1:8 but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

What kingdom is the Father speaking of “thy kingdom”.

IHL,

Ken

[NickHassan]

Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 21 2007,14:02)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,02:15) Hi kenrch, You say “What does the scriptuire say Nick?  Please correct the scripture according to the spirit of Nick who just had to do or say something. Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, *thy God, hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Did I miss something? Do these verses speak of a new God being appointed? OH Yeah you right Jesus was always first born from the dead.  Their always was a “NEW CREATION” The Father always had BORN children. Jesus being ALWAYS GOD OF AN ALREADY BORN AGAIN NEW CREATION.  Gee that means Jesus was always GOD!  Jesus always had a THRONE before Adam was even created!  In fact Jesus was the second Adam before the first Adam LOL! Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. ***Heb 1:2  hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, *whom he APPOINTED HEIR of all things*, through whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3  who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, *when he had made purification of sins*, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; When did Jesus sit down on the right side of the Father? OH but wait according to Nick Jesus was Always GOD of a NEW Creation that did not even exist yet. Col 1:13  who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the *kingdom of the Son* of his love; Jesus always had a kingdom?   So lets see God did not anoint Jesus God of a New Creation. So therefore Jesus always was God of a “new Creation”.  That being the case then there really is a Trinity.  Jesus always being GOD! WJ was right you are TOO much, but too much what?  I say too much of yourself.

Hi kenrch,
Indeed Jesus has been appointed and anointed as King of kings. Kings rule kingdoms.
That has nothing to do with being appointed or anointed as a god does it?
Gods are not anointed or appointed as such.

Even men and angels and satan are CALLED gods in scripture.
That does not make them our gods as for us there is one true God.

For us all other gods are false gods.
That makes no statement about them but about us.
We should not worship any other deities but our  Father God.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,19:44)

Quote (kenrch @ Mar. 21 2007,14:02) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,02:15) Hi kenrch, You say “What does the scriptuire say Nick?  Please correct the scripture according to the spirit of Nick who just had to do or say something. Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, *thy God, hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Did I miss something? Do these verses speak of a new God being appointed? OH Yeah you right Jesus was always first born from the dead.  Their always was a “NEW CREATION” The Father always had BORN children. Jesus being ALWAYS GOD OF AN ALREADY BORN AGAIN NEW CREATION.  Gee that means Jesus was always GOD!  Jesus always had a THRONE before Adam was even created!  In fact Jesus was the second Adam before the first Adam LOL! Heb 1:8  but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows. ***Heb 1:2  hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, *whom he APPOINTED HEIR of all things*, through whom also he made the worlds; Heb 1:3  who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, and upholding all things by the word of his power, *when he had made purification of sins*, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; When did Jesus sit down on the right side of the Father? OH but wait according to Nick Jesus was Always GOD of a NEW Creation that did not even exist yet. Col 1:13  who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the *kingdom of the Son* of his love; Jesus always had a kingdom?   So lets see God did not anoint Jesus God of a New Creation. So therefore Jesus always was God of a “new Creation”.  That being the case then there really is a Trinity.  Jesus always being GOD! WJ was right you are TOO much, but too much what?  I say too much of yourself. Hi kenrch, Indeed Jesus has been appointed and anointed as King of kings. Kings rule kingdoms. That has nothing to do with being appointed or anointed as a god does it? Gods are not anointed or appointed as such. Even men and angels and satan are CALLED gods in scripture. That does not make them our gods as for us there is one true God. For us all other gods are false gods. That makes no statement about them but about us. We should not worship any other deities but our  Father God.

Oh Ok so Jesus is a little “g” and not a big “G”. Like god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4). That explains everything LOL!

Heb 1:8 but of the Son he saith, *Thy throne, O [god]God, is for ever and ever*; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore [god]God, *thy God,(wait is this God a little g or a big G) hath anointed thee* With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”

UMMMMM What about it Nick is the last God a big G or should we change the Father to a small g also LOL!

Would you like to change this scripture also?

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Now is this God with a little g also?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
Scripture does not put in little gs or big Gs.
They come from men.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,23:18)

Hi kenrch, Scripture does not put in little gs or big Gs. They come from men.

So it's my lord and my god.

G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: – X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].

Hebrews 1:8,9 is the same definition. But that doesn't matter does it Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
The truth remains.
It is men that put in the capitals.

[david]

Here's an interesting page on Heb 1:8:

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/newworldtranslation/hebrews1.8.htm

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 21 2007,23:44)

Hi kenrch, The truth remains. It is men that put in the capitals.

Yes Nick the truth always prevails

So what about the definition of this word even if it “could” be a small G.  

G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: – X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].

Heb 1:8  But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9  You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

The Son he says “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, is forever”

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

“my lord and my god” God here is the same definition~deity~!

If God should be a small G then this small G has a “throne”.  And the definition has it as Deity.
What Nick says it is or means doesn't matter to me.  It's scripture that matters not all this squabble about how big a letter should be.

1Ti 6:4  he is puffed up, knowing nothing, but doting about questionings and disputes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

1Co 2:14  Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
I am not saying they should not be big or small
but showing that the size of the letter did not come from the manuscripts.

[kenrch]

Hi kenrch,
Scripture does not put in little gs or big Gs.
They come from men.
*”Scripture does not put in little gs or big Gs”. *So what kind of “g” did they put? Is their another size?

Hi kenrch,
The truth remains.
It is men that put in the capitals
*Given the fact that the definition means Deity should they have put a small “g” showing a false god?

Hi kenrch,
I am not saying they should not be big or small
but showing that the size of the letter did not come from the manuscripts
* So what size g (if there was a g) were in the original manuscripts. Just what are you saying about these scriptures Nick? Are you saying that the Gs in these scriptures should not be capitals?

*So what about the definition of this word even if the original was a small “G” doesn't GOD deserve a capital? Doesn't Jesus deserve a capital?

G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: – X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

What size “G” should be here? Small, large [or in between??]
The Son he says “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, is forever”

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him,” My Lord and my God”.
God here is the same definition as in all the above scriptures~deity~!

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
No . Not at all. Just showing that you cannot draw scriptural conclusions and teach from the size of the letters.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,22:14)

Hi kenrch, No . Not at all. Just showing that you cannot draw scriptural conclusions and teach from the size of the letters.

Who did that????

Where did you get that idea???

I went by WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAID and even quoted it, and gave the definition!

I believe you have caught your tail LOL! Maybe you should let go!!

[NickHassan]

glad to have cleared that up.

[kenrch]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2007,22:29)

glad to have cleared that up.

Yea I'm glad that you cleared that up in your head!

Now what about the scriptuires? Oh gee I misspelled scriptures! Sorry!

G2316
θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: – X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

What size “G” should be here?  Small, large [or in between??]
The Son he says “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, is forever”

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered and said unto him,” My Lord and my God”.
God here is the same definition as in all the above scriptures~deity~

What do you think those scriptures are saying?

[NickHassan]

Hi kenrch,
What do you think?

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